Help New system wont' boot

chrisco114

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My parents asked me if i could upgrade there old pIII for around $200...I decided to go with a pcchips 841lr mb with athlon 1700+ and 256 pc133...i know this isn't blazing but it should serve there purposes which are mainly the internet and word processing. However when i installed the new components and attempted to restart the computer it would not boot. The system fan and cpu fan began spinning, the harddrive lit up and the dvd drive started but nothing came up on the monitior. Anyone who knows what the problem could be please let me know.

p.s. I also added a new 350w power suply
 

mechBgon

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Welcome to the Forums :D Forecast calls for a 90% chance of brainstorms tonight... :D Here goes, hope something comes to light:

I remember a really simple problem I had with a new board... the contacts in the AGP slot were pretty stiff. There are two layers of contacts in an AGP slot, and I had only gotten the video card down into the first layer, so of course it wasn't working. Took a really surprising amount of force to get it all the way into the second layer :Q

On the same board, I had a little trouble getting the memory modules all the way into the slots. The system spun fans, but wouldn't function, and upon getting a flashlight and looking closely, it turned out that the memory modules were not all the way into the slots. That's another easy thing to check.

The AMD heatsinks have a step cut into one end of the base, which is there to clear the solid plastic end of the CPU socket. If the heatsink's accidentally installed 180° backwards, then the heatsink gets jacked up by the solid area and can't make good contact with the CPU core, resulting in immediate CPU overheat. So check for that. If this were the case, it's entirely possible the CPU is fried as a result... it takes literally 2 seconds for that little scrap of silicon to hit dangerous temperatures without cooling.

If you bought a heatsink that comes disassembled, it's possible to put the heatsink on the right way but reverse the clip, also causing problems (Volcano 7 comes to mind here).

Another possible cause of overheating would be to forget to take the plastic slip off the thermal pad on the heatsink, or to not use any thermal pad or grease at all. If you're sure the pad is there, that you took the slip off, and that the heatsink is on the right way, don't take the heatsink off until you've exhausted all other possibilities. Reason: the thermal pad "melts to fit" the gap between the heatsink and CPU, and is good for one use only. If you took the heatsink off, this type of thermal pad would have to be scraped off and replaced with high-quality thermal grease such as Arctic Silver 3.

If all that's good but it still won't go, try disconnecting all the drives from both the IDE cables and from the power supply, and power up the motherboard with nothing but video, memory, CPU/heatsink and keyboard. If it won't run like that, take the motherboard out of the case, lay it on a non-conductive surface (cardboard or whatever), get a 16-ounce hammer or bigger... oops, hang on, hammer comes a little later. :D Lay the board outside the case and try to fire it up like that, using a screwdriver tip to make momentary connection on the Power Switch pins to start it. If it starts now, then maybe there's an extra motherboard support grounding out on the underside of the board or something. If not, try a different power supply, RAM and video card if possible.

RAM quality could be an issue, is it at least semi-name-brand stuff like Kingston ValueRAM? Power supply could be an issue, some "400W" power supplies from el-cheapo companies have laughable levels of actual wattage on the 3.3V + 5V combined lines, where it counts.

Good luck, hope something works out for you.
 

lane42

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I had an epox 8k7a that did that. The motherboard was no good. If all else fale's, send it back.
 

nick1985

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nothing displays at all??? i had a problem like htat. believe it or not, my cdrom drive was bad...sounds funny i know... but try that!
 

chrisco114

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Is now the board holes did not actualy line up exactly with teh case i am using so i was only able to screw in a few of the screws, should that matter for grounding purposes? my heat sink i made sure the pressure point of the clip was above the die, it did not have a thermal contact pad as it was a fairly cheep heat sink that came with the processor...i did however use arctic silver 3 greese...however after applying i may have used too much...could this cause problems?
 

mechBgon

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Too much AS3 grease might make the temperature a bit higher than it otherwise would, but not to the extent that it would fail to run. What you said about the holes not lining up precisely... that sounds promising, how about taking the board out of the case and seeing if it begins working. Worst-case scenario, you can pick up a new case (and a potent name-brand 350W power supply!) for $70 shipped. Comes with a 120mm exhaust fan too! :cool: