help me understand human behavior. part 3

Rallispec

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Why do you think people act the way they do?

My roomate and I were discussing this and he believes that a lot of what causes people to act the way they are is genetic. The different relationships between chemicals in the brain cause a person to be shy, outgoing... etc, and act a certain way.

I however tend to believe that you're surroundings and environment that shape a persons personality. Such as how you were raised and the community you were raised in.

So what makes the mean person mean, or the smart person smart?
Are my genes causing me to be shy or was my childhood lacking something?
 

pyonir

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i side with nurture rather than nature. but i do think that some of it comes from genetics. environment can do a LOT to shape a person and their inhibitions and beliefs.
 

Rallispec

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<< I think it's a little of both. >>

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okay-- i can understand this to some extent- but not really.
some people are born with brown hair, green eyes... etc.

how can a person be born 'funny'?
 

Kev

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<<

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<< I think it's a little of both. >>

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okay-- i can understand this to some extent- but not really.
some people are born with brown hair, green eyes... etc.

how can a person be born 'funny'?
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Maybe it's something biological. Your brain works in a certain way so that you are quick witted, and you have a "funny" way of thinking. Other people's brains work differently biologically, and therefore they have different ways of thinking.
 

Rallispec

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<< Maybe it's something biological. Your brain works in a certain way so that you are quick witted, and you have a "funny" way of thinking. Other people's brains work differently biologically, and therefore they have different ways of thinking. >>



Say i was a shy person... if you believe this is a genetic thing--- would i ever be able to overcome shyness without the use of pills such as 'paxil' or whatever else there is out there.

I have always felt that shyness and other personallity traits are learned behaviors that can be overcome if you put your mind to it and make a conscious effort to change them.

i understand that chemical inbalances can cause personality problems- are these things people are born with?- or are they something that people get over time?
 

killface

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<< okay-- i can understand this to some extent- but not really.
some people are born with brown hair, green eyes... etc.

how can a person be born 'funny'?
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Alot of "funny" people are coping with anxiety (I know because I deal with everything with humor) which is very genetic. Some funny people just have a need for attention.
As far as shyness is concerned, it is largely genetic, but more outgoing behavior can be learned.
Shyness. This is all i could find right now, but I'll dig up some more in a bit. Time for lunch.

Edit - The paxil comment reminds me of a good point. If shyness weren't genetic, drugs like paxil wouldn't help people overcoming anxiety and, in turn shyness because there would be no serotonin problems to fix.
 

linuxboy

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<< Why do you think people act the way they do?

My roomate and I were discussing this and he believes that a lot of what causes people to act the way they are is genetic. The different relationships between chemicals in the brain cause a person to be shy, outgoing... etc, and act a certain way.

I however tend to believe that you're surroundings and environment that shape a persons personality. Such as how you were raised and the community you were raised in.

So what makes the mean person mean, or the smart person smart?
Are my genes causing me to be shy or was my childhood lacking something?
>>



start by reading these:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=699662&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=685725&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=685802&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/arcmessageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=671074&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/arcmessageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=657216&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/arcmessageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=650903&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/arcmessageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=650557&highlight_key=y
http://forums.anandtech.com/arcmessageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=669131&highlight_key=y


post if you have more questions, those are pretty good threads.

Cheers ! :)
 

KrazymanJL

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unless you've got some kind of brain damage (born with or aquired) or were raised beaten and neglected

its probably just some combination of the 2
 

Rallispec

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linuxboy- thanks for the links-- i was hoping you'd reply..

i'm reading this thread on motivation now and pretty good... you should write a book or something. you definetly have some talent when it comes to writing and psychological type things.




<< All I'm saying is that if you think the world is crap, you don't have to put up with it. You have an example of someone who chose not to. Is he living a good life? I'd say so. Do you think you can get more? Maybe, but will it make you happy? Will the extra knowledge and stress love you when you lie alone at night? Will the money keep
you happy after you have a screw and still feel depressed? My bet is no, although it might. If you see no motivation in your life, it's not entirely your fault. We are very social animals and we live with others, so we have to stick to a system. Yet we have a choice in that system.

You're saying high schoolers can have motivation? I've never met one that does.

And why do you think that is? They learn the same crap year after year with no more explanation than "yeah I know this is useless and you will never use it again but I had to learn it, you do to. In fact, I hated it so much in high school, I now have a masters degree and I'm teaching it again to people who hate it as much as I do". Funny how that works, eh?
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:)

 

Kev

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<< linuxboy- thanks for the links-- i was hoping you'd reply..

i'm reading this thread on motivation now and pretty good... you should write a book or something.
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dear god no.
 

linuxboy

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So what makes the mean person mean, or the smart person smart?
Are my genes causing me to be shy or was my childhood lacking something?


Let me then summarize...

Every person has a range. I can never be a mozart, no matter how hard I try. Some people just have dispositions or are genetically inclined toward a certain proclivity. Likewise, some things like IQ are genetically based, to a large extent. That is not to say personality or tendencies cannot be controlled. One can condition people to think and act in many many different ways. We are still to a large extent biological beings. But we are also pyschological and social beings, or what some people call spiritual beings. These things are interrelated. Our genotype influences the observable phenotype. That leads to concepts of the self, and categorization, and all sorts of other good stuff. The environment then provides feedback to us and we are changed. We develop habits, and receive reinforcement or various means and usually at this time know what it is to experience separation from complete dependancy of toddlerhood and so we develop these walls and limit ourselves so our brains can pursue a myelinization process so we can have more rapid firing of neurons in order to process information and create heuristics.

So some things are innate. Some things are learned. It is really the interaction of these things and trajectories taken that influence later adult personality. The child has few coping abilities and so the experiences, good and bad, are cemented deep within one self and so later form behavior and thought patters, most of which in this culture are pretty nuts !

There is evidence that really it is impossible to separate because development is so covariant and co-dependent on the environment in its totality that even ascribing influences to innateness or externalities seems foolish, albeit useful, in holding a model to gain insight and understanding.


That's what I currently think and it's pretty much in line with contemporary developmental theory with their biopsychosocial approach.

you should write a book or something

How do you know I haven't ;)


dear god no.

I think X951 is put off for some reason by my loquacity, craziness, esotericism, or some other quality that is sometimes ascribed to me. Although I may suggest, that if you don't want to read what I have to say, don't read it. I'll close off with a Moonbeam quote. "It may not be a matter that I'm far out but that you really haven't been anywhere" :D

Cheers ! :)