Help me decide: smaller oled tv or larger led?

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I'm pimping out my house and am at my final decision - tv. It's a small place (tv's 8ish feet away) so I'm thinking up either ugprading from a 60 inch sammy 1080p to a 65" curved led OR a 55" oled by lg. i know this is a common question -what would you go with?

update: thanks for the suggestions, I was able to pick up a 65" hdr philips set for $699, which couldn't be beat (with delivery tomorrow). If the picture's awful it's going back, but the goal's to upgrade in 2 years or so when oleds come down in price:

http://www.pcrichard.com/Philips/Ph...le-Cast-4K-HDR-Ultra-HD-LED-TV/65PFL6621.pcrp
 
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cbrunny

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If you tend to keep your TVs for ~5 years or more, I'd pick neither of these and select a mid-range 4K model, even if sacrificing a bit of size to do it. Especially at 8 ft away.
 

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I would hold out until you can get an HDR capable 65" 4K OLED for whatever your budget is. There is absolutely nothing else worth buying today unless you'll be able to buy again within a year or two. HDR is the future, and HDR on any form of LCD is nearly pointless in comparison to OLED.

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Plasma TV manufacturing has been dead for about three years now. I'm buying 4K LCD sets for use as monitors but I'm holding onto my 65VT50 for as long as possible. The 2017 4K OLED sets are tempting but I'm in no rush.

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DaveSimmons

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I'm happy with my 55" LG C7 OLED so far. 0 nits true black on a pixel by pixel basis instead of "local dimming."

The lower maximum brightness is not an issue -- the stock torch mode is way too bright just like with any LED monitor / TV.
 

AdamK47

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I like a bright display. The forced ABL in OLED TVs ruins it for me. I had one for a week last year. Returned it because of this.
 

fleshconsumed

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Neither. I'd keep the 60" 1080p until OLED prices come down.

That's actually where I am right now, I got 55" 1080p LCD and while I do get the OLED upgrade itch I can't really justify it.

However, if I had to buy today, I'd buy smaller OLED. The true blacks on OLED screens are simply amazing. Most of consumer TV viewing happens in the evening time after work with average to low lighting levels. That's where LCD TVs perform the worst and where OLED TVs with their true blacks perform the best. Smaller OLED, no question about it.
 

JimKiler

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Tough call OP, both would be decent and like others said get a non curved Samsung if you go that way.
 

ImpulsE69

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If size is the option, larger LED all the way. There is very little difference in picture quality in the 65" OLED and the 75" Sony 940E. Just saying :) Size trumps.

But alas, you are looking at 55-60 range which...in that case, go with OLED. They are cheap right now.
 

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I went through the same decision earlier this year. I went with a 65" Vizio P65 for the larger size. I have zero regrets and love the TV.
 
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Boomhower, not to dispute your TV being good, but I think that shows that you almost can't go wrong. There's several quite good TVs that unless you're someone who drives themselves crazy over did I get the right one (which you'll quickly have to deal with newer models and the like so you'll do that regardless), you'll be quite happy. And then in a few years you can replace it with something newer and better.

Personally for me, it would really depend. OP you did mention the room is fairly small, and I think that's where OLED will shine is in closer up view where you can more readily see the fine details in color gradient (like subtle shade of objects changing depending on the light source in the scene). But TVs in general you're still quite far away so not sure it'd be worth it, and so far we don't know how well these panels will hold up over a few years even.

If you tend to keep your TVs for ~5 years or more, I'd pick neither of these and select a mid-range 4K model, even if sacrificing a bit of size to do it. Especially at 8 ft away.

That's not a terrible idea, especially since there's issues with HDR standards (which are probably more important than the resolution improvement). There's some very solid and surprisingly cheap LED backlit LCD TVs. Or see if there's a decent price on a large 1080p plasma on your local Craigslist/marketplace, and then when prices have fallen and 4K content has increased, and HDR stuff gets sorted out, and then buy the biggest OLED or competitive tech you can.

I would hold out until you can get an HDR capable 65" 4K OLED for whatever your budget is. There is absolutely nothing else worth buying today unless you'll be able to buy again within a year or two. HDR is the future, and HDR on any form of LCD is nearly pointless in comparison to OLED.

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I wouldn't say that. Sony's full array LED backlit LCDs (can't recall the model range, but go to just about any site that tests and you'll quickly find them) seem to be consistently rated right in line with the LG OLEDs, while being pretty substantially cheaper for a given size. I believe the 75" size was going for cheaper than the 65" LG OLEDs for instance. They'll outdo OLED in brightness as well (personally I don't care about that as much), although that's more because they're artificially limiting the sustained brightness of the OLEDs in order to try to boost their longevity than that OLEDs can't get plenty bright. I've seen varying reports on how troublesome the autodimming on OLEDs are.

I like a bright display. The forced ABL in OLED TVs ruins it for me. I had one for a week last year. Returned it because of this.

That seems to be a very subjective thing. I've seen a lot of people that didn't have an issue with that, but I know it could bother some people for sure.

You'll be sad when that OLED burns in within the first month. I'm just saying...

From what I've gathered is, it is image retention. Not saying burn-in is impossible (there are LCDs that suffer burn-in after all), but you might have issues with image retention. Unless you're sticking to things with tickers, taskbars, or consistent graphics (game HUDs), the image retention will go away. I've seen varying reports about how serious it actually is though, so seems to be one of those things like SDE/etc where some might notice it more. Definitely has potential to be an issue like if you keep it on sports channels but like to be able to watch a movie without seeing the ticker faintly or something.
 

Ferzerp

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OLED image retention happens really fast on static images, but also goes away just as quickly. What you end up with is seeing slightly lighter hued smears where the bright parts of menus are for whatever you use to start media (xbox, ps4, built in amazon app, etc) for the opening fade in of whatever you are watching (only for things that start with black or near black. Then it is gone before the next dark scene. I've never seen an actual video to create the "issue". I suppose if you're really obsessive about that sort of thing it might bother you, but since it immediately goes away, I notice it, then forget about it.

As far as brightness, I know it won't go as bright as an LCD, but at the same time, I think to compensate for the horrible grey levels, LCD are far too bright anyway. You always have to turn the brightness down to get sane brightness levels. I prefer around 110-125 cd/m^2. Not the crazy retina burning levels that TVs often have by default.
 

DaveSimmons

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For the LG C7 OLED I turned down my brightness setting from the default 60 to 36 and I watch in dim light not total darkness. If the scale is linear it's now at 60% of the max brightness.

I use a PS3 and Roku as my DVD/BD and streaming players and I haven't noticed even temporary image retention from either of them, but then I'm not currently playing any PS3 games so no HUDs to burn in from that. I've left the PS3 home screen up for at least 5 minutes but probably never 15+.
 
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Thanks all for the very appreciated feedback.

Oled's scaring me now because of the image retention issues I'm hearing. I had plasma's for years without problems, until I had kids who perpetually would leave the tv on after they've left the room. I can almost predict a disney channel logo staring at me.

The reason I wanted a curved screen is because I have a 1/2 wall that juts out 59" (I'm guessing the prior owners were thinking about built ins) - I thought it would be imax's and immersive with basically an all screen/curved monitor. Is curved really just a gimmick? I've read reviews stating the sense of depth and immersion's increased.

These nearly as good lcds - anyone recommend brands? I have a top of the line samsung 1080p set and there's a weird contrast issue no amount of fidgeting with settings seems to fix (whites so bright they wash out detail) - I see the same when I visited best buy on the new 4k sets, any brand have a more balanced/rich picture? I particularly hate 'so bright the grays are muddy'
 
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