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Help me understand iPhones

rh71

rh71

No Lifer
I come from Android and my kids have had iPads and I've always hated how Apple handled things from a usability standpoint. At any rate, for Christmas my boys wanted iPhones (6th grade and they're probably the last to get them). So I reluctantly got them used iPhone 8s and now a few questions:

1) What is an acceptable max battery health % at this point 2 years after release? 81% still good? Seller said it was 86% but it's showing max 81% instead.
2) We had established Apple IDs for their iPads using my and my wife's emails. So there have been 2 separate full access accounts (didn't provide the boys the passwd). So now while trying to setup the iPhone, what is the best route to go if I wanted them to have their own Apple IDs but still maintain some parental control? They don't need apps sync'd with their ipads so we can start fresh. At one point during setup, it asked me to enter a parental AppleID so I'm not sure what route I was taking, but I'm not sure I want to have a "child" account either since that can be overly restrictive (as I've found on xbox). Can't quite understand how it works and what it affects. What's the optimal setup for a family?
 
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honestly i have both a skin-deep dislike oif apple, for all their various corporate greed tactics, and also i dislike them from a practical point of view. The hardware is just as good as any samsung phone, but i would much, much rather go qwith android. If nothing else, for the way that Google handles the accounts when it comes to money things (i worked for that very Google UNDISCLOSED COMPANY NAME team so i know you can buy something and then call up and ask for a refund, and you'll get it). Also the amount of free stuff you can get on android is unparalleled.

come on, you're an AT lifer; you should be teaching your kids to jailbreak phones, not buy into a company that uses illegal tactics to prevent repairs.
 
it's implied that the max battery degrades over time (my original android battery does this, my replacement amazon battery doesnt). mine for example will get to 20% and then die.
I suspect that there are apps that allow you to get a realistic reading of the battery, and while the phone may go from 100% to 1%, you actually only have 86% of what the battery specs initially were.
 
I have an 8 from work. I don't like it. My S9+ is vastly superior in the speed/usability arena.

I too don't understand question #1. But, my 8 charges to 100% and shuts off around 10%. It holds a charge for up to 3 days. My S9+, about 2 days.
 
purbeast0 said:
I have no clue WTF you mean by #1 question. I've had 3 iPhones and my max battery has always been 100%.
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If you go to battery there's an option to check health status. It explains there something to the effect of max chargeable capacity relative to when it was new. Obviously batteries degrade over time. Quality rechargeable AAs will also degrade to maybe 80% of original chargeable capacity after almost a decade. Same thing with these phone batteries, only faster.

Here: https://binged.it/38Rgq6C
 
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rh71 said:
If you go to battery there's an option to check health status. It explains there something to the effect of max chargeable capacity relative to when it was new. Obviously batteries degrade over time. Quality rechargeable AAs will also degrade to maybe 80% of original chargeable capacity after almost a decade. Same thing with these phone batteries, only faster.

Here: https://binged.it/38Rgq6C
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Interesting. I had no clue. My iPhone 6 had battery issues but it was very obvious when it was going and I just got a new one on ebay for $13 and after installing it it was like a brand new phone again. That was when I'd charge it, then it would go from like 100% down to 60% in an instant. Or it would die with 20% and then I'd plug it in and it was at 60%. It was just very obvious at that point.
 
Real world usage on my S8+ after almost 2 years I feel it's not any worse. But there is no health status check on Samsung so I can't compare if 81% health is good.
 
81% sounds low to me. My iPhone 7 is still at 91%, so they must have used the crap out of that phone.

As for the accounts, you can associate all accounts into a single family arrangement, and in this case given their age, you'll likely want to do the following:

Create an Apple Account for your child - Apple Support

Creating an Apple Account for your child helps make sure that they can use their device and Apple services safely with age-appropriate settings in place. It allows you to easily set age-based parental controls.
support.apple.com support.apple.com
 
My 6s says 93% which I guess is fairly accurate. I have one of those phones that drops from 40% to zero in under twenty minutes and has since it was new.
 
Tweak155 said:
As for the accounts, you can associate all accounts into a single family arrangement, and in this case given their age, you'll likely want to do the following:

Create an Apple Account for your child - Apple Support

Creating an Apple Account for your child helps make sure that they can use their device and Apple services safely with age-appropriate settings in place. It allows you to easily set age-based parental controls.
support.apple.com support.apple.com
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In IOS, I see under Screen Time there's Restrictions I can choose. So if I'd rather do a new full (non-child) account, would the only difference for having a family account with child be that I am able to hit Allow on the parent device? I'm not really identifying any other perks to doing Family Sharing if I can just use Restrictions...?
 
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rh71 said:
In IOS, I see under Screen Time there's Restrictions I can choose. So if I'd rather do a new full (non-child) account, would the only difference for having a family account with child be that I am able to hit Allow on the parent device? I'm not really identifying any other perks to doing Family Sharing if I can just use Restrictions...?
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Not sure what you mean by "Allow" ... are you referring to Ask to Buy (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201089)? You can still set that up for someone that is "18" if you follow the link.

The main thing a child account is for is to allow a child to make an Apple ID at all to begin with as far as I'm aware. Otherwise, they're not supposed to have their own per Apple's policy if they are under 13. I don't think any of the family sharing options will work any differently.
 
rh71 said:
I come from Android and my kids have had iPads and I've always hated how Apple handled things from a usability standpoint. At any rate, for Christmas my boys wanted iPhones (6th grade and they're probably the last to get them). So I reluctantly got them used iPhone 8s and now a few questions:

1) What is an acceptable max battery health % at this point 2 years after release? 81% still good? Seller said it was 86% but it's showing max 81% instead.
2) We had established Apple IDs for their iPads using my and my wife's emails. So there have been 2 separate full access accounts (didn't provide the boys the passwd). So now while trying to setup the iPhone, what is the best route to go if I wanted them to have their own Apple IDs but still maintain some parental control? They don't need apps sync'd with their ipads so we can start fresh. At one point during setup, it asked me to enter a parental AppleID so I'm not sure what route I was taking, but I'm not sure I want to have a "child" account either since that can be overly restrictive (as I've found on xbox). Can't quite understand how it works and what it affects. What's the optimal setup for a family?
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Thats a bit of usage after 2 years but not completely out of the realm of normality, my son has an 8 and his is down to about 87% but thats with nearly constant use.

Battery repalcements are about $50 at any apple store or best buy, I would go ahead and replace them just so they have a good experience. Eventually the device will start clock throttling because the battery is no longer able to sustain power at peak times, you can disable this feature but its just going to end up causing you random reboots if you do.
 
At 81%, I would get the battery replaced at the Apple Store. It's only like $50 and worth it IMO. My daughter had the 6s which she refused to give up because it was the last iPhone with regular headphone jack. So I had the battery changed out twice. The first time it was free because her phone was ones of those affected by defective iPhone battery. Her battery was at 81% and Apple replaced it free. A year later, I had Apple replace her battery again because I wanted to replace the battery while Apple still had the discounted $39 battery replacement program. The battery was at around 83% or so. I think Apple recommends new battery if the old one drops under 80%.

I finally got her to replace her 6s with 11 Pro. She liked the 3 camera setup and agreed to the swap. She gets all day battery life with the 11 Pro vs having to charge her old 6s at least twice a day. If your kids use their phone like typical teenager, that 81% battery on the 8s isn't going to work.
 
I remember some years back that Apple got in deep shit for reducing their processor or something after a year - and to compensate they were doing battery replacement for cheap... Is that the same thing?

Because last I recall most phones these days it's a bitch and half to replace the battery - because they aren't just placed in like they used to be.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
I remember some years back that Apple got in deep shit for reducing their processor or something after a year - and to compensate they were doing battery replacement for cheap... Is that the same thing?

Because last I recall most phones these days it's a bitch and half to replace the battery - because they aren't just placed in like they used to be.
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Yeah, that was why Apple did the $29 battery replacement program for like a year. Honestly, even at full price, Apple store battery replacement is really reasonable. It's $49 for 8 and under and $69 for X and above. Battery replacement cost is the only thing Apple doesn't screw over its customers.
 
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