Help me pick a processor PLEASE!

poofyhairguy

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I have been studying in this forum and elsewhere for the answer to my problem, but each avenue just gets me more confused so I will just come out and ask the masters.

My Issue: I need a new computer to be my primary desktop. I don't play games and I never plan to play games on it. In fact there is just one task that I must do that my E4500 does not do fast enough- encode DVDs. I have recently began digitizing all my DVDs (over 100) to play on my PS3 in xh264 and my current two systems (the 3800+ at 2.6 OC and a 4500 C2D at stock speeds) don't do the job nearly as fast as I want. All other tasks will be light web browsing and basic office stuff.

As it is I am stuck between three CPUs: The Q6600, the E8400 and the soon to be released Q9300.

Now some might say "just get the q94xx," but I am determined to not spend more than $300 on a CPU (well, if it was close maybe but I bet I won't see a q94xx CPU for less than $350 for months after lanch and that is too much). Also the sooner the better as I want to get this project done as soon as possible - I would sacrifice 10% performance to gain 3 months on my project.

What I have gathered so far is that the quad cores are better at video encoding, but my singular task would seem to benefit greatly from SSE4 and a recent thread here has me believing that a E8400 with SSE4 would outdo the old Q6600 at my task. Now the Q9300 seems like the best bet for combining these two advantages but it has a lower cache than the q6600 and might be hard to get for some time (and I can get either of the other two now and start my encoding project).

I WON'T OVERCLOCK THIS SET-UP! (explained why below)

If the q9300 is going to be much better for me I will wait, but if the E8400 or the Q6600 will come close I'd rather just get one of the two and get on with my project.

Other system Details:

My motherboard is the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L. I have four sets of CORSAIR XMS2 1GB that have a 4-4-4-12 sticker on them. My power supply is a COOLER MASTER 600w and the DVD Rom drive I purchased to do the ripping on is this one (the fastest I could find):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...p?Item=N82E16827135160

Finally my case is this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811112056

Which is too small to add an aftermarket CPU cooler so I won't be able to overclock my CPU (except maybe something VERY modest).

Final Note: When I leave for work each day I put my E4500 on the task of encoding a DVD. Since I am already gone saving a few minutes off of four hours won't help me. My problem is that for a few movies (action ones usually) the encode is not done by the time I finish my 8 hour work shift and I like to put a second DVD onto encode before I go to bed. Additionally if any of these processors will give me the ability to encode two DVDs at the same speed that my current E4500 does one than that would help grealty and would be the best option for me. Basically I want to get done with this project as soon as possible and move onto bigger and better things.

Yet I will admit that I am a fool if I think that movie encoding is everything. When I bought my 3800+ X2 back in 2005 many at the time told me I was better off with a single core 4000+ since I only did basic tasks. Today I feel proud I took the advice instead of those that said that the 3800+ X2 was more "futureproof" as today I can run Vista on it much better than it would run on a 4000+. So if a certain CPU is a better value in this sense, I am willing to scarifice my primary project a little. I (like most people) like getting my money's worth.

Thank you in advance for all your help. I sure there are others like me who don't care about games (as most hardware sites/forums lean towards that task) who can benefit from this discussion as well.


 

Roy2001

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You may want Penry quad core which is not available yet. I guess Q9300 is good as cache may not benefit video encoding. If I were you, I would OC E4500 to 3.2Ghz for now while waiting.
 

poofyhairguy

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Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
Well you want SSE4 and 4 cores, I don't see what you need help in deciding....

If it was only that easy!

Here is what I can't figure out:

Will SSE4 help encoding in xh264 today or someday in the next four months by a large factor? (If no then I will just get a q6600)

Will SSE4 and a higher per core clock speed help encoding more than more cores? (If yes then I need a E8400)

Will SSE4 help my encoding so much (plus 30% perfromance gains or better) that it will overcome having a lower cache? (if so I will wait for the q9300)

Well...to a few on this forum these questions are easy...which is why I ask!
 

Tempered81

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heheh. you can nab an e8400 for less than 200 and a q6600 for less than 250. The yorkfields are going to run you over 300.

 

batmang

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
heheh. you can nab an e8400 for less than 200 and a q6600 for less than 250. The yorkfields are going to run you over 300.

Which site sells em that cheap!?
 

Tempered81

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hehe, theres plenty of places to nab a 8400 for less than 200 bucks. head on over to the hotdeals section. I had a post there started on 1/16 with about 10000 views now. where to get an e8400 for under 200 bucks & before the 01/20/08 launch.

 

krnmastersgt

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Well from what I can remember from the E8400 vs quad core argument aigo and talt had, the SSE4 helps with the video encoding but only a few programs/apps are optimized to even use the SSE4, that and the quad usually beats out the dual even with a lower freq. because twice the cores does the work faster, purely for gaming dual cores usually win but quads win in terms of encoding. Or at least I think that's what was agreed upon...in any case get either the Q6600 or wait for the Q9300, q6600 should be fine for your purposes though.
 

Tempered81

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jeez anand needs to do an OFFICIAL Q6600 VS. E8400 article to put this shit to rest... he could bench video f@h and every single video game with synthetic benches and 3dmark, then everyone could shush it.

gah

 

krnmastersgt

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Lol that would help out a bunch, but the simple fact is until everything is optimized for 4 cores and also SSE4 there just isn't a fair comparison :/ Most programs barely use 2 cores so 2 in a quad are just idle or doing very little work, as for SSE4, how many programs do you use that have it optimized?
 

krnmastersgt

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My point exactly, until the software is changed to fully use the hardware, it's going to be a lop-sided comparison and the results can be disputed over time as the software changes to fully use 4 cores/SSE4
 

poofyhairguy

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r at least I think that's what was agreed upon...in any case get either the Q6600 or wait for the Q9300, q6600 should be fine for your purposes though.

What kind of difference is everyone expecting going from the q6600 to a q9300. 10%? 20%? Not counting SSE4....
 

krnmastersgt

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Well you said you're not overclocking so there isn't really that much of a difference, Q6600 stock clocked is 2.4ghz and Q9300 is stock at 2.66ghz, the difference is that the Q9300 uses less power because of the smaller manufacturing process, Q6600 is a 65nm process and the Q9300 was made using a 45nm process developed under the name Penryn, the chips made under the Penryn process can overclock much more, but as it is, you get to save energy if you wait for the Q9300 since it uses less power, thats about the only difference you'll see without overclocking, short of SSE4 that is.