Help with Security Cameras!

bX510

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I have asked this question before, but I have more to ask.

So this is what I want to setup. I want 2-3 wireless cameras where I can hook up to a computer and store 1 month worth of videos. How much space would this use? What cameras should I get that would do good in all conditions (night, rain, day, fog)? Since it's wireless, would it lose connection? Does anyone know how much energy will cameras use? Is there a way to turn it on after a certain time?

It's quite complex, but I hope there are solutions.
 

bruceb

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I would suggest at least 2 500GB or larger hard drives, split into partitions for each camera. You want cameras that can use Low Light, Normal Light and Night capability. As to it's losing a wireless connection, possible depending on distance. And if you are using them to provide store or premises security I would run a cable to them. A wireless connection can be jammed or a phony image sent to the computer instead of the real one.
If you want to turn it on after a specific time of day, just a plain power timer can do that.
 

QuixoticOne

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The energy the cameras use depend on the model of cameras. A cheap CMOS sensor unit like in many low end webcams uses just a few dozen milliwatts. A CCD based camera like in a better webcam or point and shoot camera may use over a few dozen up to a few hundred milliwatts. A camera with a wireless function is going to use a few hundred milliwatts at least. A camera with a mount that can do any of the following -- focus / zoom / pan / tilt -- will use several hundred milliwatts to several watts of power. A camera including LIGHTING such as IR or visible light will use several hundred milliwatts up to several hundred watts depending on the lighting (LED vs. halogen vs. metal vapor or whatever).

Storage for storing 1 month of videos depends on the
a) resolution (320x200, old basic TV resolution, good quality analog TV resolution like 720x480 or 640x480, HDTV resolution over 1024x768 or better) , etc.

b) color depth (B&W vs color)

c) frame rate -- still pictures taken every 1 second, 10 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, only when something moves / the scene changes much, use less storage. Storing full motion video all the time at 5FPS, 10FPS, 15FPS, 30FPS, 60FPS takes much more space unless you are deleting portions of video where there is little motion / scene change activity, of course if the environment is always changing like a highway traffic camera then you'll always have lots of video to store.

d) What to get for day / night / rain / fog implies you'll do video of the outdoors. If you do that through a window and have the cameras indoors that is very different possibly than requiring cameras that are mounted in weather-proof outdoor enclosures. Actually the cameras may be similar but the weather proof camera enclosures and the cable runs for them and power runs for them / installation costs tend to cost more because of the added hardware and installation factors. No camera is going to be able to record through any substantial distance of heavy fog. Rain is usually not so much of a problem over short distances like 50 feet. For outdoor all weather use the enclosure / camera lens must be designed so that condensation / rain drops / dirt do not block the view. Such enclosures with covers / shields / environmental seals cost more of course. Night time photography requires either very sensitive CCD or hiqh quality / sensitivity CMOS sensor cameras, or active IR or visible illumination. Over distances of a few feet like a very small room or hallway you can use IR or visible LED based lighting. Over a large area of outdoors such as a part of a parking area or back yard you'd need significant artificial lighting enough to fairly brightly illuminate the area to the extent just as if you were taking a picture with a good digital handheld camera and wanted the lens size vs. exposure time to be reasonable. Typically low pressure sodium / mercury vapor lighting is economical when you need a few hundred watts per bulb or more. For larger size areas you'd typically need multiple lights over the location, and possibly multiple cameras or at least less cameras but with integrated pan and maybe zoom functions so they can sweep over the area and maintain a useful resolution detail at the maximum viewing distance.

Also for storing a month of pictures or video you will want to digitally compress the data and store it on a computer hard disk. For only a few / several cameras you can use relatively low cost PC based hardware and even many free software packages (though configuring/installing them via a consultant may not be free) to help you do the storage and retrieval. If you have more than several cameras then the system gets to be more complex and you should find some help in designing it.

Wireless cameras come in two kinds... one is an analog "video" camera that just sends wireless analog video in a typical "analog TV" NTSC/PAL signal over to a receiver to generate analog video you could record with a typical VCR or whatever. The other kind is a computerized digital camera which sends some kind of digital pictures over a wireless link which is either something non-standard or which may be standard like 802.11 wireless networking. If you have digital still pictures coming straight from the camera or digital video in a standard compressed format like MPEG-2 or Motion-JPEG or whatever then you will have some kind of PC based software to handle further storage / compression of the video or still images. Some systems offer a dedicated PC based or proprietary retrieval / storage / display system controller. Others offer custom software packages for a properly equipped PC to receive and store / replay the video / pictures.

The very best thing from a storage perspective is to keep a very limited number of pictures or full speed video portions, and to automatically delete all the times when the picture stays basically the same with little interesting changes. Some networked digital cameras or their systems can do this automatically. Sometimes it is possible to keep a short period of some minutes / hours of better speed / resolution video and then after that period reduce / delete everything that does not change interestingly and store it in a lower resolution, lower frame rate, etc.

Check out places like this for more info:
http://www.polarisusa.com/
http://www.axis.com/
 

QuixoticOne

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Personally for simplicity I'd suggest buying a system that is pretty much recommended for use together with all of its component parts, use a "digital network camera" with built in digitization of the video and TCP/IP networking / wireless functions, appropriate enclosures / lighting / antennas suggested for use with it, and the appropriate PC based controller / storage configuration suggested.

Don't bother with anything based on analog "TV" like video, although those cameras are simpler, you have more complexity for storage and processing and digitization at the controller side of things, and typically the camera resolution with analog "TV cameras" will be poorer than some of the digital cameras as well.

 

bX510

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Thank you for the great post. You've actually brought something to my attention. I can't have tons of videos of nothing happening. So, I do want something that will have pictures and record only when there is motion and then store the video. I would probably want a 720x480 or 640x480 resolution. With all the information you've given me, it sounds expensive for what I want.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: bX510
Actually, my budget is $300 for 3-4 cameras. Is this possible?
The camera you linked to will have very limited range in dark conditions (and will be black and white, of course). If 15 feet is OK, then its not an issue, but IR illumination will significantly increase power consumption.

If you really need no-compromise performance in darkness, you're looking at not higher than 0.05 Lux camera rating with IR illumination or 0.0003 Lux without IR illumination, unless there is significant light illumination cast from nearby lights.

I just installed a wired two-camera system for my sister that uses 600TVL micro cameras with 0.0003 Lux rating. Performance in darkness with only the light cast from two street lights 25+ yards away and her porch light is adequate. Not great, but adequate. If it weren't for those street and porch lights, we would need IR illumination.

Everyone wants the performance you have specified, but not everyone can afford it. Wireless capability will add $40 ~ $50 to each camera and the camera specs you are looking for start at $100 without wireless. So figure $150 per camera at minimum. And you still need a wireless receiver, DVR or video capture board, and accessories such as battery packs, power cables, and adapters for any cabling.