amdhunter
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NONONO. This is the perfect reason to stay in there for 4 more years! We must kill more in the name of freedom!
RIP to the heroes. 
Turn that whole area into a pulverized parking lot. Do the same thing in any other area where an attack happens on US soldiers. That will end it. Since we don't have the stomach for that kind of carnage, we need to get the hell out.
Turn that whole area into a pulverized parking lot. Do the same thing in any other area where an attack happens on US soldiers. That will end it. Since we don't have the stomach for that kind of carnage, we need to get the hell out.
Reports now saying 20 of the people killed were part of "Seal Team 6" that got OBL.
That's a lot of guys that won't be made up for. A SEAL I know said depending of force levels, the guys killed are about 10-12% of Seal Team 6 total. It takes two and a half years to train a regular seal - and then they often need 2 deployments before DEVGRU will consider them. Then there is 18 months of training with DEVGRU.
Lanyap
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I hate to be a conspiracist, but I have to wonder if that really happened, or if they're 'disappearing' the team to prevent them being hunted down in retribution for Osama.
Nebor
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ROFL, as if our adversaries have anything remotely approaching the intelligence, logistics and operation capabilities to "hunt down" US soldiers, much less super secret squirrel special operations dudes.
amdhunter
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RIP to the heroes.
Turn that whole area into a pulverized parking lot. Do the same thing in any other area where an attack happens on US soldiers. That will end it. Since we don't have the stomach for that kind of carnage, we need to get the hell out.
YES YES YES!!!!! LETS KILL THEM ALL!! FREEDOM!!!!
usa
USA
USA!!!!!!!!
AMERRRCA FUCK YEAAAA.
They took out 32 people who have been non-stop bombing them for a decade - let's take out their whole RACE!!!!
BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB
FUCK YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA~
Like it's really all that tough to get such information (even before wikileaks and other media outers). And in case you haven't heard, it's not that tough to take out a few soldiers here and there...been going on for a decade now. In fact if this did happen it pretty much proves my point, no?
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Jaskalas
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If it was war, we'd be killing a whole lot MORE. We're not, we're never going to. It's a sit around and get killed mission.
PottedMeat
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Nebor
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No. There has never been any evidence of a particular soldier being targeted and killed for retribution. The insurgencies of Iraq and Afghanistan are entirely based on taking targets of opportunity when they can. They lack the intelligence, logistics and operational support to do otherwise.
Nebor
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I was riding with a group of combat engineers on a route clearance mission in Southern Afghanistan. Their company of ~200 soldiers had 25 KIA by their 9th month there, almost entirely due to massive IEDs. We were trying to gather some "lessons learned" for publication. I asked their platoon leader how he'd sum up their experience and he said, "It's really boring... until you die." :|
Here's my gut feeling. The only guys sophisticated enough to figure out who were in that heli were the beloved patriot military, not because they're smart but because the U.S. has shared information with it in the past on the ops that were of lesser importance and they put two and two together and passed it on to the Taliban. There is no way it was a fluke.
There seems to be a pattern of an appetite for war - some combination of being superior by defeating others, thinking it's glory, thinking it makes our nation 'strong', romanticism, perhaps just Madeline Albright saying that we spend so much for a shiny military, what's the point if we don't use it, whatever; and then a gradual shift to realizing the downside of war, especially if it's not a quick victory, to where people get more cynical about it, 'what were we thinking?'
There are some who have already come to those realizations at the start, but the war supporters are just unable to hear anything they have to say early on.
The people warning against war are nothing but traitors or idiots or enemies to the war supporters, until the cycle shifts their opinion - when it's too late for many killed.
The military and political figures seem to largely understand this cycle, planning around it.
Remember the 'Project for a new Century', talking about public reluctance for the kind of wars they wanted for 'projecting US power' - unless a 'new Pearl Harbor' happened.
As bad as it is now to get war policy morally and responsibly addressed, I think it'll get a lot worse as wars continue to be less costly for the stronger power (us).
Things like this tragic loss have a cooling effect on some of the mindless war cheering; when we can just use drones and such with low US losses to kill many, that won't happen and there will be nothing to stop the ongoing war cheerleaders, who have a limitless appetite, basically, for more 'victories' and no concern or appreciation for the harm.
I don't see why not.
We still have Delta Force and other Seal Teams...
In fact, Delta is reported to be pretty pissed that they werent the ones called in to get OBL. But apparently Seal Team 6 did such a good job sniping the pirates and rescuing the captain in Somalia, they were chosen.
Lemon law
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I am just reminded of the Vietnam War, where we lost some 58,000 US service men and women. It was the war of my generation and it dates me, some of those 58,000 names were people I went to high school with, I can remember them as living human beings, but now they are nothing but a set of letters carved on a black granite wall. What did they die for, face the facts, they died for nothing, nothing at all other than the ego of US Presidents who pissed away their lives for nothing.
Now we are in the same type war in Afghanistan, as idiot US Presidents piss away more US lives for nothing.
But now I have to ask, is any human life, worth more than any other, be that life a Taliban member, a Afghan civilian, or a US service man or women dying in a rather senseless cause? As for me, I refuse to address that question because it has no moral answer.
But from the standpoint of the US military, losing twenty five highly trained US navy seals, is a bigger blow than losing 500 ordinary US reservists who are more in the cheap expendable cannon fodder classification.
Now we are in the same type war in Afghanistan, as idiot US Presidents piss away more US lives for nothing.
But now I have to ask, is any human life, worth more than any other, be that life a Taliban member, a Afghan civilian, or a US service man or women dying in a rather senseless cause? As for me, I refuse to address that question because it has no moral answer.
But from the standpoint of the US military, losing twenty five highly trained US navy seals, is a bigger blow than losing 500 ordinary US reservists who are more in the cheap expendable cannon fodder classification.
Lemon law
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I can't answer for anyone else, but I more see the hand of the devil in this, a devil that thirsts for human blood, and is getting a belly full of satisfaction beyond the wildest dreams of any human sadist.
Powermoloch
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