Help! Harddrive (IBM 75GXP) and Win98 SE don't work

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Fragmeister

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Ok, I just got myself a new IBM 45Gb hard drive from the new ATA-100 line, the 75Gxp. Well, I stuck it in, fdisk'ed it and make 3 partitions, 5, 10, and 30. I set the primary dos partition (the 5 Gb) as active and rebooted. I then formated all three partitions and rebooted yet again. Next, i proceeded to install Windows 98 Se. After the final reboot it asks me for my 98 cd which is still in the drive. It can't detect any cd-rom's once it has booted into windows!! The Via Busmaster IDE controller driver is installed, and seems to work. But, the Primary and secondary IDE controller have the yellow exclamation next to them. When i go to the performance tab under system properties it says the drives are in Ms-Dos compatibility mode. Ok, so I figure that i might as well install the newest 4 in 1 drivers from Via (4.23) but they did not work.
So, back to step 1. I booted off a boot disk, used a progrm from IBM (ZAP)to write all zero's to the master boot record. I then went into fdisk and made my 3 partitions again. rebooted and fomatted them. I used the boot disk to start up (the boot disk detects my cd drives just fine) and copied the windows 98 directory to my c drive under a new folder. I then ran setup again, and after the last reboot when it could not find the CD, i pointed it to the copy I made on my hard drive. It foudn all the fiels it needed, but the 2 ide channels were still not working and had the exclamation point. In windows explorer, it shows my 3 partitions, but no cd drives. Help!! Any more info you need, I can tell you, so please ask if you think you can help.

System Config
Athlon 850
KA7-100
IBM 45 Gb ata 100 hard drive (set to ata 66 using a utility) and connecte to IDE 1 (ata 66 port)
2 cdroms attached to IDE 2

Also, After giving up on 98, i tried installing windows 2000 Proffesional (which I am on now) and it worked just fine!! Very odd, but I need windows 98 to work! Also, all I did was install a new hard drive, my system worked just fine when i had my old hard drive installed (IBM 34 GB). Thanks in advance for any replys.
 
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Fragmeister

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Forgot 1 thing, When i tried this same drive in a friends system (I fdisked and fomatted it on his system after numerous attempts on mine) it worked in DOS. I put my drive as the master and his dive as slave when i did this operation. When I took mine out and returned his to the master, his computer booted up and said the master boot record was messed up and his drive went into MSDOS compatibility mode, and he no longer sees his CD roms and has the same exclamation marks for the primary and secondary IDE channel in the system properties.
 
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Charles

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I have the same hard drive. and I'm sure that the problem is not the hard drive itself. Check the jumpers for the cd-roms.
 
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Fragmeister

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lithium- Yes, it is the only hard drive in the system and is properly jumpered for Master.

Charles - the hard drive is set to master on IDE 1, the 2 cd roms are correctly jumpered and are on IDE 2.

All I have done to my system is take out the old HD, and put in the new one. All cables and jumper settings remained the same. And my old config had no problems.




 
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Charles - forgot one thing, can you tell me the settings you have for the drive in the BIOS. I have mine set to auto (which finds the drive and uses LBA mode, which is correct) May be the cylinders and head config is messed up using auto? But then again, why does Win 2k Proffesional work but not 98?
 
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Fragmeister

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lithium - Yeah, Bios detects everything fine. The win 98SE boot disk detects the cdrom's in dos. Just not in windows becasue of the MSDOS compatibility mode and the Primary and Secondary IDE have the yellow exclamation points in them.
 
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SocrPlyr

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are you tryin to boot straight from the win98 cd or from a floppy
cuz i had that problem and i booted from a floppy and it worked fine
 
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Fragmeister

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Lithium - It is set to 0 (master) the same jumper config that the drive shipped with. I checked jumpers as the first step, but everything is fine that way. I am thinking that Windows 98 might have problems with the 45 Gb hard drive? It works in Windows 2k Professional.
 
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Charles

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Fragmeister, the default jumper setting is set to primary auto. You don't have to change it unless you set this huge hard drive ;) as a second hard drive on the primary IDE channel (IDE1).
 
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Fragmeister

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SocrPlyr- booting from floppy

Lithium - The hard drive is on an ata 66 cable,a nd the cdroms are on the old ata 33 cables. So switching them would not be a good idea casue ata 66 needs the 80 pin, 40 connector cables.


Any other ideas? 9 fdisk's, formats, and Win 98SE installs later and I am a VERy miserable person! I have never had trouble with a hard drive before. And I have been through 4 drives in the past year (always upgrading to the latest and greatest)
 
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Fragmeister

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Charles - When you got your drive ( the 45 Gb I presume? you said you have the same drive) did you:
1) stick it in the computer, go to the bios and uses the auto detect
2) use 98 SE boot disk to partition (set primary dos as active)
3) reboot
4) format the 3 partitions
5) reboot
6) boot off floppy and istall 98



Is my problem posibly an issue with the KX-133 chipset? My 34 Gb IBM drive worked just fine on my system config.
 
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I know what your problem is. It happen to me just yesterday. You need to make sure blue connector on your ATA66 ribbon cablegoes to mobo and the other end goes to HD not the middle connector. The middle connector is for slave.
 
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Fragmeister

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.paldo - Sorry, thats not the problem. My ATA 66 connector is in correctly. Thanks anyways. Did you have the same symptoms as I did? That is interesting.
 
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Go to the IBM site and ask them - they have a place to ask questions and they respond in 48 hrs.
 
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Pariah

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Get rid of ACPI if it is enabled. Got to VIA's site and download the chipset recognition file (it is not in the 4in1 archive). And install the MS busmastering drivers instead of the VIA ones.
 
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DaddyG

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Try booting into 'Safe Mode' and look for error msgs. The last time I had this type of problem, booting normally, no CD-ROM and the yellow !!. In safe mode I got error msgs bitching about the master boot record being changed. FDISk /MBR from a boot floppy fixed my problem. Search the registry for a NOIDE entry, Windows puts this in if has problems with the IDE controllers. When installing WIN98 are you using default 98 drivers or are you installing the VIA stuff. I have found that the drivers shipped in 98 are more reliable than the VIA drivers. I am not familiar with the utility to change the drive speed to 66 from 100, does it change the MBR ??
 
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Yellow5MaF

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this is a known "issue", via says the IDE driver is only supposed to be used for old versions of Win95. Win98SE does not need bus mastering, it recognizes the via south bridge (which the K7M has) just fine. I've been having the same problem for the last few days, and about 4 reloads of windows later i finally cracked and checked the via site... here's some info for ya!

http://www.viatech.com/support/faq.htm#ide

hope this helps!
-y5
 
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Yellow5MaF

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oh yeah, without the via drivers I believe ATA can be activated in device manager, check DMA on the drive. but last time i tried this i think the via drivers came in plug and play and ruined everything. don't remember clearly, it was 4:00am this morning actually!

heheh...
 
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Fragmeister

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Pariah - ACPI is alredy disabled in Bios, I always keep that disabled. But I'll double check to make sre 98SE did not instal it anyways.

DaddyG - I tried the "noide" fix. I used fdisk /mbr , but i'll try that yet again. BTW, the utility I used was from IBM, and I did not use it until after my 6th win 98 reinstall ;)

Ethernet - I have had 3 hard drives in my system a few months back each with 2 or 3 partitions, so I do not believe that is the problem.


SniperWulf - Win 98 SE is the C: partition (5Gb) which is set to active through fdisk

Yellow5MaF - I'm looking at that link right now, thanks. I'll see if it helps.



 
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Fragmeister

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*update* I tried fdisk /mbr on both my machine and my friends machine that the drive was put into to format (1 of the 13 formats it now has recieved). This did not work :(
 
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