Healthcare reform, changes go into effect today

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sactoking

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Since this is a "healthcare reform change" going into effect soon, I thought I'd post it here. I first caught wind of it on FoxNews.com and verified with several other news agencies (I like to read partisan news on both sides to see what everyone is saying). I guess it has been mentioned in the press as far back as March but noone really caught on until now.

Much like financial reform has unintended consequences (making companies issue 1099 for all accounts with >$500 in purchases) so does healthcare reform: starting January 1, 2011 all people with HSA/FSA accounts will be required to get a prescription for over-the-counter medication. Failure to do so so will result in the purchase being taxable and a penalty of 20% being added on. Additionally, FSA/HSA cards will no longer be able to be used to purchase OTC products.

Seriously? This is ridiculous. This HAS to change. With more and more people being stuck with HDHPs and HSA/FSA accounts this is just a kick in the nuts to people already struggling under an out of control health system.
 

werepossum

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Since this is a "healthcare reform change" going into effect soon, I thought I'd post it here. I first caught wind of it on FoxNews.com and verified with several other news agencies (I like to read partisan news on both sides to see what everyone is saying). I guess it has been mentioned in the press as far back as March but noone really caught on until now.

Much like financial reform has unintended consequences (making companies issue 1099 for all accounts with >$500 in purchases) so does healthcare reform: starting January 1, 2011 all people with HSA/FSA accounts will be required to get a prescription for over-the-counter medication. Failure to do so so will result in the purchase being taxable and a penalty of 20% being added on. Additionally, FSA/HSA cards will no longer be able to be used to purchase OTC products.

Seriously? This is ridiculous. This HAS to change. With more and more people being stuck with HDHPs and HSA/FSA accounts this is just a kick in the nuts to people already struggling under an out of control health system.

Makes perfect sense - once you realize that the whole purpose of the Democrats' health care bills are to make everyone dependent on government. Health savings accounts are kryptonite to Democrats. (Would that be kleptonite?)
 

trenchfoot

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So we have a bastardized plan going into effect. A half-ass plan which, if I understood it correctly, includes many provisions authored by the repubs and blue dogs that watered the plan down a lot and then was immediately denounced by them once the crippled plan was approved?

How convenient it is that the repubs had a lot to do with how the plan looks from stonewalling and obstructing and exploiting the bipartisanship Obama was offering, then turn right around and deny they had anything to do with the ultimate result.

Is that fair to say?
 
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Londo_Jowo

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Since this is a "healthcare reform change" going into effect soon, I thought I'd post it here. I first caught wind of it on FoxNews.com and verified with several other news agencies (I like to read partisan news on both sides to see what everyone is saying). I guess it has been mentioned in the press as far back as March but noone really caught on until now.

Much like financial reform has unintended consequences (making companies issue 1099 for all accounts with >$500 in purchases) so does healthcare reform: starting January 1, 2011 all people with HSA/FSA accounts will be required to get a prescription for over-the-counter medication. Failure to do so so will result in the purchase being taxable and a penalty of 20% being added on. Additionally, FSA/HSA cards will no longer be able to be used to purchase OTC products.

Seriously? This is ridiculous. This HAS to change. With more and more people being stuck with HDHPs and HSA/FSA accounts this is just a kick in the nuts to people already struggling under an out of control health system.

The company where I work sent an email stating the changes to our plan based on the new law. Prescriptions for over the counter drugs for FSA accounts were amongst the changes.
 

bfdd

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tweaker2, didn't the Dems basically brag for months that they didn't need the Republicans to pass this bill?
 

sactoking

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So we have a bastardized plan going into effect. A half-ass plan which, if I understood it correctly, includes many provisions authored by the repubs and blue dogs that watered the plan down a lot and then was immediately denounced by them once the crippled plan was approved?

How convenient it is that the repubs had a lot to do with how the plan looks from stonewalling and obstructing and exploiting the bipartisanship Obama was offering, then turn right around and deny they had anything to do with the ultimate result.

Is that fair to say?

Actually, without the legislative history of the bill, I would say that's not a fair assessment. I personally have no clue what was "original" and what was "amended" and I don't believe either side's claims about such issues.
 

trenchfoot

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tweaker2, didn't the Dems basically brag for months that they didn't need the Republicans to pass this bill?

LOL, I may have said that myself awhile back.


Sactoking, yeah, I have to agree with you that the surest way to qualify what I mentioned is to hit the legislative history resarch guide and start thumbing. Thanks
 

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After doing research for health insurance, a lot people think it is easy to pick. It is not easy to pick a plan. You have to pick a plan based on deductible, co-insurance, out-of-pocket, and the monthly fees. A lot of people go for the prices instead of quality of service. The new Act covers the people that goes for cheap health insurance instead of just paying for a good plan. The new Act does not make health insurance any more affordable after it take in effect. The following is my opinions.


Young adults can remain on their family's health plan until they turn 26.
To me this already given, so this has not changed. Yes that is right it is already given in my state. This statement in the law just give it self a stupid point.

A lot people here do not understand that students are still in college when they are 26, so stating they should be out of college when they are 23 does not serve everybody. Since we are in the depression, people have gone back to school to get a degree. They could be getting their masters or doctorate. Some might be just starting going to college, so be careful stating 23 is when you are stated as an adult. Things have changed. Most students at this age are living with their parents. The economy is very, very poor.


Free immunizations for kids.
Depending on the health insurance and what group plan. This is already free. The cost of flu shots is cheap compared the costs of hospital expenses. Just make sure where you get the immunizations are in your network.


Free preventive care, like mammograms and cholesterol screenings.
This can not be done because the employees that do the tests are not machines. They need food, water, and shelter. It takes about two years for a lab technician to get their certificate to work at these facilities. It is a job opportunity or provides more jobs in the market.

These tests are not expensive if the insurance companies does cover some of the costs. Usually the tests are not covered, so you have to pay the whole price which can be very, very expensive. This law should be changed that you should not be denied covered of any tests even though you may have a pre-existing condition.


No more lifetime coverage limits, and annual limits start to phase out.
This can cause bankruptcy for health insurance companies. The limits are usually high as 3 million or others is 5 million dollars. The limits are there to save health insurance asses. Having no limits is like having unlimited Internet bandwidth. There is a limit because physics does not allow to have unlimited.


Plans can't cancel coverage for people who get sick.
This is more of a slap in health insurance companies instead of the person signing up for the cheapest health insurance they can possibly get. Though someone needs to define sick because it does not seem severe.

If they define sick as in common cold and the plan got cancel, then I can understand this statement in the new law. For getting a severe sickness that makes it hard for health insurance companies to cover then this law should be changed into something else that insurance companies are required to contact the person to change the plan.


No denial of coverage to kids with pre-existing health conditions.
When I was growing up, this is already been given. Insurance companies do not insure the first 6 months and then they cover after that. In other states, I can understand why this is included in the new law because other states may not be part of a group. Though it will be nice it covers adults than just kids because there are some adults that do not have any insurance because of a pre-existing condition or they do have insurance, but the insurance company does not cover pre-existing condition.


What is very, very stupid is it took 2500 pages for Affordable Heath Care Act that only has 6 main laws in it. It seems that they got printer happy and it deters people away from reading this new Act.