Heartbreaking news :(

Trevelyan

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This morning my dad told me about an emotional phone call he recieved late last night from a missionary in Haiti.

His name is Keith Lashbrook and he is a missionary with his family in Haiti. Since 1998 they have been in this empovershed nation. They built and maintain an orphanage in Haiti. Here is a picture of some of the kids in one of their orphanages. I know these people and they are a wonderful family; they are missionaries with the mission agency that my dad is president of, GME.

Anyways, last night around 9:00 five men armed with guns stormed into the orphanage and beat up several Haitians and Americans, including children. They were finishing a prayer meeting and had not locked down for the night. The men forced everyone to lay on the ground, threw bottles at a young girl and hit her in the back of the head. They threatened to kill, and were not afraid of using violence.

Keith refused to lay on the ground, and told the men that he was there to protect his family and the children and that they would have to shoot him before he would let them get hurt. No one was shot, but several were beaten; one Haitian helper there was particular beaten up badly.

They stole over $4,000 and some material things too I believe. The children at the orphanage are all very frightened, and Keith and his wife are struggling to keep everyone calm.

He talked to my dad last night crying, asking how to protect his family from these men who would rob an orphanage and beat up children! The facility itself has 12 foot tall walls, but Keith has not wanted to keep weapons in the facility, but may do so now because of this incident, or get guards of some kind.

Everyone is real shook up about the whole ordeal, and I just want to plead with you all to keep this family and these children in your thoughts and prayers.

If you want to read a little about these people, their website is here.

This is truly a tragedy and it breaks my heart to hear this news. :(
 

dug777

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bad shiat :(

that happened to our Solomon Island missionary friends quite regularly :p
one was even beheaded :(
 

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My dad is making a lot of calls. Right now they are throwing the idea around of going down to Haiti next week just to console the people there. They might also bring a retired military guy to help advise with security issues... the main priority now is just protecting these kids. Everyone realizes that this just can't happen again because these children cannot handle this kind of trauma.
 

Eli

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Huh. I typed a long reply out to this thread, and it was locked.. Now it's back from the dead.

hmph.
 

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It's too bad in semi-lawless countries like Haiti that the ordinary citizens don't band together to protect themselves and take care of the thugs and outlaws. Sometimes violence is the right answer.
 

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Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.
 

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Gurck, that's the most cold-blooded thing I've heard in a looong time.
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.
Yup. If they are really interested in helping people in need they should just join an NGO. Otherwise, they are proselytizing, and should just leave people to their own religions.
 

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Originally posted by: huesmann
Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.
Yup. If they are really interested in helping people in need they should just join an NGO. Otherwise, they are proselytizing, and should just leave people to their own religions.

Perhaps you should let people there make their own minds up as to if they want to join a particular religion. In the mean time NGOs await you.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: huesmann
Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.
Yup. If they are really interested in helping people in need they should just join an NGO. Otherwise, they are proselytizing, and should just leave people to their own religions.

Perhaps you should let people there make their own minds up as to if they want to join a particular religion. In the mean time NGOs await you.

When something's stuffed in your face along with a helping hand it can be hard to make up your own mind. Missionaries destroy cultures.
 

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
It's too bad in semi-lawless countries like Haiti that the ordinary citizens don't band together to protect themselves and take care of the thugs and outlaws. Sometimes violence is the right answer.

It is a real shame, indeed. Haiti is such an unorganized country, it is truly a mess and so many people are just at the mercy of thugs.

Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.

They are in Haiti voluntarily caring for the poor and giving abandoned children a loving place to eat, sleep and live. It is dangerous, yet important work that shows how truly caring they are to put themselves in harm's way for the sake of children and poor people they had never before met.

I definately feel compassion for them. They are helping these people in a practical way, doing so much more for these people than any of us, and to see them physically attacked by natives of Haiti and then criticized by citizens of their own wealthy country really tears me apart.
 

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I have no want to leave the US unless its to perform my duties for my country.
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.

Well if these people were not there... what would happen to those orphans? I know some people who just came back from Haiti after visiting an orphanage. There was 1 American and maybe 6 Hatians working there. They each cared for about 10 children. There was not even enough time for the workers to sit and hold the babies. When this guy went to visit Haiti he told me how the little children and babies would just cling to him. Those children are deviod of love and touch. They get thier basic needs barely taken care of. If that lone missionary in that one orphange was not there, all of those children would probably be dead. How is this work amoral?
 

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.

They are in Haiti voluntarily caring for the poor and giving abandoned children a loving place to eat, sleep and live. It is dangerous, yet important work that shows how truly caring they are to put themselves in harm's way for the sake of children and poor people they had never before met.

I definately feel compassion for them. They are helping these people in a practical way, doing so much more for these people than any of us, and to see them physically attacked by natives of Haiti and then criticized by citizens of their own wealthy country really tears me apart.
But helping is only a part of it. I'd like to see them do it without shoving christianity down peoples' throats, then it'd be selfless. But they wouldn't do that... And there are plenty of homeless & poverty-stricken people in the US.
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
When something's stuffed in your face along with a helping hand it can be hard to make up your own mind. Missionaries destroy cultures.

I know these people, and they are not what you are implying they are. They will take in anyone and everyone they can, regardless of religious background, and they don't force any beliefs on anyone, they merely ask to share their faith in a peaceful, loving, non-compulsary way. How do they show their faith? They give meals, shelter and love when other do nothing.
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Proselytizing is amoral & dangerous work. They either knew the risks or were naive. I'm not saying they deserve such treatment - they don't - but I find it difficult to feel any compassion for them, and certainly won't help them out financially.
Sadly enough, I feel the same way, although I wasn't really going to come out and say it in the first posts of the thread.....

I'm not really sure why... I wouldn't have a few years ago. Some sort of inner contempt towards that, I guess.
 

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: Gurck
When something's stuffed in your face along with a helping hand it can be hard to make up your own mind. Missionaries destroy cultures.

I know these people, and they are not what you are implying they are. They will take in anyone and everyone they can, regardless of religious background, and they don't force any beliefs on anyone, they merely ask to share their faith in a peaceful, loving, non-compulsary way. How do they show their faith? They give meals, shelter and love when other do nothing.

You say pot-ah-to, I say pot-ay-to...
 

Trevelyan

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Originally posted by: Gurck
But helping is only a part of it. I'd like to see them do it without shoving christianity down peoples' throats, then it'd be selfless. But they wouldn't do that... And there are plenty of homeless & poverty-stricken people in the US.

The poverty in Haiti is incomparable to the poverty we see in this country. Please read my post above about how they share their faith.
 

Eli

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Don't get me wrong... helping people is always a good thing. I am sure they are sincere in their wanting and willingness to help people.

But you should help people to help people, not help people to teach them about God[religion].....
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: Gurck
When something's stuffed in your face along with a helping hand it can be hard to make up your own mind. Missionaries destroy cultures.

I know these people, and they are not what you are implying they are. They will take in anyone and everyone they can, regardless of religious background, and they don't force any beliefs on anyone, they merely ask to share their faith in a peaceful, loving, non-compulsary way. How do they show their faith? They give meals, shelter and love when other do nothing.

You say pot-ah-to, I say pot-ay-to...

But I speak from personal knowledge of these people, you are speaking without that.

Please, this isn't P&N. If you don't agree with what they are doing that is fine, but please try to keep comments at least somewhat compassionate. This man's children were nearly killed in front of him.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Originally posted by: Gurck
But helping is only a part of it. I'd like to see them do it without shoving christianity down peoples' throats, then it'd be selfless. But they wouldn't do that... And there are plenty of homeless & poverty-stricken people in the US.
The poverty in Haiti is incomparable to the poverty we see in this country. Please read my post above about how they share their faith.
Never been to a big city & seen real homeless people eh?
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
But I speak from personal knowledge of these people, you are speaking without that.

Please, this isn't P&N. If you don't agree with what they are doing that is fine, but please try to keep comments at least somewhat compassionate. This man's children were nearly killed in front of him.
Personal knowledge changes this ... how? They can tell themselves whatever they want, but the truth is they're doing it to aid in the spread of their religion and wouldn't if they weren't allowed to "share" it.

This certainly isn't P&N; if it were we'd be callling each other names by now. There's no requirement to show compassion however, especially since I don't feel any. They got themselves into a mess by trying to exert their will on others and they can get themselves out of it for all I care.

I've said that they don't deserve what they got, and that's all you're getting.
 

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Originally posted by: Eli
Don't get me wrong... helping people is always a good thing. I am sure they are sincere in their wanting and willingness to help people.

But you should help people to help people, not help people to teach them about God[religion].....

You are assuming there is no benefit from knowing about God, but a great many people would not agree with that. The truth is, a lot of these people want to hear about God and are glad that this man has given up his time to talk to them. I've seen people's lives changed, and the thankfulness they have after you share your faith with them is not something you can ignore or discount.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
But I speak from personal knowledge of these people, you are speaking without that.

Please, this isn't P&N. If you don't agree with what they are doing that is fine, but please try to keep comments at least somewhat compassionate. This man's children were nearly killed in front of him.
Personal knowledge changes this ... how? They can tell themselves whatever they want, but the truth is they're doing it to aid in the spread of their religion and wouldn't if they weren't allowed to "share" it.

This certainly isn't P&N; if it were we'd be callling each other names by now. There's no requirement to show compassion however, especially since I don't feel any. They got themselves into a mess by trying to exert their will on others and they can get themselves out of it for all I care.

I've said that they don't deserve what they got, and that's all you're getting.
Rough, but reality.

Granted, we don't know that they were really pushing their religion, but you wouldn't go under the title "missionary" if you weren't, I don't think.