Healthcare reform, changes go into effect today

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Whole article here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100922/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_health_overhaul
More changes and info here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_q_a

FALLS CHURCH, Va. – President Barack Obama sought Wednesday to reintroduce his signature health care bill to skeptical voters who don't like or understand it six months after it became law.

Just six weeks before midterm elections expected to punish Democrats, the president surrounded himself in a Virginia backyard with people who benefited from the law — a hemophiliac fearful of lifetime coverage limits that will now be eliminated, a senior citizen who got help with her heart medications.

Acknowledging that the economy is the foremost concern, Obama nonetheless insisted, "Health care was one of those issues that we could no longer ignore."

He highlighted some new reforms that take effect at the six-month mark Thursday, including new coverage for preventive care and young adults being able to stay on their parents' health care plans until age 26.

"I thank you from the bottom of my heart," one woman present, Norma Byrne of Vineland, N.J., told the president, explaining she was benefiting from the law's provisions that are closing the prescription drug coverage gap in Medicare.

Such gratitude isn't the norm. A new AP poll finds just 30 percent of people in favor of and 40 percent opposed to the 10-year, nearly $1 trillion bill to extend health coverage to 32 million uninsured. Another 30 percent were neither in favor nor opposed. The poll also found a high level of misunderstanding of what's actually in the bill.

Obama acknowledged he himself bears some responsibility for that.

"Sometimes I fault myself for not being able to make the case more clearly to the country," the president said.

Among benefits taking effect this week:

_Young adults can remain on their family's health plan until they turn 26.

_Free immunizations for kids.

_Free preventive care, like mammograms and cholesterol screenings.

_No more lifetime coverage limits, and annual limits start to phase out.

_Plans can't cancel coverage for people who get sick.

_No denial of coverage to kids with pre-existing health conditions.

Look at that list. How could the Dem's pass such a monstrosity? Clearly they hate America and every red-blooded American in it. Eyes wide open. Wide awake. Repeal and replace!
 

PJABBER

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"Free" is not free, people who pay insurance premiums pay for these.

You can't ignore actuarial analyses.

How about a link to the increased premiums these "free" benefits cost?
 
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yeah, for this year's premiums... Just wait until people see the jump for next year's premiums.

F'n socialist fools.

Yes, look at all the socialism in that list! How dare we expect private industry to actually be held liable to do what they're paid to do? Death Panelz!!1!
 

Throckmorton

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"Free" is not free, people who pay insurance premiums pay for these.

You can't ignore actuarial analyses.

How about a link to the increased premiums these "free" benefits cost?

Everything is paid for in the end. You could have been the one paying by watching your mother die because she didn't get a breast cancer screening early enough, or putting your child in the ground because he couldn't get health insurance for a heart defect he was born with, or being unable to do anything while your brother wastes away after insurance used recision to drop him because dialysis isn't profitable.

Of course such things never happen to YOU, it's always someone else, so fuck 'em.
 

Thump553

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yeah, for this year's premiums... Just wait until people see the jump for next year's premiums.

F'n socialist fools.

You obviously don't pay your own health insurance premiums. Those of us that do have been getting reamed for years now by double digit annual increases.

In my state there are three major health insurers. Only two have so far announced their requested double digit increase for 2011 so far-and those two publically put the blame on the health care bill for the increase. Neither of those two bother to mention the costs of the massive Taj Mahal class brand new corporate headquarters each built this year.

Political philosophy should not be used as a mask to con the public. Especially given that the bulk of the reforms don't kick in for four more years.
 

CADsortaGUY

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You obviously don't pay your own health insurance premiums. Those of us that do have been getting reamed for years now by double digit annual increases.

In my state there are three major health insurers. Only two have so far announced their requested double digit increase for 2011 so far-and those two publically put the blame on the health care bill for the increase. Neither of those two bother to mention the costs of the massive Taj Mahal class brand new corporate headquarters each built this year.

Political philosophy should not be used as a mask to con the public. Especially given that the bulk of the reforms don't kick in for four more years.

Uh, I do pay attention you twit. Do you have any idea about WHY some of these increases have happened? Let me guess, regulation was ignored...

The answer isn't MORE regulation and rules - it's LESS. It gives the consumer MORE options instead of ramming them all into higher cost plans.
Insurance is about risk - I should be in a risk pool with like people but instead(due to regulation) I'm in the same pool as the guy who eats McDs every day, is overweight, and has dozens of prescriptions. It's asinine.
 

dank69

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Uh, I do pay attention you twit. Do you have any idea about WHY some of these increases have happened? Let me guess, regulation was ignored...

The answer isn't MORE regulation and rules - it's LESS. It gives the consumer MORE options instead of ramming them all into higher cost plans.
Insurance is about risk - I should be in a risk pool with like people but instead(due to regulation) I'm in the same pool as the guy who eats McDs every day, is overweight, and has dozens of prescriptions. It's asinine.
Yes, less banking regulations turned out great for this country, don't you think?
 

Thump553

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Sure CAD, let's deregulate heath insurance so every fly by night can run a scam. Great idea. Or do you promote the GOP doctrine that we should be able to buy health insurance from the state that has the most lax regulations? I amazed that you GOP doctrinaires never learned anything from history in your race to the bottom plans.

I'm sure you've read every health insurance POLICY (not just the descriptive pamphlets) you've ever had, plus done a full financial due diligence on the prospective insurer, right? Or are you going to place your reliance upon the worst state insurance regulators in the country-for that is where the "low-cost" "insurers" would run their scam mills out of if the ludicrious GOP health plan ever became law.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Sure CAD, let's deregulate heath insurance so every fly by night can run a scam. Great idea. Or do you promote the GOP doctrine that we should be able to buy health insurance from the state that has the most lax regulations? I amazed that you GOP doctrinaires never learned anything from history in your race to the bottom plans.

I'm sure you've read every health insurance POLICY (not just the descriptive pamphlets) you've ever had, plus done a full financial due diligence on the prospective insurer, right? Or are you going to place your reliance upon the worst state insurance regulators in the country-for that is where the "low-cost" "insurers" would run their scam mills out of if the ludicrious GOP health plan ever became law.

wow, so much trash...

Nowhere did I say zero regulation. It seems you people are trying to defend excess regulation by claiming the other side wants zero. Just not going to fly here... try to be honest next time. :)
 

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Those who can not pay should be wheeled out for those who can. problem solved.
 

CADsortaGUY

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That's odd, because I thought that the activities that led to the meltdown were illegal before 1999... :whiste:

lol, keep trying there junior, someday you might be able to see past the leftist talking points.
Here's a hint, think about all the financial regulation that's been going on and changing over the years. Now again try to claim it was one piece. :)


But sure, lets pile on more regulation to an already bizarre healthcare and health insurance industry. Surely that'll make it cheaper.... right? :rolleyes:
 

dank69

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lowering regulations doesn't cause stupidity.
And it doesn't seem to magically fix everything, does it?

EDIT: Besides, I don't see what is stupid about selling out the american economy to make millions of dollars. The people that did it are richer than ever and barely received any more than a wrist slap, if anything.
 
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Doboji

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Yes, look at all the socialism in that list! How dare we expect private industry to actually be held liable to do what they're paid to do? Death Panelz!!1!

You clearly lack the ability to understand the opposing viewpoint. Which makes you utterly useless to the conversation.
 

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Yay for adult children now able to play WoW in their parents basement until the age of 26.