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Help! What will happen if I use Partition Magic 5.0 with WindowsME?

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CoderFirstClass

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When I ran the setup program, it said "This program may not work with this version of Windows" and it directed me to a page on Powerquest's website which told me nothing. I poked around a bit, and discovered that Partition Magic 6.0 was listed as compatible with WindowsME. I haven't been able to find any info on why PM 5.0 wouldn't be compatible with WindowsME. Does anyone have some experience with this? I have a Dell I4000 laptop with a 10GB drive that I need to repartition into two 5GB partitions without losing any data. It is extremely important that I not lose any data. Thanks.
 
AFAICR i had pm5 installed on my system on ME and it worked...but i have forgotten b/c it was alomst a year ago and i mabey be sketchie..
 
Hey, you're right! PM 5.0 apparently needs to boot into DOS for a bit after you make changes in Windows. I couldn't get your link to work, but I found this. Hopefully this will work.
 
CoderFirstClass, sorry the link now seems not to work but it did when I wrote the posting. anyway,for what it's worth, good luck! 🙂
 
BMW's are the second best car manufacterer in the world, next to Mercedes Benz, which outdoes BMW 3 out of every 4 years.

BMW's are also plaqued with mechanical problems after about 4-5 years on their high performance models. Mercedes-Benz AMG models last much longer than that.



Take it from someone who works on cars for a living! 🙂


In a few years perhaps both BMW and Mercedes will both be Dethrowned by VW.

Please don't even mention Lexus.... just a toyota with more expensive trim panels and taillights... the cars are POS for longevity.

and for your information VW, is the biggest car manufacteror in the world next to GM. But it is more profitable than GM

VW Corp Owns Audi, Porche, Lamborgheini, Bugatti, Bently, Rolls royce, and a few other unknown car companies.



Now on to your Partition Magic problem, it WILL work, but you have to make a DOS boot disk, set your partition from windows, reboot to that DOS disk, then go to the directory where PM5.0 is and then run one of the Exe's I forget the exact one... but it does work and well.



Arch Angel

 
Heh...I was wondering how long it would be before someone commented on my sig. Concerning what you said, yeah, I know that Mercedes are generally better-built cars. But BMW's look a lot cooler IMO and, well, yeah. I do like the styling of Mercedes high-end sedan (SL500, something like that, it costs 90K) better than the 7-series. But the 3-series...drool.

I did not know that VW owned all those companies. Audi and Bugatti, yeah. I do like the styling of the new VWs, but I wonder about the reliability. Guess I'll have to glance at Consumer Reports next time I'm at the bookstore.

Now on to my Partition Magic problem...thanks for explaining it. It sounds like that's what the site I found was doing as well. I've never used Partition Magic before, so I was just wondering, can I do all my work from DOS and forget the whole Windows problem? Let me explain what I would like to do, tell me if my thinking is flawed:

1) Use a floppy to boot to DOS.
2) Run PM, split hard drive into 5GB C drive and 5GB D drive (blank).
3) Use Norton Ghost to save an image file of drive C onto drive D.
4) Boot to Windows, burn CDs of said image file for backup purposes.
5) Boot to DOS.
6) Merge partitions and go back to 10GB drive C.
7) Format C:, install Win2K.
8) If Win2K doesn't work out, format C, use image file CDs to bring my computer back the way it was.
 
🙂 Well you like the M3's right I can't blame you. They are very impressive cars, only thing I have against it is that it's max BHP is at such a VERY high RPM (over 7000 RPM) Which is hard on ANY engine for longevity purposes. The car is fast, and looks great! But, since BMW beat out M-B this year.> M-B has decided to respond to the M3, with the C32 AGM, which gets 354 HP, out of a smaller cubic inch, and gets it's max torque and HP in a lot lower RPMs. The new 2002 C32 is gonna be very impressive.

As for VWs quality, they are very very very good. And most of all VW is probably the most innovative, Creating the W8,W12 and W16 engines (basicly 2 engines offset and combined to save on physical diminsions while maintaining the same cubic inch). They also pretty much made the Turbo Deisel engine, in fact they have a new 10 cyl, 5.0 Liter turbo diesel engine which gets 303 HP (super high for diesel!) and it gets over 500 foot pounds of torque... Very impressive.

The best way I can explain how the W formation is superior would be this.

Dodge Viper 8.0L V10
Bugatti Veyron 8.0L W16

Though they are BOTH 8.0L, the physical dimensions of the W16 is MUCH smaller, more than 30%.

what you have is a space saver.

Basicly that 8.0L W16, is the same size size as a 5.5-6.0L V12

And since the physical dimensions are smaller, that also means ligher and more efficient.

Ok enough about cars on to your partition Magic Problem... oh and before, PLEASE NO RICERS I don't wanna hear about Honda rice rockets.



This is what I do for my system and it works VERY VERY well.

I make 2 Partitions, one 3 gigs, the other around 17 or so.

I put the OS on the 3 gig one, and all drivers, all programs such as powerDVD, anything that takes up small space, I leave on C, and then GHOST it to D:, where I leave my games and mp3s.. and other files.


I understand you have 5 gigs of data on the drive already, so you cannot make a partition smaller than 5 gigs, My advice is go through that 5 gigs, and DELETE anything you can re-install that way you can get the C: partition to a smaller size.

After that is set, I would send all your data to the D:, then perform an entire reload of the OS. Install the drivers, and make the cleanest posseble install you can. Then ghost that perfect image, so when you Eff it up, you can ghost it all back, and wallah! there is a bran new OS.

This saves a lot of time and headache in the longrun, Ghosting is the best thing you can do for your system.

BTW good chance your ghost image will not fit on a CD........

Unless you do what I did, and only install what you need to on C:, then compress it at highest compression, save it to the d: partition, then use CD burner to copy it.

I leave the ghost directory with my Image's on the D:. So I can boot with a floppy and then ghost it when needed.


If you have AOL instant messanger drop me buy a message my username is

"WyldGopher"

Without the quotes! good luck!

 
One more thing... I don't recomend Win2K if your a gamer. It's not ideal for that. WINME is pefectly stable for me, sure I need a reboot every few days, but it only takes me 30 secs to get back into windows... not unstable enough to want WIN2K, because games and stuff don't like it not to mention a lot of other programs.

Maybe XP will be better.
 
Then you need to install more than just Quake3!

It's not even that games DON't install its the fact that gamma inside Quake3 does not work, peripherals like joysticks and such do not work that well with it. Trust me I am a huge gamer from ALL genres... I play racing cars games with Force Feedback Racing wheel, I play a lot of FPS, Flightsims, and such. Anything and everything I played it.

I can name many many programs that will not run on Windows2000. In fact if you read around on the web you will find gaming sites that reviewed them and will say many problems and querks with it. I am not saying you are lieing, and perhaps every game does work for you, and every program. But if thats the case I bet you are just not observant enough or picky enough to realise it's not working the way it should be.

I am an overly picky person, I notice the geometry on my monitor is off, yet 99.9% of people do not notice it, even when I point it out. And to be honest the geometry is VERY good, much better than other monitors... but i still notice it. Perhaps I am as stated before overly picky or observant.

Whatever the case, I do not recoment Win2K, It was not made for gaming, MS did not have that it mind.
 
Here are the games I have installed (or have had installed at one point) on my Windows2000 system:

QuakeII
QuakeIII
Tribes
Tribes2
Half-Life / TFC / CounterStrike
Operation Flashpoint
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Unreal Tournament
Need For Speed (many versions)
E-Racer
Deus Ex
Soldier of Fortune
Black and White
Rally's Alice
NOLF
AOE2
Diablo
Diablo II
StarCraft
Rainbow 6 / Rogue Spear
SWAT 3

the list goes on...
 
I don't care about gaming, really. I bought a 700 Celeron/128MB/ATI 8MB simply as a go-between for college (I'll have a P4 for the heavy lifting) and I was quite surprised when I discovered it could play Half-Life. I'm just sick of all the rebooting (2 or 3 times a *day*), so I want stability above all else.

I did go through my HD and uninstall everything I could. I ended up with about 2.5GB of data, and the image file Norton Ghost produced was about 1.6GB at high compression. With Ghost's spanning capability I can have it produce CD-sized files, which I can then use to restore my system if the need arises. The reason I'm messing around with PM is that I made the image file by plugging my HD into my friend's desktop before, but he lives 45 minutes away, and I didn't know about the spanning capability then, so I need to recreate the image file.

So can I use PM totally from DOS?
 
If you have a larger hard drive, the OS/apps partitioning scheme works well. With my 10GB, though, I think it's more space efficient to use a single partition, although it does make restoring more work. I don't plan to restore frequently though, so I like the single partition idea better. It's more personal preference than anything.
 
I am not sure if you can use it from dos, I never did until it was time time to finalize the partition.

BTW... if your having to restart 2-3 times a day... then it's not your OS, it's your machine. People rag on win9X all the time, but I can go 3 days without a reboot, and that is playgames, install games... working heavily with DVD stuff

The 3 days is just a rough estimate, I have gone for 2 weeks before a reboot on WINME. But I reboot every 3 days just to make sure everything is fresh again.

Perhaps a lot of people think Win9X is unstable is because they either have unstable hardware, or perhaps they are running on a 3 year old install from their OS... Any OS gets corupted after long use and a reinstall is good for it time to time.

I am not saying Win9X is as stable is Win2K, it's not even close. BUT for home users win9X should be just fine. Only enterprises and big companies really need win2k.

But hey thats just my opinion and experience.
 
I'm using WinME on a Dell laptop which is less than two months old. It's been doing weird stuff almost since day 1. Therefore, I doubt it's my hardware, but if Win2K gives me trouble too, I'll be calling Dell to complain.

I happen to think that Win98SE is fairly good (better than ME, anyhow) but Win2K has more support for laptops, so I'm going that way.
 
Many many people state how they are having problems with WinME. I am not going to be as bold to say, "what are they doing wrong" because there are some excellent techs that installed it and have headaches. I am just curious to see what they do different because every WINME install I have done results in pleasent stability and suprises... Maybe I should document how I install it, and so on...... the only problem I have had in WinME like the others talk about is when I was running the "Beta" copy..... I had errors and crap all over the place. But the final build works like a charm.


Anyways good luck with your system.
 
Hmmm...well, if Win2K doesn't work out then I'll try a fresh install of WinME and see how that goes. It bugs me that there will never be any service packs for WinME, though, just some isolated patches.

Anyway, here's what happened last night. I installed PM 5.0, tried to start it, and got an error message about a library failing to initialize. I restarted, tried again, and got the same thing. Then I made the rescue disks. For some reason the boot disk that PM created refused to boot my machine, but the second disk had the DOS version of PM on it! It's called pqmagic.exe. So I made a regular boot disk from WinME and booted into DOS, then stuck the rescue disk in and ran PM. I resized the main partition using a handy slider, restarted, then used fdisk (for simplicity) to make an extended DOS partition and a new logical drive. Then I used Norton Ghost to clone C (about 3GB of data now) to D, and ended up with three ~630MB files which I will be burning to CD later. After that comes Win2K!
 
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