Heh, this man speaks the truth about Hurrican Katrina and african-americans!

montypythizzle

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Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:


What would you do?


What would you do if you were black?


Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.


To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.


For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the second question. If you're black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, you'll probably wait for the government to save you.


This was not always the case. Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been inconceivable. The first response would have come from black men. They would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help the rest of the community. Then local government would come in.


No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.


Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Jackson and Farrakhan laid blame on "racist" President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans , above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion. Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America , "overseeing" billions of dollars. I wonder where that money will end up.


Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform legally and practically fell first on the mayor of New Orleans . We are now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin the black who likes to yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job. The facts, unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing. As the Washington Times puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."


One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?


Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining new Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center. We know how that plan turned out.


About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.


President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks. Had New Orleans ' black community taken action, most would have been out of harm's way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.


All Americans must tell blacks this truth. It was blacks' moral poverty not their material poverty that cost them dearly in New Orleans . Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated for they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and applauding moral corruption. New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.


The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."

I just thought this was incredibly true.
 

Kwaipie

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That article is loaded with hearsay and innuendo. I guess you'd call it "truthiness"
 

Hacp

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Blacks didn't have cars to drive out of Town. The state of emergency wasnt issued until a day before the storm hit. The School Buses were never used because there was alot of traffic leading away from New Orleans, and it was deemed safter to ride it out, rather than risk being caught in the storm in a bus.
 

ahurtt

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I am evacuating this thread now before inevitable storm that it is going to cause hits. I will not come back to help those silly enough to stick around. I suggest others leave now as well or you're on your own.
 

Oceandevi

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I have noticed difference's with how humans responds to disaster. Some are more skittish I suppose.
 

JD50

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I didn't read the full OP but I don't think the problems with so many staying in the city had to do with race. When you have a whole class of people that have spent their entire lives depending on the government to take care of them, are you really surprised with what happened in NO?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
I am evacuating this thread now before inevitable storm that it is going to cause hits. I will not come back to help those silly enough to stick around. I suggest others leave now as well or you're on your own.

hehe
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: JD50
I didn't read the full OP but I don't think the problems with so many staying in the city had to do with race. When you have a whole class of people that have spent their entire lives depending on the government to take care of them, are you really surprised with what happened in NO?

yet no matter how many times they are disappointed with the governments performance, they keep coming back for more.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Blacks didn't have cars to drive out of Town. The state of emergency wasnt issued until a day before the storm hit. The School Buses were never used because there was alot of traffic leading away from New Orleans, and it was deemed safter to ride it out, rather than risk being caught in the storm in a bus.

That is absurdly untrue. The Superdome was publicly advertised as a shelter of last resort for people who could not get out of town well before the 24 hour mark.

The latest excuse I have heard for the school buses is they "had no drivers".

Katrina was supposed to be the "big one" the one we had always feared would come and demolish the city. In reality, Katrina missed New Orleans in a seriously favorable way. We thought we had dodged the bullet until the levees failed.

The state of emergency is irrelevant. The issue at the time was if the mayor of New Orleans had the legal authority to issue a mandatory evacuation. Many leaders where calling for him to call a mandatory (as opposed to the voluntary order issued much earlier) regardless if he actually had the "authority". A mandatory evacuation is simply not enforceable in a city environment but it does set other things into motion and convey the seriousness of the situation. Plain and simple, Nagin waited to long. The weathermen where begging people to get out of town before Nagin was.

I actually lived through the evacuation and the aftermath. I have a bit of perspective. (My house is 5 miles as the bird flies from the Superdome on the west bank of the river). I personally left 30 hours before we expected tropical storm conditions and I made it to just west of Lafayette in 8 hours.
 

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Blacks didn't have cars to drive out of Town. The state of emergency wasnt issued until a day before the storm hit. The School Buses were never used because there was alot of traffic leading away from New Orleans, and it was deemed safter to ride it out, rather than risk being caught in the storm in a bus.

The state of emergency was issued 3 days prior to landfall by the governor, and on her request, a federal state of emergency was issued the next day, so stop the lying.

The mayor told residents to evacuate 2 days prior to the storm's landfall, and made it mandatory a day prior to.

 

Moonbeam

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People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!
 

BrownTown

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Well first off let me just say that Moonbeam is clearly on drugs so lets just disregard his post.

However, the problem with people who make these claims is that they always seem to miss the issue. IMO the dude who wrote this is CLEARLY racist, and so is Jesse Jackson and the likes of him as well. This is NOT a black and white issue, this is a rich and poor issue and people who put this is racial overtones are completely overlooking the real problem. I'm sure educated and employed black people left the city just like the educated and employed white people. And on the same note poor uneducated white people stayed and got shafted just as bad as anyone else.

Having said that, there is a point to be made here where I think the article is correct. Among poor people there is certainly a large group who for one reason or another are unwilling or unable to take care of themselves and so look to the government to subsidize their lives. It makes perfect sense that this type of person would stay and expect help since they have been leeching off the government probably their wholes lives anyways. I know personally I cannot fathom how someone could simply sit back and expect someone else to come rescue them instead of taking the initiative and getting themselves out of the situation. Alot of people here say "don't blame the victim" etc... and I certainly will not blame anyone who due to physical health or serious mental disability was UNABLE to get themselves out of the city. However people who were simply too lazy or foolhearty to save themselves will not get my sympathy.

Also FWIW I have voted 3 times in my life twice for democrats once for a republican, just in case I get labeled a soulless conservative or idealist liberal I am in fact neither. (Or maybe I'm a soulless idealist commie nazi all rolled into one)
 

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It makes perfect sense that this type of person would stay and expect help since they have been leeching off the government probably their wholes lives anyways.
Systematic dependency. It is partly our fault for giving so much, but we lack the brass to do what needs to be done to a) save us money and b) save those we're giving money to the long course of continued dependency. Functionally, people on the government's teat are children, and yet the government lets them run amok like a bad parent, not willing to give the tough love.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

There is a whole lot of truth to what Moonbeam is saying!!

It very unfortunate that people on these forums do not comprehend MoonBeam is trying to say!!

You have to be able to think a rational things to a logical conclusion to truly appreciate the depth of what Moonbean is saying!!
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!

No such thing as a racism really. Racism is just self hate. Every racist was made to feel about himself all the hate he tries to pack into words like great person. He seeks to make the other, any kind of other, feel as bad as he.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Blacks didn't have cars to drive out of Town. The state of emergency wasnt issued until a day before the storm hit. The School Buses were never used because there was alot of traffic leading away from New Orleans, and it was deemed safter to ride it out, rather than risk being caught in the storm in a bus.

You got all the excuses do you?
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!

No such thing as a racism really. Racism is just self hate. Every racist was made to feel about himself all the hate he tries to pack into words like great person. He seeks to make the other, any kind of other, feel as bad as he.
I have unlocked the key to your philosophy on humanity. Everything, all conditions and expressions are motivated by self-hatred. Any time somebody does something bad, does something good, says something, looks at something, feels something, it's all because they hate themselves!

 

Moonbeam

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BrownTown: "Well first off let me just say that Moonbeam is clearly on drugs so lets just disregard his post."

M: I don't do drugs and you have no idea whether that is true or not. It's not really very nice to make such a charge, however, in ignorance of real facts, don't you think?

BT: However, the problem with people who make these claims is that they always seem to miss the issue. IMO the dude who wrote this is CLEARLY racist, and so is Jesse Jackson and the likes of him as well. This is NOT a black and white issue, this is a rich and poor issue and people who put this is racial overtones are completely overlooking the real problem. I'm sure educated and employed black people left the city just like the educated and employed white people. And on the same note poor uneducated white people stayed and got shafted just as bad as anyone else.

M: I think this is true and an excellent point.

BT: Having said that, there is a point to be made here where I think the article is correct. Among poor people there is certainly a large group who for one reason or another are unwilling or unable to take care of themselves and so look to the government to subsidize their lives.

M: I have given the reasons for this in a thousand posts, a point you don't see because its truth applies also to you. They are unwilling and unable to help themselves because they are examples of the worst and most obvious effects of self hate. They are engaged is self hate in the form of self destruction.

BT: It makes perfect sense that this type of person would stay and expect help since they have been leeching off the government probably their wholes lives anyways. I know personally I cannot fathom how someone could simply sit back and expect someone else to come rescue them instead of taking the initiative and getting themselves out of the situation.

M: You can't fathom what you are afraid to see, how much like them you, and not you in particular, are. We hate people who hate themselves because they mirror who we are. We love to feel that we are better, that we don't feel like they do. Sorry it's all just a mater of degree.

BT: Alot of people here say "don't blame the victim" etc... and I certainly will not blame anyone who due to physical health or serious mental disability was UNABLE to get themselves out of the city. However people who were simply too lazy or foolhearty to save themselves will not get my sympathy.

M: It, of course, has nothing to do with laziness or foolhardiness. It is all about self hate and not feeling oneself to be worth saving.

Mr. BT, it's not that I take drugs, but rather I think that I have looked more deeply into the mirror than you. That doesn't make you bad or me better, but it makes our vision different. The second line of my sig is there for the many many who have said and continue to say what you did.



 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!

No such thing as a racism really. Racism is just self hate. Every racist was made to feel about himself all the hate he tries to pack into words like great person. He seeks to make the other, any kind of other, feel as bad as he.
I have unlocked the key to your philosophy on humanity. Everything, all conditions and expressions are motivated by self-hatred. Any time somebody does something bad, does something good, says something, looks at something, feels something, it's all because they hate themselves!

I can only surmise that you reach this ridiculous conclusion because you hate yourself.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!

No such thing as a racism really. Racism is just self hate. Every racist was made to feel about himself all the hate he tries to pack into words like great person. He seeks to make the other, any kind of other, feel as bad as he.
I have unlocked the key to your philosophy on humanity. Everything, all conditions and expressions are motivated by self-hatred. Any time somebody does something bad, does something good, says something, looks at something, feels something, it's all because they hate themselves!

I can only surmise that you reach this ridiculous conclusion because you hate yourself.
In this case, I'll admit, you're right.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!


Anyone that criticizes blacks are obviously racist. Even if it has nothing to do with race, because its whites criticizing blacks then of course they are racist.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People who hate themselves always blame the victim. People who don't know how to stand on their own two feet blame people with no legs. People who are poor of spirit blame people whose heads hang low. People who were robed as children of all their inner value hate the poor. People who feel hopeless hate those who have no hope.

This is why Jesus said you will know yourself by how they treat the least among you. You treat the least among you according to how you were treated as children and made to feel. We treat the least among us with contempt.

Anything for whites to insult blacks. But Bill Cosby agrees with them so they're not racist!!!

Anyone that criticizes blacks are obviously racist. Even if it has nothing to do with race, because its whites criticizing blacks then of course they are racist.


Hatred of people of different race because of racial difference is obviously racism. I am telling you that the unobvous cause of racism, unobvious, of course to you, is that racism is a subset of self hate. I am saying that the source of all hate is hate for the self. Because we can't allow our selves to know or feel how much we hate ourselves, we can't see what racism really is, the seeing in others everything we were made to think is true of us. We can't address racism or hatred generally because we can't stand to know our own pain.
 

Deudalus

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Blacks didn't have cars to drive out of Town. The state of emergency wasnt issued until a day before the storm hit. The School Buses were never used because there was alot of traffic leading away from New Orleans, and it was deemed safter to ride it out, rather than risk being caught in the storm in a bus.

Please don't assume you know what was going on.

The previous year we had a hurricane hit the same way which was just a warm up for Katrina. Ray Nagin let the people stay in the Superdome which is free with free supplies and so people just assumed they could do it again.

The sad fact is that a large percentage of the people who stayed did so because it was the end of the month and they were just about to get another government check. They did not have the funds to leave and they knew The Dome would be open for them.

I'm not judging them for it, I'm not putting any racial anecdotes onto any of it, its just fact.

 

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Originally posted by: BrownTown

However, the problem with people who make these claims is that they always seem to miss the issue.


Actually, everyone here is really missing the issues. You need to seperate them out.

1) Who was responsible for disaster planning and response? In this case it was (in this order) the city, state, and federal government.

2) Was the disaster planning or respone hampered by racial issues? IMHO it is possible. More importantly though, it would have been hampered by local/state racial issues as the federal government played no significant role.



More than anything at all, Katrina was a complete CF from the disaster planning perspective. There was essentially no significant effort to plan for this kind of disaster and we have now seen the results of such a policy.