Heard on the radio yesterday that Mcveigh's execution will be on the internet...good/bad?

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Heard about this on the way to work yesterday. Supposably there were so many family members involved in this cased that want to witness his execution, they can not fit all of them into the viewing area. The internet has been proposed as the means of allowing all of the family members to watch it.

Now I am for the death penalty, but even with some very stringent security, I still think that this has potential for some very, very bad abuse. I just don't think that this is a very "healthy" idea to promote.

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tontod

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I dont think this is a good idea to promote either. Broadcasting this on the internet only serves to sensationalize. Everyone knows what a terrible crime he committed.
 

John

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Give him the chair....electric chair that is.
 

Soybomb

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While I do agree with the death penalty, I think when we get to the point where we want to see such a thing is where we're getting to be too animalistic. Public hangings beheadings in town square are a backwards idea I think and this is no different. If you want to watch someone die I think you're a bit twisted :)
 

luv2chill

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yep... by taking pleasure in someone else's death you're getting down to the level of the murderer.

If they want the family members to have the right to watch it, why not set them all up in an auditorium and transmit live video that way? If they're set on using the Internet, at least put it on some sort of secure link so they're the only ones who can get in.

I'm not in their shoes, but I would never choose to watch and take pleasure in someone else's death.

The family members may think that it will ease their pain, but I highly doubt that. It doesn't bring their family members back.

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Moonbeam

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If we are going to have a death penalty those who support it should all have to push a button somewhere with some unknown push being the one that does the job. It should be manditory watching for proponents
 

Ronstang

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I'm a proponent of the death penalty for the scum who commit crimes deserving of it's sentence. Moonbeam, if you are implying that the same people who support it are those who don't want any of the responsibility then you are mistaken. I for one would push the one and only button to commence the execution and I am not a murderer or a violent person. You seem to have things backwards, it is liberals that are afraid of personal responsibility. Conservatives think a man is responsible for his own actions, while liberals think society is responsible for the individuals actions.
 
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Well, it said the internet was a 'proposed' method, but this doesn't mean they are going to make it public. I seriously doubt they will have it up on CNN streaming down for everyone to see at their will.
 

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I'm all for it, when this country had public executions there was less capitol crime. You didn't just have some picture in your mind what the consequences were, you had seen it happen to others. Back then as well as now no one forced you to watch. What &quot;abuse&quot; would you be refering to?
Wasnt this guy partly responsible for the death of many people? Too animalistic, maybe you could write a letter to the deads' families and lay it on 'em. &quot;yep... by taking pleasure in someone else's death you're getting down to the level of the murderer&quot; sentiments of a true bleeding heart moron.

 

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Makes an even better deterrent and I'm all for it. After what he did you bet I'd watch.
 

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<< If we are going to have a death penalty those who support it should all have to push a button somewhere with some unknown push being the one that does the job. It should be manditory watching for proponents >>



We do! It's called the Justice System. We elect Citizens to enforce the law, so in effect we all DO push the button.

And again certain Citizens watch and are witnesses.

Why Family Members want to watch is beyond me.:(
 

Thom

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i have to agree with Tominator. *oh my goodness i've come over all funny* ;)

 

Thom

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not that i actually approve of the death penalty, but Tom's statements are definitely true.
 

skywhr

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THEY SHOULD BLOW HIS ARSE UP BIT BY BIT WITH M80's, FARGIN BASTICH
Start with his toes, ankles, shins, work their way up little by little make it as painful as possible!
 

Yeeny

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I am totally against the death penalty myself. That said, I would never tell the family members of one who was murdered that they were wrong for wanting it, and wanting to know that the person who caused them so much pain is no longer able to enjoy his life. If that were my children, I can pretty much guarantee I would feel the same way. But to broadcast it is disgusting. The risks alone of having pictures of his death published all over the internet are too high to mess with. What if ten years down the road, one of the people whose child he murdered is surfing the net, and see's something like that? It will bring everything back to them, and the death sentence is supposed to bring them some sort of peace. And the thought of some sicko sitting there laughing over his pictures makes me ill. He is paying the highest penalty for his crimes, and he should at least be allowed to die in peace. Besides, this just brings us one step closer to PPV on death row, which already has been discussed way too many times.
 

They should not broadcast the execution. It will only make him out to be a martyr for his twisted cause. If it were up to me this bastard would rot in prison the rest of his life, rather than getting out easy by being executed.
 
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I personally am opposed to the death penalty, but I generally think all executions should be accessible to the public, and not just the victims' families.

I am skeptical of the broad-based benefit of executing people since the judicial process is fraught with error and there is no demonstrable deterrent effect from the death penalty. I have no particular concern for the well-being and civil rights of known killers (to the extent there really is such a thing), but I have real misgivings about the process.

That said, I am even less comfortable with the process of executions being hidden from public scrutiny, and frankly I think people who advocate the death penalty have a moral obligation to reap what they sow by seeing at least the occasional defendant pleading for his life before having it zapped out of him. The executions in Florida's Old Sparky have been particularly horrifying in a few cases in recent years, and I think the public should know what they are pushing for.

In this instance, though, I think it is clear that McVeigh (who has been convicted of perhaps the most heinous crime in American history and for whom I have NO love) wants to revitalize the militia movement by making himself a martyr. If the choice were mine I would think very carefully about whether to give him what he wants by making this particular execution a public spectacle, even one limited to the victims' families. I have grave doubts whether watching a man die will really bring them satisfaction anyway.
 

Electric Amish

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Is it lethal injection?

If so it'll be boring.

Give me some electric chair action with people exploding and catching on fire!! :)

amish
 

FettsBabe

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If all the families want to see him executed...so be it. I still don't believe in the d.p. though. However, if there ever was a case, and if he really is guilty (only God and himself now), then he probably should be.
 

Just curious. For people who are against the DP, is it because you do not think anyone has the right to take someone's life, or because you do not think it is punishment enough?
 
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As I said, I am primarily against the DP because the judicial process, like any human enterprise, is highly error-prone (and as such dozens of DP residents have been freed since the advent of affordable DNA testing), the DP has been shown to have essentially zero deterrent effect, and I take issue with giving the government the authority to kill its residents.