Help - need to convince paranoid parents that web shopping is safe

Comp625

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For starters, I'm going to stick with newegg.com since my dad knows that Newegg was originally the retail Egghead store. So he's familiar with them. My mom lacks alot of knowledge about computers and jumps to many stupid conclusions. She watches too much Dateline NBC and how they talk about 1 specific guy getting hacked, etc. *sigh*

Anyways, I need your help. I need links to recent articles from reputable sites (like CNET, ZDnet, PCWorld) that are short and geared for the casual reader. The article has to talk about internet shopping security. It's gotta be recent (so that it talks about the 128 bit encryption, etc...). It should also have more Pros than Cons about Webshopping. ;)

I also need your suggestions and recommendations on how I can persuade them to buy stuff online.

Here's my dillema if you wanna go into detail.

This late-Christmas, my parents are going to buy me whatever comp parts I want to upgrade as long as it's in a reasonable price range and under $500. I want a new motherboard, new CPU and new DDRram. My local hardware shop is running low on products this season. They only have a MSI K7T266 Pro2 for $130, Athlon XP 1600+ for $159 and 256mb DDRram (I presume its generic, not sure) for $65. My local hardware store only has the MSI and the ASUS A7V266-E but they sell that for $200 (which is way too expensive IMO).

After reading a few reviews, the MSI doesn't seem like that great of a choice. In benchmarks, the MSI doesn't fare too well compared to other KT266A boards. To keep the story short, there are alot of other minor nuisances with the board. The generic RAM doesn't exactly make their offering too flashy either.

My friend has been persuading me to buy online since it's cheaper and you get a wider product selection. Newegg.com has the EPOX EP-8KHAL (retail) for $90! Newegg has a 256mb stick of Crucial DDRram PC 2100 (OEM) for $63. Last but not least, an AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (retail) for $139.

For about $50 cheaper, I can get higher quality parts and I have the ability to throw in an Enermax Mid-tower case with 300W PSU and still save more money than if I were to buy the mobo, cpu and ram only at the store. Please help ASAP thanks!
 

Alphathree33

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Make up a 128 bit positive integer, p, in the form p = ab where a and b are both primes and are neither 1 nor p.

Now write down this number, if you can, since it has more than 35 digits, and give it to your mother and tell her to write the prime factorization for it. If she can then she can have your credit card number. If she can't then she can get HIDOSA&$*(@)Q^$YIDYSAOIU$&#)$^()$^#@&*$(#@^$&*(@#YUKLWBDJSLKA.
 

sohcrates

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I don't know of any articles, but MAN OH MAN! It still boggles my mind that people don't trust shopping online (i know several that don't as well)

I've been buying things online (especially computer parts) for over 5 years now! i've used debit cards, credit cards, paypal..you name it, i've done it!

I know at LEAST 20-25 other people that regularly buy things online (including my parents)

I couldn't possibly imagine buying computer parts elsewhere...the money you save (in addition to getting EXACTLY what you want) is tremendous!

My newest thing is to walk around local stores, decide what I like, go home and read reviews of it on the internet, then buy it online and save HUNDREDS!

Newegg.com is probably the most reputable online computer vendor out there right now. I have NEVER had a problem with them, and i've easily ordered thousands of dollars alone. Plus, you can get them on the phone relatively easily if necessary.

As long as you shop at reputable e-tailers, you won't have any problems. I've even shopped at not-so-reputable places and it worked out just fine.

Make sure whoever you order from has a phone number and gives a mailing address (or order from newegg all the time and be 100% sure that you're safe) :)

I also like essencompu.com and mwave.com

maybe this will help, maybe not :p
 

Alphathree33

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<< Please be serious. :( >>



F*ck you. How do you think cryptography works? It works on the basis of what's called a one way function. What I gave you was a really simple example of a 128 bit encryption system. Online systems are more complex because they use a public key system where everyone can see the key but only the intended recipient can make any use of it.
 

Gunbuster

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Ask them how driving to a store and handing someone a credit card is safe.

Or just wait to 2002, then you can say "it's fookin 2002 buy stuff on the web allready"
 

John

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<< Please be serious. :( >>



F*ck you. How do you think cryptography works? It works on the basis of what's called a one way function. What I gave you was a really simple example of a 128 bit encryption system. Online systems are more complex because they use a public key system where everyone can see the key but only the intended recipient can make any use of it.
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Your suggestion flew right over his head, hench his hostility. ;)
 

Comp625

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Quick question:

Is it okay to use a 300w Powersupply from Enlight with the Epox board w/ XP 1600+? My friend says "you can't use a 300w PS with these new systems." 10 minutes later he contradicts himself and says "i recommend you buy an Enlight Case with 300w PS -- i used it myself and it works and is recommended by AMD"

Where is the link to that page on AMD's site that lists all certified power supplies that can be used with AMD processors?

From newegg:
Enermax, CS-A1QX-06, 2-Tone, 9-Bay, 300W PS, P4, MID Tower Case , ATX. 4 X 5.25" BAYS, 2 X 3.5" BAYS, 3 X 3.5" HIDDEN. Enermax EG301P VB (AMD Recommended power supply.) power supply. Dimensions: (DxWxH) 440 x 220 x 430 mm. Please see images. Fedex Saver Shipping $8.00

Here are all the secondary parts I have in my comp (including the stuff I *wanna* buy from first post):
Epox Mobo
AMD XP 1600+
Crucial 256mb RAM
Creative Labs GeForce2 GTS
SB Live Value
Creative Cd-rw 8x4x32
Memorex 48x CD-Rom
WD 40gb 7200rpm ATA100
 

sohcrates

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yeah, lots of people run their XP1600+'s off 300 watters

i assume you're referencing the enlight 7237 w/ 300 watt PSU right? off newegg for like 47 bucks?

GREAT case for the money. GREAT deal
 

Phalin

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Hey Comp forgot I was registered here. LOL

Man somepeople shouldn't post if they can't remain civil!
 

Comp625

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I'm going with the Enlight $60 with 340w PSU. The case has railings on the 5.25 and 3.5 bays which is really cool!

So far my wishlist comes out to $351 before shipping.

Enlight Mid-tower EN-7237 OEM Case with 340W PS Unit - $60

EPOX EP-8KHAL VIA Apollo KT266A Retail - $89

AMD Athlon XP 1600+/1.4GHz Retail - $139

Crucial 256mb PC2100 DDR Ram OEM - $63

Now the hard part is convincing them to buy it online. :)
 

Jeff7

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Have they ever used their credit card over the phone? That's less secure than using the Internet. To get the CC number over the phone, a simple line tap could be used; plus the number is given directly to a person. Over the Internet, a person has to not only find an encrypted transmission, but he/she must then spend the next several hundred years decrypting the message. What Alphathree33 is basically what someone would have to do. A 128-digit number is pretty darn big. ;)
Oh, and when giving the CC number over the Internet, the number may never even be seen by a human being. I don't know of any computers that have purchased items on their own using a stolen CC number.

Have they ever used their credit card at a store? A customer at K-mart told me that her CC had a few thousand dollars worth of fraudulent charges - she was shopping at some nationwide specialties store, gave the CC to the cashier, who apparently used the number to buy many items.
When the CC is scanned, the number is encrypted and sent electronically to the CC company for authorization. That's just what happens when ordering over the Internet.

I actually prefer ordering stuff online to over the phone. A simple line tap - bam, someone's got your CC number, the name on the card, and expiration date, all in plain English. Order online, and it's encrypted to the point that it would take a computer many years to decrypt the data, assuming it's even intercepted.
 

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Comp625, here's my advise, and i'm speaking from experience. my parents did the same thing to my younger bro, its not about them being ignorant about online shopping, but they couldn't trust my bro with their credit cards. especially since the cc have high credit limits. :)

so i'm going to tell you what i told my bro, in order to win their trust, buy a small inexpensive( around $100-150) item first using your parents cc. let them see that, they can trust you with their cc, and your won't abuse it. once they trust you, can gradually buy more expensive items. i hope you won't abuse their trust and subscribe to some online porn site ;)

 

thedan

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<< Please be serious. :( >>



F*ck you. How do you think cryptography works? It works on the basis of what's called a one way function. What I gave you was a really simple example of a 128 bit encryption system. Online systems are more complex because they use a public key system where everyone can see the key but only the intended recipient can make any use of it.
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Jeez Alpha, Settle Down, Its me, Phoenix, I know that your smarter than c625, and your very basic explanation of cryptography went straight above him. Don't worry about it, just lighten up mate.

-p10
 

thedan

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<< especially since the cc have high credit limits :) >>




And uh, where do you live baisezmoi? Could I borrow your IP for some uh? Diagnostics on your connection speed? :)
 

Comp625

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<< Comp625, here's my advise, and i'm speaking from experience. my parents did the same thing to my younger bro, its not about them being ignorant about online shopping, but they couldn't trust my bro with their credit cards. especially since the cc have high credit limits. :)

so i'm going to tell you what i told my bro, in order to win their trust, buy a small inexpensive( around $100-150) item first using your parents cc. let them see that, they can trust you with their cc, and your won't abuse it. once they trust you, can gradually buy more expensive items. i hope you won't abuse their trust and subscribe to some online porn site ;)
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Hehe I don't actually want to handle a credit card. I'm actually quite responsible and probably would do a damn good job handling one but right now, cash suites me best. The only time that I would see the need for a CC is buying stuff online. And I don't have that urge to buy stuff online often...only at Christmas and Birthday time. :)
 

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<< Make up a 128 bit positive integer, p, in the form p = ab where a and b are both primes and are neither 1 nor p. >>


I don't see how you think he's not serious.


<< Man somepeople shouldn't post if they can't remain civil! >>


I would be pretty pissed too if somebody threw down a perfectly legitimate piece of knowledge.
 

Comp625

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I'll quote myself.



<< Anyways, I need your help. I need links to recent articles from reputable sites (like CNET, ZDnet, PCWorld) that are short and geared for the casual reader. The article has to talk about internet shopping security. It's gotta be recent (so that it talks about the 128 bit encryption, etc...). It should also have more Pros than Cons about Webshopping. ;) >>



 

VBboy

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Safe?!

HAH.

Read this. Look at all the negative comments people made about the companies. I was actually afraid to shop online for a month or so after checking this out.

Ouch #1 - A2Z computers
Ouch #2 - Aberdeen
Ouch #3 - Accubyte

Should I go on? Some companies will treat you like sh|t. Of course there are some good ones like NewEgg.com, but I wouldn't in general call Web shopping safe.
 

marat

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You know, I have a very funny video in my collection:

Usual store. Woman opens perfume(?) bottle and that produces loud sound. Every guy in the store takes the gun out of his pockets and points on neighbors. Idea is: Shop online, it is safer ;)