Help need to build 9 PCs

[Hardware]

Thinking about I845E + 512Mb DDR + C2.0@3.0 (later swap with HT P4 or now 2.53)
Which mobo
PS 400W or 350W
medium tower is ok ?

 

[MadRat]

Why overclock so many CPUs? Its not a garauntee going Celeron 2GHz to 3GHz.

 

[Wolfsraider]

what are the computers to be used for?

 

[squirrel dog]

I too have questions about overclocking to 3gigs.

 

[Yomicron]

Originally posted by: squirrel dog
I too have questions about overclocking to 3gigs.

I suppose he is refering to this.

now as to why he want's 9 potentially unstable PCs is unclear.

 

[mcveigh]

P4 celerons suck.

what are these computers for? if for someone else, I never overclock. you want stability over performance anyday.

 

[Hardware]

is a gf2 mx still good enough?

 

[Athlon4all]

Go with 845PE. Not only does it offer signifcant performance boosts via DDR333, but also, your plan of upgrading to HT 2.53 will not work on 845E because it doesn't support HT.

is a gf2 mx still good enough?

Depends on the application. Are these going to be Office work type apps or light gaming or high-end gaming? If it's just going to be office apps, go with the 845GE chipset and use the integrated video. Iight gaming, I'd go with depending on the price, a GF4MX 420, GF4MX 440-8X or a Radeon 9000. A 350W PS would be plenty. If you'd like more assistance, plz feel free to IM/PM/Email me. Jesus is LORD!!!

 

[Hardware]

its heavyload office with a splash of acad (2d)

the i845G has a bad 2d or?

we have only 18" tft and need kickass 2d

which mb is the oc king in these days (with windows oc support)

abit has no windows tool

gigabyte or msi ??

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Hardware
its heavyload office with a splash of acad (2d)

the i845G has a bad 2d or?

we have only 18" tft and need kickass 2d

which mb is the oc king in these days (with windows oc support)

abit has no windows tool

gigabyte or msi ??

You are best to go with a 533 FSB p4 which will destroy a crappy Celeron in every benchmark no matter what.
I'd get a Gigabyte or Asus board for non-overclocking. maybe even MSI.

 

[Ben50]

Don't bother overclocking if you are mainly using office products. AutoCAD would benefit from the faster cpu but it isn't worth the risk of corrupt data and lockups if you are in a work environment. You would be much better off to go with 2.4Ghz or 2.53Ghz along with DDR333 ram.

 

[MadRat]

Hell, for the price of your rigs you could go Athlon XPs and run them stock. Autocad loves Athlons and their raw FPU power.

 

[Hardware]

I dont know a stable chipset for a XP!

maybe nforce2 (via and sis are out for me)

 

[chansen]

Build an nForce2 test system and see how it goes. I'd do that before going with the Celeron or the expense of the P4.

The A7N8X based system I just built went swimmingly. The 845G based Celeron system (on Intel board and same Antec 300W PS) I built before that had more issues during installation and setup. Can't for the life of me figure out what I did differently.

Craig

 

[MadRat]

[johnny dangerously]Hardware you fargon troll bastage. I should keel you for that bullflip.[/johnny dangerously]

Can't find a stable VIA or SiS chipset? You have to be out of your flipping mind. The KT133 and up are stable, with the KT400 being the top of the line performer until nForce2 hits mainstream. The SiS 735 and 745 chipsets are problem free, too. Even the ALi MaGiK1 chipset is perfectly stable. If you cannot build a stable AMD system then how the fluck are you going to build any stable overclocked system?

 

[Hardware]

I think I will stay with Intel Cel or P4
cannot buy NF2 here in Germany now

 

[Hardware]

Can't find a stable VIA or SiS chipset? You have to be out of your flipping mind. The KT133 and up are stable, with the KT400 being the top of the line performer until nForce2 hits mainstream. The SiS 735 and 745 chipsets are problem free, too. Even the ALi MaGiK1 chipset is perfectly stable. If you cannot build a stable AMD system then how the fluck are you going to build any stable overclocked system? <B>

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[Athlon4all]

On the video card, it souds like you want a Matrox G400/450/550. You can get them for $50ish (same price as GF2MX). You most certainly don't want an nVidia card for 2D quality, and Matrox seems like the card for you.

Hardware, I would likely lean towards agreeing with MadRat. I have used VIA KM133, SiS 735, and KT266A on my current rig (also have SiS 630S on my family's Celeron system), and I haven't had any major issues. If anything, nForce/nForce2 would be only better.

And, as someone said, the Athlon XP will spank both the Pentium4 and Celeron in AutoCAD. The Celeron @ 3.0GHz has no chance in AutoCAD 2D against the 1.8A Northwood (which costs $50ish more), And I would add the Athlon XP 1600+, will defeat it as well while costing $35 less than the Celeron 2.0.

I would really encourage you to wait for nForce2 SPP (still get a Matrox G400/450/550, Don't use the int. video, GF4MX is no better than GF2MX in 2D) if you aren't comfortable going with one of the mature KT333 boards.

Just for info, what is your budget per PC??? Jesus is LORD!!!

 

[TheCorm]

I agree....an Athlon XP based system with SiS 735/745 or KT333/KT400 based motherboard would wipe the floor with a P4 Celeron, especially with CAD stuff....not to mention the cost would be less allowing a bit extra towards more DDR RAM which is very useful for cad.

As for graphics card...the GF2 MX400 64MB should be fine for cad.

Corm

 

[MadRat]

He can get Radeons in the $50 range, too. I'd put a Radeon 7500 up against a GF2 MX anyday. For $15 more go Radeon 9000!

 

[Athlon4all]

He can get Radeons in the $50 range, too. I'd put a Radeon 7500 up against a GF2 MX anyday. For $15 more go Radeon 9000!

Mabe, but its clear he doesn't need gaming performance, just raw 2D Performance/Quality, and thats where the G400/450/550 comes in.

 

[ndee]

Hardware: ever heard of making sentences?

 

[TheCorm]

ndee.....I think hardware is from Germany.....I only wish my German was as good as his English!

 

[Hardware]

Our old pcs are p2l97 with cel 466 and bh6 with c300 upto piii-800 all SLOT-1

is the piii-800 still good enough for working?

I cannot wait so I have to buy the stuff in 7 days. As far I know I845E with Cel or P4 is a stable solution.
I have to buy 6 * 18" TFT too dunno if I should take 19" instead.

During this "update" I have to check my private PC


P4-2.53
BD7
768-PC333
120G 8MB
Ti4400
DUAL 18" TFT (NEC 1850E)

and my work PC

P4 2.3
TH7-II
1G-PC800 (40ns)
120G 8MB
Radeon 7500
DUAL 18" TFT (NEC 1830)


How can I upgrade my private pc and my work pc?

Radeon 9000 is out of question is 2D was crap (its now in my server)
Matrox is too old

Nvidia has stellar drivers so maybe TI-4200 for all

Which MB are good?

I think everybody will get a 8MB 7200 drive

The server will get a switch with 2 gigaports so I need a giganic for my server and my work pc

Damn its not easy to upgrade some pcs !!!!

 

[MadRat]

Its becoming more and more obvious you don't really want any help. You come in saying how you think an i845E with DDR and an overclocked Celeron 2GHz is going to be your choice but you want opinions from other people if its the right choice. You just want everyone to say "YES! Hardware that is the right choice. You da man!" Well, this isn't going to happen. You have made serious mistakes with your logic in your purchase and continue to bad mouth genuinely good hardware suggestions. Forget anyone's suggestions and go buy your fantasy setups. Because that is what you will be buying, pure fantasy.

You are a *** CONFIRMED *** moron.