Heartland Institute attacks Pope's position on Climate Change

[thraashman]

Koch-backed group sending ‘real scientists’ to school Pope Francis about ‘Biblical duty’ to pollute

Holy crap has the Heartland Institute gone off the deep end. They actually believe that abusing the planet to the point of destruction is their "biblical duty".

“Humans are not causing a climate crisis on God’s Green Earth – in fact, they are fulfilling their Biblical duty to protect and use it for the benefit of humanity.

Here's the Heartland Institute's own article about this.

The danger that groups like the Heartland Institute with their massive funding from the Koch brothers, some of the worst polluters in history, pose to the safety of this planet is undeniable. Ignoring the vast majority of scientific data because it might make their millions in profits each year be slightly less isn't just morally wrong, it's reprehensible and should be criminal. It's pretty impossible to deny at this point as 97% of scientists agree that the Koch's are raging assholes.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

97% agree! Lie #1.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

 

[glenn1]

Koch-backed group sending ‘real scientists’ to school Pope Francis about ‘Biblical duty’ to pollute

Holy crap has the Heartland Institute gone off the deep end. They actually believe that abusing the planet to the point of destruction is their "biblical duty".


Here's the Heartland Institute's own article about this.

The danger that groups like the Heartland Institute with their massive funding from the Koch brothers, some of the worst polluters in history, pose to the safety of this planet is undeniable. Ignoring the vast majority of scientific data because it might make their millions in profits each year be slightly less isn't just morally wrong, it's reprehensible and should be criminal. It's pretty impossible to deny at this point as 97% of scientists agree that the Koch's are raging assholes.

Will God forgive you for the sin of knowing fossil fuels were wrong and using them anyway? Was the message of Jesus simply to commit slightly less adultery and then you'd be cool, since at least you were trying? Or are you in tight with the Big Guy since you cherry pick the Climate Change Commandments you like or don't apply to you such as "Thou shalt not drive an SUV" and use them to bash who don't keep as kosher as you?

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm betting the Pope will be on Galileo's side this time round.

 

[senseamp]

I guess Oil > God for the GOP

 

[Moonbeam]

Probably the best way to deal with climate change is to nationalize fossil fuel production.

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess Oil > God for the GOP

What is GOP, God Of Profit?

 

[fskimospy]

97% agree! Lie #1.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

Looks like DSF got duped again. To combat the claim that they were misidentifying people's papers they also invited researchers to self-rate, and it was 97% yet again.

You have to be careful about badly biased sources, DSF. They will keep lying to you as happens to you so often.
Link to the actual paper:
http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...5/the-incredible-rarity-of-changing-your-mind


^^^ 7pm central this will be available

 

[irishScott]

*shrug* And back in the day big tobacco funded studies to show cigarettes were safe. It's just the way of things, we'll get past it in time. The world will warm a little, the effects will become personally apparent to even the most vehement denier, and after a good amount of human suffering serious action will finally be taken. We've already started to lay the groundwork for said action by various programs and efforts, efforts which are only accelerating on average. Solar is growing extremely quickly (although it's still a tiny fraction of total power generation), and emissions are leveling off.

In the meantime it's not worth wasting energy fuming over something we can't affect.

 

[K1052]

The Heartland Institute is nothing but a front for the large fossil energy companies and not even a very good one. They are basically a joke here in Chicago.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like DSF got duped again. To combat the claim that they were misidentifying people's papers they also invited researchers to self-rate, and it was 97% yet again.

You have to be careful about badly biased sources, DSF. They will keep lying to you as happens to you so often.
Link to the actual paper:
http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

Category No. of Papers
1 65
2 934
3 2934
4 8269
5 53
6 15
7 10
Total 12280

Lies.

 

[Meghan54]

Probably the best way to deal with climate change is to nationalize fossil fuel production.

Naaa, the best way is to do what some states are doing, just making it illegal to even mention it anywhere in official state documents, talks, literature, studies, etc. Virginia, Florida, among others, have taken this road. Guess that'll work.

 

[finglobes]

Its always funny to witness the Dem circus get bent out of shape over Kochs while letting Soros be their puppet master. Likewise all the hair pulling about "foreign money" when Dems like Hillary and Obama suck it up like addicts. They just hate competition “We need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment,” Hillary Clinton

 

[nickqt]

Its always funny to witness the Dem circus get bent out of shape over Kochs while letting Soros be their puppet master. Likewise all the hair pulling about "foreign money" when Dems like Hillary and Obama suck it up like addicts. They just hate competition “We need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment,” Hillary Clinton

Soros isn't a puppetmaster. He dumps money onto his own causes, usually things that don't specifically make his bank account bigger.

Ohhhh, that George Soros, class traitor extraordinaire. He's like the Kochs, only he isn't spending money to make money.

 

[fskimospy]

Category No. of Papers
1 65
2 934
3 2934
4 8269
5 53
6 15
7 10
Total 12280

Lies.

Yes, you have bought into lies...again. What you just linked right there confirms the paper's finding. You realize that, right?

I'm quite familiar with the study, and the 97% number is pretty solid. (It comes from both the researchers themselves and the authors of the studies self-rating) As per your previous link, you got duped again.

Remember, sources, sources, sources. Well that, or at some point it's hard to think of you as just some overly credulous fool and figure that you're knowingly parroting climate denier bullshit.

 

[Meghan54]

“We need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment,” Hillary Clinton

And this is bad because?

To paraphrase the mantra the right used to get the Patriot Act passed, "If you have nothing to hide, why would it matter if it passes?"

So why are so many on the right so afraid of being exposed as huge donors to the right? Why must the donations be secret? C'mon.....surely they have nothing to hide, right?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes, you have bought into lies...again. What you just linked right there confirms the paper's finding. You realize that, right?

I'm quite familiar with the study, and the 97% number is pretty solid. (It comes from both the researchers themselves and the authors of the studies self-rating) As per your previous link, you got duped again.

Remember, sources, sources, sources. Well that, or at some point it's hard to think of you as just some overly credulous fool and figure that you're knowingly parroting climate denier bullshit.

Here's the quote from the link.

He called on anyone with “open ears” to fulfill their moral duty to seek the truth on climate change – which 97 percent of scientists agree is likely the result of human activities.

Surely you know this is complete bullshit.

 

[thraashman]

Here's the quote from the link.



Surely you know this is complete bullshit.

I love that your own link proves you wrong and yet you're still arguing.

 

[nickqt]

I love that your own link proves you wrong and yet you're still arguing.

Projection + Cognitive Dissonance = Modern Conservatism

 

[fskimospy]

Here's the quote from the link.

Surely you know this is complete bullshit.

I'm not sure where the confusion is, as I said before the 97% figure is pretty solid. I linked the paper it is from, a paper that I am pretty familiar with.

Pope got it right. You see unlike the Heartland Institute his position on whether climate change is happening or not doesn't come from an ideological place so he's free to just accept the science, which is overwhelming.

 

[Bitek]

Category No. of Papers
1 65
2 934
3 2934
4 8269
5 53
6 15
7 10
Total 12280

Lies.

What are you trying to prove with this? Of papers that took a position, it's 4000:78, or 98% for AGW.

Is your aim to dilute the % with a bolus of papers that no position was offered? If so, how do you think this helps you?

Even with your math, denial of AGW is 78:12200. That's a support level against AGW of 0.006%

Bravo.

 

[smackababy]

Here's the quote from the link.



Surely you know this is complete bullshit.

Surely, this is complete trolling. I refuse to believe anyone self owns this hard, except perhaps McOwned himself.

 

[xBiffx]

I'm not sure where the confusion is, as I said before the 97% figure is pretty solid. I linked the paper it is from, a paper that I am pretty familiar with.

Pope got it right. You see unlike the Heartland Institute his position on whether climate change is happening or not doesn't come from an ideological place so he's free to just accept the science, which is overwhelming.

What are you trying to prove with this? Of papers that took a position, it's 4000:78, or 98% for AGW.

Is your aim to dilute the % with a bolus of papers that no position was offered? If so, how do you think this helps you?

Even with your math, denial of AGW is 78:12200. That's a support level against AGW of 0.006%

Bravo.

Surely, this is complete trolling. I refuse to believe anyone self owns this hard, except perhaps McOwned himself.

The sheer lack of math skills here is mind blowing. How in the hell can you get even close to 97% when the majority of the papers have no position one way or the other?

 

[fskimospy]

The sheer lack of math skills here is mind blowing. How in the hell can you get even close to 97% when the majority of the papers have no position one way or the other?

The sheer lack of reading skills here is mind blowing. The study specifically states 97% of papers that expressed a position on climate change. You didn't even need to read the paper, you just had to look at the abstract.

The reasons for only rating papers that expressed a position on AGW one way or the other should be self evident.