Help me understand Briton's exiting the EU.

[SSSnail]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

 

[Jaskalas]

The vote was nonbinding.
The UK does not leave the EU until they actually file the documents to do so.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Its very simple:

The elite of the western world- media elites, financial elites, educational elites, etc. - have been pushing a (self-serving) agenda of the globalization of capital and labor for decades to their own benefits. Meanwhile the "common man" (aka white and blue color thanks to education level) has seen his own status in globalized society erode while these elites have absorbed most of the globalization benefits.

The vote for Brexit (and Donald Trump and a little bit Bernie) is a vote of a lack of confidence in elites looking out for their futures going forward, with a little bit of xenophobia mixed in to put a "face" on the evils of globalization.

 

[Cappuccino]

Simple.

The rich are screwed and the poor are OK.

I summed it up for you.

 

[SSSnail]

Simple.

The rich are screwed and the poor are OK.

I summed it up for you.

I don't know, from what I'm reading, seems like everybody is screwed, but the poor will be screwed worse. But as always, they seem to be mislead by false promises that none of the people that promised they intend to keep, or can deliver.

 

[sdifox]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

This is my take of it.

Brexiter: We prefer inbred local thieves to the continental ones. At least the ones we prefer are British.

 

[Cappuccino]

I don't know, from what I'm reading, seems like everybody is screwed, but the poor will be screwed worse. But as always, they seem to be mislead by false promises that none of the people that promised they intend to keep, or can deliver.

false promises that none of the people that promised they intend to keep, or can deliver
+1
Everything you hear is unrealistic promises and even if they are realistic they never deliver. Pretty much everything is screwed. This Thursday new PM will be nominated. I hope Boris Johnson is selected. Great. :sneaky:

 

[IEC]

Rich got screwed, poor people still poor.

But I'd expect the UK's exports and domestic industries to be better over the long term, even if there is short term pain.

P.S. The media slant blaming "old people" for the Brexit is utterly retarded. Only the older folks who were adults pre-EU would truly be able to make a comparison pre-EU and post-EU in relation to how it impacted them. Sure they will find some idiot or four with "remorse" but overall I think this is a good thing for the UK in the long run, even if they're in for some chop in the short run.

 

[Cappuccino]

£9k Uni fees now probs rise up to £15k per year. Disgusting.

 

[Matthiasa]

Yes it basically was a result by people didn't understand the outcome of such a vote. If a re-vote was done even today it likely would turn out differently with literally millions there already wanting a re-vote. Some also want stipulations that any vote should have to win with >60% of the vote rather than simple majority.

That said until they invoke article 50 it doesn't mean much.

 

[dr150]

I think the tipping point and driving force was immigration.

The fact that any EU citizen can freely enter the UK and reside there pissed the English off.

There's a huge movement against immigration of "unwanteds" which they consider leeches to their social services, perpetually unemployed, lazy to integrate and learn the language, cultural agitants, and fear perpetrated by terrorism and increased crime.

More than one Brit will blame Merkel for initiating the Syrian refugee crisis and forcing other member EU nations to "absorb" what many consider her mess. But as members of the EU, you're Brussels HQ bitch and what they say goes. But Brits don't like to think of themselves as anyone's bitch.

Brits are proud and only had one leg in the EU anyways. They wouldn't even give up their currency.

The immigration issue is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[SSSnail]

I think the tipping point and driving force was immigration.

...

The immigration issue is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

So they're building the door after the foxes are already in the hen house, ate the hen, and made it their home? Surely there are better ways to deal with that then what they're doing, no?

 

[spacejamz]

Yes it basically was a result by people didn't understand the outcome of such a vote. If a re-vote was done even today it likely would turn out differently with literally millions there already wanting a re-vote. Some also want stipulations that any vote should have to win with >60% of the vote rather than simple majority.

That said until they invoke article 50 it doesn't mean much.

Why is the number of people wanting a re-vote not even close to the number who voted to remain (like 16 million)?

 

[flexy]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

That INDEED sums it up perfectly.

 

[glenn1]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

That INDEED sums it up perfectly.

A.k.a. normal democracy in action.

 

[nk215]

I think the tipping point and driving force was immigration.

The fact that any EU citizen can freely enter the UK and reside there pissed the English off.

There's a huge movement against immigration of "unwanteds" which they consider leeches to their social services, perpetually unemployed, lazy to integrate and learn the language, cultural agitants, and fear perpetrated by terrorism and increased crime.

More than one Brit will blame Merkel for initiating the Syrian refugee crisis and forcing other member EU nations to "absorb" what many consider her mess. But as members of the EU, you're Brussels HQ bitch and what they say goes. But Brits don't like to think of themselves as anyone's bitch.

Brits are proud and only had one leg in the EU anyways. They wouldn't even give up their currency.

The immigration issue is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

This.

There are many issues that pissed of the Leave people. There are only one issue that pissed of they Stay party, which is Trade.

UK citizens are sick of their neighbor who pays no tax because he/she claims that he/she has 10 kids in Romania. They don't like the fact that they have no control over who can come to their country. They don't want their money got sent to bail out failed states.

The rich hate Briexit because they no longer have access to cheap labor. They'll find a way to work around this.

Some poor folks will get shafted when the subsidized $$ from EU is gone. Can UK make up for that? no one knows but in short term, no chance.

Export/Import of goods no longer falls under the EU umbrella. That just means more paper work which = money. This hurts both parties but they'll work that out. UK, like many developed countries, import a lot of cheap agriculture products (food) and export expensive/luxury goods (cars,medicine).

IMHO, UK either pay EU more for import (you've got to eat) or just buy it from someone else. Either way it will be more expensive. For the rich folks in EU, if they want a UK car, they can't exactly gets it from somewhere else.

 

[werepossum]

Its very simple:

The elite of the western world- media elites, financial elites, educational elites, etc. - have been pushing a (self-serving) agenda of the globalization of capital and labor for decades to their own benefits. Meanwhile the "common man" (aka white and blue color thanks to education level) has seen his own status in globalized society erode while these elites have absorbed most of the globalization benefits.

The vote for Brexit (and Donald Trump and a little bit Bernie) is a vote of a lack of confidence in elites looking out for their futures going forward, with a little bit of xenophobia mixed in to put a "face" on the evils of globalization.

Well put. Unfortunately, there are plenty of useful idiots who have drunk the Kool-Aid and insist that anyone not doing as she is told by their betters is simply too stupid to know better and being led astray by lies.

 

[dr150]

Hilarious thing is that the most Googled search term in the UK AFTER elections by Brits was "What is the EU?"

This sounds so 'Murrica.

You vote on shit you don't understand, all emotional and biased, and go "all-in" ass forward, consequences be damned.

 

[sm625]

Its very simple:

The elite of the western world- media elites, financial elites, educational elites, etc. - have been pushing a (self-serving) agenda of the globalization of capital and labor for decades to their own benefits. Meanwhile the "common man" (aka white and blue color thanks to education level) has seen his own status in globalized society erode while these elites have absorbed most of the globalization benefits.

Raycisst!

 

[sm625]

Hilarious thing is that the most Googled search term in the UK AFTER elections by Brits was "What is the EU?"

What is the EU? I think its like The Iraq.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

A democratic nation took a democratic vote on the issue of EU membership and the majority vote was to leave the EU. The parliament are respecting the will of the people as is so in correctly run democratic nation and government is setting itself up to elect a new Prime Minister who is in favour of leaving the EU and can best represent the will of the people.

That Prime Minister will enact article 50 which starts a minimum 2 year process to leave the EU and negotiate deals with other EU countries.

Some people voting on both sides may not have understood the issues or voted the way they did based on false promises, there's no reason to believe that this occurred significantly more on the leave side as on the remain side. There's no evidence that people googling what is the EU after the referendum were old enough to vote nor does it tell us which way they voted, there's an underlying assumption that only the leave camp are mis-informed when there's no evidence I've seen that supports this.

In a democracy each persons vote is worth the same whether you're educated on the issue or not. And we have a 72% turnout which is incredibly high, higher than the last general election so we're very sure that this vote represents the majority will of the people.

The Prime Minister has clarified there will be no 2nd referendum and that the governments intentions are to follow through with the will of the people, I respect him taking democracy seriously despite the outcome not aligning with his own personal preferences, it's a shame that the rest of the losers of the referendum can't accept this and move on.

 

[sdifox]

52% of 72% is ~36%... so democratic.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, basically, a bunch of people voted for things they don't understand on false promises and basically now no one knows what to do?

Seems about right?

It's the UK version of Trumpism. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to feel good for a little while.

 

[MongGrel]

Yes it basically was a result by people didn't understand the outcome of such a vote. If a re-vote was done even today it likely would turn out differently with literally millions there already wanting a re-vote. Some also want stipulations that any vote should have to win with >60% of the vote rather than simple majority.

That said until they invoke article 50 it doesn't mean much.

From most things I've seen so far, a lot of people didn't take it seriously on leaving, and didn't vote, or cast a vote that to leave casually as a joke.

Might not have been a good idea.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/27/news/economy/brexit-broken-promises/

Go Drumpf D:

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Its very simple:

The elite of the western world- media elites, financial elites, educational elites, etc. - have been pushing a (self-serving) agenda of the globalization of capital and labor for decades to their own benefits. Meanwhile the "common man" (aka white and blue color thanks to education level) has seen his own status in globalized society erode while these elites have absorbed most of the globalization benefits.

The vote for Brexit (and Donald Trump and a little bit Bernie) is a vote of a lack of confidence in elites looking out for their futures going forward, with a little bit of xenophobia mixed in to put a "face" on the evils of globalization.

The lopsided distribution of the benefits of globalization isn't a problem with globalization, it's a problem with distribution of the benefits. Want to stick it to the "elites?" Vote for fiscal policies that address that and the people willing to implement them.