Heartland Institute attacks Pope's position on Climate Change

[Subyman]

Last time I checked AT wasn't a climate website so what does it matter what he discloses here or not regarding that topic. People are free to find information (as they have) for themselves.

If AT is going to allow a Social forum they had better get used to this. He isn't trying to sell anything. Heck, he didn't even bring up his website, someone else did.

To be completely clear, this is not an AT issue at all.

I am personally interested. The amount of money being thrown around by both sides through think tanks is insane. The only reason I was interested is because most of his posts on AT are targeted to this single topic. I found it interesting that he showed up after 2 years of no posting when someone linked his article. Pingback brought him here? Again, just personally curious. And his website is his name and is linked through his profile page.

Interestingly, some of us clicking through to his website that Doc linked probably brought him to us

 

[Subyman]

The Nazis were all about how it's ethical to disclose conflicts of interest when engaging in advocacy. It's what they're best known for.

I'm not educated on every way you can call someone a nazi apparently

 

[xBiffx]

To be completely clear, this is not an AT issue at all.

I am personally interested. The amount of money being thrown around by both sides through think tanks is insane. The only reason I was interested is because most of his posts on AT are targeted to this single topic. I found it interesting that he showed up after 2 years of no posting when someone linked his article. Pingback brought him here? Again, just personally curious. And his website is his name and is linked through his profile page.

Interestingly, some of us clicking through to his website that Doc linked probably brought him to us

I understand where you were coming from now. What does his posting history, frequency, etc. have to do with wanting him to disclose funding. I find this interesting too but I think it goes to far to start asking people to divulge information like that just to participate in a Social forum. If you want more information, Google-fu your way too it.

I'll bet you are right on he second point. Big brother is watching you.

 

[Subyman]

Then pro-AGW websites should disclose any funding they receive from "green energy" suppliers or people who stand to profit from cap and trade schemes.

We'd be better off if both sides would fade away and let the science speak for itself. If man-made climate change is possible and is happening, I'd rather us know through actual science than through misdirection. That goes both ways.

 

[xBiffx]

I'm not educated on every way you can call someone a nazi apparently

What you asked for seemed a lot like asking for papers just for driving down the road.

 

[Paratus]

AT's terms of service does have something to say about using the forums to promote a business. A limited amount of advertising is allowed in the form of signature links and avatar logos.

However if you are here to drum up business as a guerrilla marketer they have banned folks for that in the past. Although in those cases it was for promoting items AT reviews. I don't think the social forums need as tight of control as the technical forums do.

I think part of being a credible poster means you should volunteer any direct involvement you have with a topic but I don't think that failure to do so in a social forum in a topic AT doesn't cover should be a bannable offense.

On a tangent, does anyone else find it ironic that Poptech advertises his site in his avatar but then accused people of stalking when they visit the site he's advertising.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

On a tangent, does anyone else find it ironic that Poptech advertises his site in his avatar but then accused people of stalking when they visit the site he's advertising.

I assume that was from people visiting other forums he posted in, not his site. Quite frankly when you claim impartiality on a subject then you open yourself for criticisms of your past discussions on that topic. I've seen nothing to lend to impartiality IMHO.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Heartland institute = yet another propaganda dishonesty factory.

 

[Subyman]

I understand where you were coming from now. What does his posting history, frequency, etc. have to do with wanting him to disclose funding. I find this interesting too but I think it goes to far to start asking people to divulge information like that just to participate in a Social forum. If you want more information, Google foo your way too it.

I'll be you are right on he second point. Big brother is watching you.

He's completely free to participate, but my personal opinion of someone changes if they are being financially supported by a certain cause, which is why I'm interested. The reason being the fact that they are immoveable in their opinion because they are financially, not necessarily logically, tied to it. I didn't mean to express any wide sweeping policy suggestion for this website or other discussion groups.

I don't think everyone here needs to divulge their personal conflicts or potential funding. The issue for me arose when he advertises himself as an agent of his commercial website and only came here for narrow reasons.

Looking at how this has panned out, I shouldn't have brought it up because it has completely obfuscated the issue. That is what funding questioning nearly always does, so I'll definitely hold my tongue next time. :$

 

[JSt0rm]

Heartland institute = yet another propaganda dishonesty factory.

All that needs to happen is to create enough doubt to keep things flowing. By the time people realize they are fucked it will be too late. Besides the oil companies want to melt the arctic ice as it opens up more oil opportunities.

 

[dainthomas]

All that needs to happen is to create enough doubt to keep things flowing. By the time people realize they are fucked it will be too late. Besides the oil companies want to melt the arctic ice as it opens up more oil opportunities.

Having the energy to power our civilization is worth the trade off of killing a few polar bears or whatever. Anyone who thinks everything you use could be powered off solar/algae/wind or whatever other nonsense is delusional. The only thing that could come close to meeting the need is nuclear.

What's powering the computer that allows you to complain about the evils of fossil fuels to everyone in the world?

 

[Subyman]

Having the energy to power our civilization is worth the trade off of killing a few polar bears or whatever.

Trivializes the effects. "Or whatever" includes losing coast line, relocation of ideal agricultural land, increased carbonization of the oceans resulting in oceanic ecology fluctuations, and wide sweeping economic impacts of migration. The effects of a warmer climate are hardly considered negligible, nearly everyone does not want to see warming happen. If and why are the hot button issues.

Anyone who thinks everything you use could be powered off solar/algae/wind or whatever other nonsense is delusional.

Hardly anyone thinks that.

The only thing that could come close to meeting the need is nuclear.

True.

What's powering the computer that allows you to complain about the evils of fossil fuels to everyone in the world?

So he can't debate the issues of fossil fuel use without using a solar powered computer? The message isn't tainted by the pen.

 

[BurnItDwn]

All that needs to happen is to create enough doubt to keep things flowing. By the time people realize they are fucked it will be too late. Besides the oil companies want to melt the arctic ice as it opens up more oil opportunities.

They know that if you repeat the same lie over and over, human psychology says that they will get believers.

 

[JSt0rm]

Having the energy to power our civilization is worth the trade off of killing a few polar bears or whatever. Anyone who thinks everything you use could be powered off solar/algae/wind or whatever other nonsense is delusional. The only thing that could come close to meeting the need is nuclear.

What's powering the computer that allows you to complain about the evils of fossil fuels to everyone in the world?

oh shut the fuck holy roller. I dont give a fuck about global warming. If you bothered to read all my posts in this thread you would know that. Doesn't mean I dont see whats going on.

 

[JSt0rm]

They know that if you repeat the same lie over and over, human psychology says that they will get believers.

They need to just call it what it is. We wont be alive to feel the real hard effects and fuck those people that are. They are going to be bigger shitheads then us anyhow plus they will have unlocked immortality, assholes.