Help me get back to the basics of lifting to avoid more injury

TheNinja

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I always though deadlift was for my lower back and hit some legs as well. but on some sites I see it listed as a leg exercise. What's the deal?

Btw, I've lifted for 5 years but have always been scared of certain exercises and lifted dumb (too much weight, etc). Then I had major shoulder issues. Now's it back to the drawing board and back to the basics. I'm doing it right this time around to avoid injuries...that and the fact that I no longer care how huge or strong I get. I just want to get fit and lean.

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so now I do bench, dumbell fly, dips, tricep (pulldown, kickback, or skullcrush), deadlift, pulldowns/pullups, dumbell shoulder press, lateral raises, barbell curl, dumbell hammer curl, and that's it for now
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: Looney
Legs.

Well, it's a full body workout, but it hits legs hardest imo.

For me, I would certainly say that it hits my back the hardest, with legs getting by a close second. It is a primary exercise for the erector spinae.

The problem with deads is it is an exercise that is so easy to perform incorrectly. It took my quite a few sessions before I became comfortable with my technique.

Good luck! And keep it up, deads rock!
 

Amused

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Form is paramount. Lifting to failure means lifting to failure of form. Swinging, jerking, and general loss of form is a bad sign. A rep range lower than 6 is also bad news for everyone but the most experienced lifters.

Try this site for examples of proper form. And follow that form religiously from the first rep to the last.

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
 

screw3d

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I usually do sumo deadlifts.. and I usually feel it on the lower back and hamstrings. Should I switch to straight leg instead?
 

ThaPerculator

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Depends on what style of deadlifts... "normal" deadlifts hit the hams/glutes/erector spinae/hip flexors let alone all the supporting muscles for grip, etc...

Stiff-legged deadlifts obviously hit the back harder. There's plenty of variations, so look into it.

 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
I always though deadlift was for my lower back and hit some legs as well. but on some sites I see it listed as a leg exercise. What's the deal?

Btw, I've lifted for 5 years but have always been scared of certain exercises and lifted dumb (too much weight, etc). Then I had major shoulder issues. Now's it back to the drawing board and back to the basics. I'm doing it right this time around to avoid injuries...that and the fact that I no longer care how huge or strong I get. I just want to get fit and lean.

edit:
so now I do bench, dumbell fly, dips, tricep (pulldown, kickback, or skullcrush), deadlift, pulldowns/pullups, dumbell shoulder press, lateral raises, barbell curl, dumbell hammer curl, and that's it for now


No offense intended . . . but you've got a lot of weak exercises in there. If you are looking to get fit and lean you can probably live without regular deadlifts and just stick with machine work or bodyweight exercises (back extensions) for your low back.

It's far more important to include SQUATS in your core workout than worry about deadlifts.
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: TheNinja
I always though deadlift was for my lower back and hit some legs as well. but on some sites I see it listed as a leg exercise. What's the deal?

Btw, I've lifted for 5 years but have always been scared of certain exercises and lifted dumb (too much weight, etc). Then I had major shoulder issues. Now's it back to the drawing board and back to the basics. I'm doing it right this time around to avoid injuries...that and the fact that I no longer care how huge or strong I get. I just want to get fit and lean.

edit:
so now I do bench, dumbell fly, dips, tricep (pulldown, kickback, or skullcrush), deadlift, pulldowns/pullups, dumbell shoulder press, lateral raises, barbell curl, dumbell hammer curl, and that's it for now


No offense intended . . . but you've got a lot of weak exercises in there. If you are looking to get fit and lean you can probably live without regular deadlifts and just stick with machine work or bodyweight exercises (back extensions) for your low back.

It's far more important to include SQUATS in your core workout than worry about deadlifts.

what do you mean "weak" exercises? Like too much isolation? And I don't currently have a squat rack where I workout now. I just have one of those cheesy bench/pull down combos. i guess I can use the bench bar holder for starting point but there are no safety bars for squats.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: TheNinja
I always though deadlift was for my lower back and hit some legs as well. but on some sites I see it listed as a leg exercise. What's the deal?

Btw, I've lifted for 5 years but have always been scared of certain exercises and lifted dumb (too much weight, etc). Then I had major shoulder issues. Now's it back to the drawing board and back to the basics. I'm doing it right this time around to avoid injuries...that and the fact that I no longer care how huge or strong I get. I just want to get fit and lean.

edit:
so now I do bench, dumbell fly, dips, tricep (pulldown, kickback, or skullcrush), deadlift, pulldowns/pullups, dumbell shoulder press, lateral raises, barbell curl, dumbell hammer curl, and that's it for now


No offense intended . . . but you've got a lot of weak exercises in there. If you are looking to get fit and lean you can probably live without regular deadlifts and just stick with machine work or bodyweight exercises (back extensions) for your low back.

It's far more important to include SQUATS in your core workout than worry about deadlifts.

what do you mean "weak" exercises? Like too much isolation? And I don't currently have a squat rack where I workout now. I just have one of those cheesy bench/pull down combos. i guess I can use the bench bar holder for starting point but there are no safety bars for squats.

Stick with compound exercices and minimize isolation exercises.

Chest day should compose of flat bench, incline bench and decline bench or dips with maybe 4 sets of triceps.

Back day should compose of wide grip pull downs, narrow grip pulldown/rows, bent over, one arm dumbell rows or cable low rows and high rows.

Shoulder day should compose of shoulder/military presses, and upright rows. Throw in biceps on this day and do 4 to 6 sets using 2 to 3 exercises max.

Leg day should compose of squats, deadlifts, stiff leged deadlifts (for hamstrings) and calf raises.

Isolation exercises are a waste of time. My arms are HUGE, and I do very little, if any direct arm work most weeks. Isoaltion exercises also are the cause of most injury, because they put the most awkward stress on the joints. Chest and shoulder flys are excellent examples.

Another key to weight lifting is to minimize everything but intensity. Minimize sets, reps, and frequency, but give every set and rep everything you've got.

Split your workout into body parts and work each body part once a week:

Mon: Chest and tris
Tue: Back
Wed: Off
Thur: Legs
Fri: Shoulders and bis

Lift no more than 4 days a week, as your days off are just as important as the days you lift... these are the days your body builds new muscle.

Finally, your time lifting should be no more than one hour, with no more than 12-16 sets per day. Take long breaks in between sets and lift heavy, but maintain good form. Rep range varies by experience. Until you perfect form, I would keep your rep range at 10-12. Once you perfect form, go heavier and drop your rep range to 8-10, then 6-8. The key is to give every set everything you have, and lift to failure on every set (failure of form is failure, too).

And remember what I said about form in my previous post. I cannot stress that enough.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Freeweights > Bench

Really? Aren't benches made for freeweights?

I think you meant freeweights > machines.

That I would agree with.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Freeweights > Bench

Really? Aren't benches made for freeweights?

I think you meant freeweights > machines.

That I would agree with.

oops. I worded that totally wrong.

I meant when working out the chest, it is better to use dumbells than the bar.

At least in my opinion.
 

kongs

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Using dumbells utilizes the smaller muscles used to keep the weight stable. Dumbells may be better for athletes since they need to be able to make quick powerful movements (though they should mix up dumbell and bar), but bar is just fine for working muscles.
 

edro

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The deadlift is such a complex exercise, you really need an experienced lifter to show you how to do it. It works out the entire body and I know guys who devote entire days to bench press and deadlift only (strong man / power lifters). EXRX has animations of the exercise, but it's not good enough.

Here are some tips:
1. Wear a belt.
2. Alternate the left and right hand grip (one palm out, one palm in).
3. Wear pants.
4. When you lift, the bar should be rubbing up against your legs. You need to keep the bar as close to your body as possible. You are going to get banged up, get used to it.
5. Your entire body should be tight, from your toes to your face. As soon as you relax a muscle group while doing a deadlift, you will cause an injury.
6. Lift your toes off the mat a fraction of an inch, causing you to focus all the weight on your heels. This will help prevent knee injury.
7. Not only focus on using your legs and back, but also your stomach, chest and shoulders.
8. Have an experienced guy watch you and give you "on the fly" tips.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aimster
Freeweights > Bench

Really? Aren't benches made for freeweights?

I think you meant freeweights > machines.

That I would agree with.

oops. I worded that totally wrong.

I meant when working out the chest, it is better to use dumbells than the bar.

At least in my opinion.

I've found that it is beneficial for me to switch off every few months between barbell benches, and dumbbell benches. And sometimes, I'll even mix the two up in one workout.

Doing just one, or the other always lands me in a rut.

And yeah, you did word that wrong. :p I'd try doing dumbbell benches without the bench, but I bet I'd hurt myself. ;)