Helicobacter Pylori

[Saint Nick]

You guys might remember a couple of other threads I made about me having digestion/stomach issues the past few months.

It seems recently that my Prilosec isn't doing the trick anymore. The past few days, I have had to take AlkaSeltzer at night to settle my stomach before going to sleep. What I'm wondering, does anyone know if Prilosec loses its kick after taking it for long periods? Also, has anyone else had experience with H. Pylori?

I'm going to go to a doctor this week to get tested for it. I always told myself a few months ago that when I went in, I would bring it up... but I always managed to forget, and I took the doctor's word for it when he said I probably had acid reflux disease.

 

[mobobuff]

Guessing by the name of the condition, I'm guessing it has something to do with the pyloric sphincter? And that's on the opposite end of the stomach from the lower esophageal sphincter, but he thought you had acid reflux? Bummer.

Are you taking any of these types of medications also?

a blood thinner such as warfarin (Coumadin);

atazanavir (Reyataz);

disulfiram (Antabuse);

cyclosporine (Gengraf, Neoral, Sandimmune);

tacrolimus (Prograf);

phenytoin (Dilantin);

theophylline (TheoBid, Theo-Dur, Theochron, Theolair, Elixophyllin, Slo-Phyllin);

itraconazole (Sporanox) or ketoconazole (Nizoral);

ampicillin (Omnipen, Principen);

iron (Feosol, Mol-Iron, Fergon, Femiron, others); or

a medicine for insomnia or anxiety such as diazepam (Valium), alprazolam (Xanax), lorazepam (Ativan), temazepam (Restoril), clorazepate (Tranxene), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), and others.

Those might interfere with the Prilosec.

Have you taken the strict recommended doseage? And, is it over-the-counter Prilosec?

Info

 

[Saint Nick]

No, I'm not taking any of those things. I am taking one Prilosec per day, and it is Prilosec OTC. My doctor said that even though the box says to take it two weeks at a time every four months, it is okay to take it every day, so, thats what I have been doing since about mid-November. And now my stomach starts acting up again. At work tonight, one of my co-workers was talking to me about Helicobacter Pylori, and how he had it when he was a kid and had to take antacids every day for two years after meals. It prompted me to start thinking about my stomach problems again.

He said that he had ulcers, caused by the bacterium. A blood test revealed that he had H. Pylori, and once the antibiotics were administered, the problems went away and he said he felt great. I'm hoping the doc finds something. I'm sick and tired of being sick

 

[bersl2]

Unless you're middle-aged, it's either a H. pylori infection or, like me, it could be a combination of things that are just not good for your stomach. I was under stress from school and drinking too many soft drinks, caffeinated drinks, and acidic juices; and when I completely stopped the latter, the reflux-like symptoms nearly went away in a few weeks.

Now, it has been a different matter repairing the psychological trauma inflicted by having gone a long time wherein I felt like I was going to puke after every meal...

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: bersl2
Unless you're middle-aged, it's either a H. pylori infection or, like me, it could be a combination of things that are just not good for your stomach. I was under stress from school and drinking too many soft drinks, caffeinated drinks, and acidic juices; and when I completely stopped the latter, the reflux-like symptoms nearly went away in a few weeks.

Now, it has been a different matter repairing the psychological trauma inflicted by having gone a long time wherein I felt like I was going to puke after every meal...

Well, spring was last week, and I did drink a lot of pop, thats for sure. Maybe I should lay off of it for a while and go back to drinking strictly water.

I know how you feel/felt, though... feeling like you are going to spew after eating lunch or something. A terribly uncomfortable feeling, and I'm hoping I can get this resolved

 

[eits]

h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Guessing by the name of the condition, I'm guessing it has something to do with the pyloric sphincter? And that's on the opposite end of the stomach from the lower esophageal sphincter, but he thought you had acid reflux? Bummer.

Are you taking any of these types of medications also?

a blood thinner such as warfarin (Coumadin);

atazanavir (Reyataz);

disulfiram (Antabuse);

cyclosporine (Gengraf, Neoral, Sandimmune);

tacrolimus (Prograf);

phenytoin (Dilantin);

theophylline (TheoBid, Theo-Dur, Theochron, Theolair, Elixophyllin, Slo-Phyllin);

itraconazole (Sporanox) or ketoconazole (Nizoral);

ampicillin (Omnipen, Principen);

iron (Feosol, Mol-Iron, Fergon, Femiron, others); or

a medicine for insomnia or anxiety such as diazepam (Valium), alprazolam (Xanax), lorazepam (Ativan), temazepam (Restoril), clorazepate (Tranxene), chlordiazepoxide (Librium), and others.

Those might interfere with the Prilosec.

Have you taken the strict recommended doseage? And, is it over-the-counter Prilosec?

Info

h. pylori is a bacterium that causes ulcers. the guy that found that out won the nobel. if he does have it , just gotta take some antibiotics and it'll clear it right out

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: eits
h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

as a licensed physician, i would like to ask you what a "chiropractor in training" is doing dispensing medical advice on an internet forum. incorrect medical advice i might add.

 

[Lurknomore]

Here is the regimen I took and will prolly take again.

You will take 8 pills a day- 4 in the morning, 4 in the evening.
DONOT skip a session, if you do, immediately resume the next.

2-30 mg pills of lansoprazole- blocks stomach acid
2-500mg of clarithromycin- kills the h. pylori
4-500mg of amoxicillin trihydrate- antibiotic used to fight infections
Take 1 30mg, 1 500mg clari, and 2 amoxi tri in the morning with water before meal.
Repeat 12 hrs. later in the evening.

Go to a doctor first and get the pscription.
If after the 2 weeks, you're still not better, get tested again - biopsy, endoscopy, etc...
If the h.pylori is back, kill it again. Stomach ulcers, gastritis, possibly stomach cancer is
not funny.

I'm not kidding. Kill this sucker whatever it takes.
There are some online pharmas that don't require scripts- if you need to save $$$ on Rx, you might wanna take this route. But don't delay.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

Originally posted by: eits
h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

although antibiotics alone will treat the underlying cause (if h. pylori is in fact the underlying cause, which it is most of the time but not always), the standard treatment for peptic ulcer involves "heartburn meds" AND antibiotics.

usually it's "triple therapy" (or quadruple therapy) involving:
1. either an H2 blocker or proton pump inhibitor (both work to reduce acid in the stomach, which is increased with symptomatic h. pylori infection)
2. antibiotics
3. second antibiotics (due to widespread antibiotic resistance in h. pylori)
4. +/- bismuth or sulfacrate to protect the stomach lining

with triple therapy, success rates in treating peptic ulcer due to h. pylori are around 90%. there is some evidence that antibiotics alone are effective, however one should not neglect symptomatic treatment (i.e. pain) in the course of treating the underlying cause. note also that there is benefit of using antacid therapy to facilitate the healing of existing peptic ulcers. reference #4 notes that antibiotic efficacy is improved with concominant acid therapy.

references:
http://www.fpnotebook.com/GI106.htm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/peptic-ulcer/DS00242/DSECTION=7
http://gut.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/41/1/43.pdf
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/ab.../j.1365-2036.11.s1.4.x?journalCode=apt

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: eits
h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

as a licensed physician, i would like to ask you what a "chiropractor in training" is doing dispensing medical advice on an internet forum. incorrect medical advice i might add.

??? how is that incorrect? this is stuff that was dispelled like 10 years ago.

http://www.yourhealthbase.com/ulcer_drugs.htm

by the way, everything you learn in chiropractic school is what you'd learn at med school, and then some. it's not like it's just classes that teach you only about chiropractic treatments or adjustments or stuff about the spine. in all intents and purposes, it's med school without the air-filled psuedo-prestige.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior

Originally posted by: eits
h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

although antibiotics alone will treat the underlying cause (if h. pylori is in fact the underlying cause, which it is most of the time but not always), the standard treatment for peptic ulcer involves "heartburn meds" AND antibiotics.

usually it's "triple therapy" (or quadruple therapy) involving:
1. either an H2 blocker or proton pump inhibitor (both work to reduce acid in the stomach, which is increased with symptomatic h. pylori infection)
2. antibiotics
3. second antibiotics (due to widespread antibiotic resistance in h. pylori)
4. +/- bismuth or sulfacrate to protect the stomach lining

with triple therapy, success rates in treating peptic ulcer due to h. pylori are around 90%. there is some evidence that antibiotics alone are effective, however one should not neglect symptomatic treatment (i.e. pain) in the course of treating the underlying cause. note also that there is benefit of using antacid therapy to facilitate the healing of existing peptic ulcers.

references:
http://www.fpnotebook.com/GI106.htm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/peptic-ulcer/DS00242/DSECTION=7
http://gut.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/41/1/43.pdf

the only reason why h2 blockers/proton inhibitors are given as part of the 3-pronged therapy is to help alleviate the symptoms by reducing hcl production. they don't heal the infection. i'm not saying you shouldn't take the anti-heartburn drugs while you're taking the antibiotics or anything like that... it's used to relieve symptoms while going through the antibiotic therapy. that's not unreasonable.

what i AM saying, though, is that you shouldn't take JUST anti-heartburn meds to treat h. pylori. lots of people don't realize that the infection just gets worse, so they just keep taking more h2 blockers until they end up in the hospital having half of their stomach removed due to the infection and number of ulcers that are far too far along.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

i mostly agree with what you are saying, i just found the topic interesting.

A causal relation between H. pylori infection and the development of peptic ulcers would be supported if the bacterial infection were treated successfully with antibiotic agents alone. Thus, the demonstration that treatment with an antibiotic only regimen is effective for the healing of peptic ulcer constitutes the strongest evidence that H. pylori infection is aetiologically related to peptic ulcer disease. Some studies have shown that antibacterial therapy alone can heal peptic ulcers without acid-suppressing agents.[47-51] Two randomized studies have compared antibiotic treatment alone vs. antibiotic treatment plus a PPI.[48,51] In a pioneer study, Hosking et al. [48] randomized patients with H. pylori infection and duodenal ulcer to receive either a 1-week course of bismuth subcitrate, tetracycline and metronidazole, or omeprazole for 4 weeks with the same three-drug regimen for the first week. Duodenal ulcers healed in 92% of the patients taking bismuth, tetracycline and metronidazole compared with 95% taking omeprazole in addition to the three other drugs. Another study where H2-blockers instead a PPI was prescribed together with antibiotics, also demonstrated that eradication of H. pylori with antibiotics alone achieve ulcers healing without the need for an additional antisecretory agent.[52] Nevertheless, Wheeldon et al. [34] compared, in a randomized study, once-daily regimens, with and without a PPI, with standard, twice-daily, triple therapy. Ulcer healing after standard therapy (83%) was not significantly better than that after once-daily therapy (73%), but was better than that after therapy without PPI (65%). Finally, some authors have demonstrated that, in patients with H. pylori infection and peptic ulcers, 1 week of antibacterial therapy without acid suppression heals the ulcers as well as PPI monotherapy.[53]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501931_4

so there is some evidence that acid therapy has a role other than just pain management.

by the way, everything you learn in chiropractic school is what you'd learn at med school, and then some. it's not like it's just classes that teach you only about chiropractic treatments or adjustments or stuff about the spine. in all intents and purposes, it's med school without the air-filled psuedo-prestige.

i will say that i find this comment incredibly insulting. there may be overlap but i disagree strongly that chiropractic school teaches "everything you learn... at med school, AND THEN SOME"

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
i mostly agree with what you are saying, i just found the topic interesting.

A causal relation between H. pylori infection and the development of peptic ulcers would be supported if the bacterial infection were treated successfully with antibiotic agents alone. Thus, the demonstration that treatment with an antibiotic only regimen is effective for the healing of peptic ulcer constitutes the strongest evidence that H. pylori infection is aetiologically related to peptic ulcer disease. Some studies have shown that antibacterial therapy alone can heal peptic ulcers without acid-suppressing agents.[47-51] Two randomized studies have compared antibiotic treatment alone vs. antibiotic treatment plus a PPI.[48,51] In a pioneer study, Hosking et al. [48] randomized patients with H. pylori infection and duodenal ulcer to receive either a 1-week course of bismuth subcitrate, tetracycline and metronidazole, or omeprazole for 4 weeks with the same three-drug regimen for the first week. Duodenal ulcers healed in 92% of the patients taking bismuth, tetracycline and metronidazole compared with 95% taking omeprazole in addition to the three other drugs. Another study where H2-blockers instead a PPI was prescribed together with antibiotics, also demonstrated that eradication of H. pylori with antibiotics alone achieve ulcers healing without the need for an additional antisecretory agent.[52] Nevertheless, Wheeldon et al. [34] compared, in a randomized study, once-daily regimens, with and without a PPI, with standard, twice-daily, triple therapy. Ulcer healing after standard therapy (83%) was not significantly better than that after once-daily therapy (73%), but was better than that after therapy without PPI (65%). Finally, some authors have demonstrated that, in patients with H. pylori infection and peptic ulcers, 1 week of antibacterial therapy without acid suppression heals the ulcers as well as PPI monotherapy.[53]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501931_4

so there is some evidence that acid therapy has a role other than just pain management.

by the way, everything you learn in chiropractic school is what you'd learn at med school, and then some. it's not like it's just classes that teach you only about chiropractic treatments or adjustments or stuff about the spine. in all intents and purposes, it's med school without the air-filled psuedo-prestige.

i will say that i find this comment incredibly insulting. there may be overlap but i disagree strongly that chiropractic school teaches "everything you learn... at med school, AND THEN SOME"

we are taught the same courses and use the same books as med school. the differences are that chiropractic school is 5 academic years rather than 4, our boards are different, residency is different, and we have added courses to learn different adjustment techniques and chiropractic philosophy. by added "and then some," i'm not saying chiropractic school is better than med schools... that'd be ridiculous. i'm just saying that in addition to having to know what med school students know, we have to also know chiropractic stuff.

the reason why chiropractic schools are copycatting med schools is because it's part of what the field has to do to gain acceptance and credibility in addition to improving the types of chiropractors that go out into the world. old world chiropractors were taught in schools where there wasn't much of an emphasis of the medical field whatsoever and it was all just chiropractic philosophy and adjustments. things have changed drastically since then. chiropractors need to know stuff med students learn in order to help them decide whether the patient has a chiropractic issue, a co-management issue, or a medical issue.

for example, an old-world chiropractor would probably read this thread and talk about how chiropractic would help the op because it would increase the op's immune response to help kill the h. pylori and blah blah blah. horseshit. this is 95% a medical issue... the only way chiropractic would fit in would be to help make sure that there's no viscerosomatic or viscerovisceral reflex occurring... if i had a patient like the op in my clinic, i'd refer him out to one of my friends (an m.d.).

don't feel insulted... it wasn't meant to be an insult. a lot of people have this view that chiropractors come from some cracker jack institute or something where all they're taught is how medicine is the devil and chiropractic is the answer to all of everyone's problems... my statement was to let the poster know that it's the complete opposite and that we learn the same thing, but also learn more... not because we want to, but because we HAVE to.

 

[angminas]

Originally posted by: eits

go to a gi doctor

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: eits
h. pylori causes infection in the stomach... people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac... all that does is reduce the pain sensation, but the infection is still growing. that's why like 80% of people who stop taking heart-burn medication feel WAAAAY worse than when they started their therapy. the best way to treat h. pylori in the stomach is with antibiotic treatments. anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot. all that does is decrease the production of hcl in the stomach, which a) changes the way your stomach works, b) does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach, c) will end up causing an overproduction of hcl whenever you stop taking it because your stomach cells that produce hcl have to kinda recalibrate themselves.

go to a gi doctor and get yourself some antibiotics... stop taking heartburn meds.

as a licensed physician, i would like to ask you what a "chiropractor in training" is doing dispensing medical advice on an internet forum. incorrect medical advice i might add.

??? how is that incorrect?

i didn't want to get into this but *sigh*

your advice is incorrect because:

he has symptoms of reflux. he has no proof of h. pylori, he just asked about it. he ABSOLUTELY should be on reflux meds, either an h2 blocker or a PPI. he should go to his PRIMARY physician, not a specialist, and should get tested for h. pylori, a simple blood test. if it is positive, he should add antibiotics to his regimen AND continue an h2 blocker or a PPI. he should continue them because they are proven to improve healing with gastric and duodenal ulcers and prevent progression of dysplasia in those with barrett's esophagus. if symptoms continue, THEN he may be referred to a gastroenterology specialist.

your advice: "people keep taking retarded things like tagament and zantac...anyone who tells you to take heartburn medication is an idiot...does nothing to stop the ulcers/infection in your stomach...go to a gi doctor...stop taking heartburn meds"

ALL incorrect statements.

a little knowledge does a lot of harm sometimes. taking care of your patients is a sensitive thing. please don't go willy nilly telling them things, because you are a professional, and they will believe you. you are in training, realize that you don't know everything. you said yourself, if you saw this patient in clinic, you would refer him to an MD. please don't do differently on an internet forum. tell him to go to a physician and don't throw in your own two cents.

i usually try to stay out of medical threads, but when such gross misinformation is posted i have to say something.

 

[Farbio]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
i mostly agree with what you are saying, i just found the topic interesting.

A causal relation between H. pylori infection and the development of peptic ulcers would be supported if the bacterial infection were treated successfully with antibiotic agents alone. Thus, the demonstration that treatment with an antibiotic only regimen is effective for the healing of peptic ulcer constitutes the strongest evidence that H. pylori infection is aetiologically related to peptic ulcer disease. Some studies have shown that antibacterial therapy alone can heal peptic ulcers without acid-suppressing agents.[47-51] Two randomized studies have compared antibiotic treatment alone vs. antibiotic treatment plus a PPI.[48,51] In a pioneer study, Hosking et al. [48] randomized patients with H. pylori infection and duodenal ulcer to receive either a 1-week course of bismuth subcitrate, tetracycline and metronidazole, or omeprazole for 4 weeks with the same three-drug regimen for the first week. Duodenal ulcers healed in 92% of the patients taking bismuth, tetracycline and metronidazole compared with 95% taking omeprazole in addition to the three other drugs. Another study where H2-blockers instead a PPI was prescribed together with antibiotics, also demonstrated that eradication of H. pylori with antibiotics alone achieve ulcers healing without the need for an additional antisecretory agent.[52] Nevertheless, Wheeldon et al. [34] compared, in a randomized study, once-daily regimens, with and without a PPI, with standard, twice-daily, triple therapy. Ulcer healing after standard therapy (83%) was not significantly better than that after once-daily therapy (73%), but was better than that after therapy without PPI (65%). Finally, some authors have demonstrated that, in patients with H. pylori infection and peptic ulcers, 1 week of antibacterial therapy without acid suppression heals the ulcers as well as PPI monotherapy.[53]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501931_4

so there is some evidence that acid therapy has a role other than just pain management.

by the way, everything you learn in chiropractic school is what you'd learn at med school, and then some. it's not like it's just classes that teach you only about chiropractic treatments or adjustments or stuff about the spine. in all intents and purposes, it's med school without the air-filled psuedo-prestige.

i will say that i find this comment incredibly insulting. there may be overlap but i disagree strongly that chiropractic school teaches "everything you learn... at med school, AND THEN SOME"

we are taught the same courses and use the same books as med school. the differences are that chiropractic school is 5 academic years rather than 4, our boards are different, residency is different, and we have added courses to learn different adjustment techniques and chiropractic philosophy. by added "and then some," i'm not saying chiropractic school is better than med schools... that'd be ridiculous. i'm just saying that in addition to having to know what med school students know, we have to also know chiropractic stuff.

the reason why chiropractic schools are copycatting med schools is because it's part of what the field has to do to gain acceptance and credibility in addition to improving the types of chiropractors that go out into the world. old world chiropractors were taught in schools where there wasn't much of an emphasis of the medical field whatsoever and it was all just chiropractic philosophy and adjustments. things have changed drastically since then. chiropractors need to know stuff med students learn in order to help them decide whether the patient has a chiropractic issue, a co-management issue, or a medical issue.

for example, an old-world chiropractor would probably read this thread and talk about how chiropractic would help the op because it would increase the op's immune response to help kill the h. pylori and blah blah blah. horseshit. this is 95% a medical issue... the only way chiropractic would fit in would be to help make sure that there's no viscerosomatic or viscerovisceral reflex occurring... if i had a patient like the op in my clinic, i'd refer him out to one of my friends (an m.d.).

don't feel insulted... it wasn't meant to be an insult. a lot of people have this view that chiropractors come from some cracker jack institute or something where all they're taught is how medicine is the devil and chiropractic is the answer to all of everyone's problems... my statement was to let the poster know that it's the complete opposite and that we learn the same thing, but also learn more... not because we want to, but because we HAVE to.

As the son of a doctor and a pharmacist now, I really have to wonder why, if chiropractic school teaches "everything you learn... at med school, AND THEN SOME", chiropractors are not allowed to write anything but the most basic prescriptions and a DO has all the training a chiropractor does, they are trained through 4 years of school, years of internship & residency, where a chiropractor goes through what, 3 years of school? It is precisely that attitude of chiropractic school teaches "everything you learn... at med school, AND THEN SOME" that causes so many problems from chiropractors treating things they are never supposed to do and perpetuates the mistrust of the profession.

 

[Farbio]

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Here is the regimen I took and will prolly take again.

You will take 8 pills a day- 4 in the morning, 4 in the evening.
DONOT skip a session, if you do, immediately resume the next.

2-30 mg pills of lansoprazole- blocks stomach acid
2-500mg of clarithromycin- kills the h. pylori
4-500mg of amoxicillin trihydrate- antibiotic used to fight infections
Take 1 30mg, 1 500mg clari, and 2 amoxi tri in the morning with water before meal.
Repeat 12 hrs. later in the evening.

Go to a doctor first and get the pscription.
If after the 2 weeks, you're still not better, get tested again - biopsy, endoscopy, etc...
If the h.pylori is back, kill it again. Stomach ulcers, gastritis, possibly stomach cancer is
not funny.

I'm not kidding. Kill this sucker whatever it takes.
There are some online pharmas that don't require scripts- if you need to save $$$ on Rx, you might wanna take this route. But don't delay.

The combination you're going for there is called a PREVPak - a very very expensive course of treatment if your insurance doesn't cover it. might wanna check w/ your insurance to see if its covered prior to ur doctor visit as you can discuss some alternative ways of treating it if the PREVPak isn't covered.

 

[theeedude]

Cut down on the milk and drink kefir instead. Helped me. Had recurring stomach flu symptoms, doctors didn't find anything.