Healthcare changes: must read

nealh

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Please I implore you read this article:

The changes are IMHO beyond scary:
Please read this link
http://finance.yahoo.com/insur...l?mod=insurance-health


also additional info
REPORT FROM INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY:

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised -- with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN BILL (per Media Matters):

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED. -- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 [2013] if the following conditions are met:

(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT. --

(A) IN GENERAL. -- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED. -- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.

 

nealh

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oh this is very correct...read the first link.

Good Luck on getting your future healthcare...gatekeepers preventing you seeing doctors you want, gov't panels making decision on testing and treatments.

No way to go outside the govt system either. Physicians will be forced to comply and you will not be able to self pay for better treatment.
 

dphantom

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Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Prove it..show me where they are wrong..Have you read this worhless bill.
 

blackangst1

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I would like to see links and discussion that show:

1. Why it would be best for the federal government to decide what IS and what ISNT a qualified health plan, and what the benefits would be having the federal government decide what the minimums should be in those plans;

2. Explain how a community rating will a: save me money, and b: provide better care than what Im getting now, and finally c: how premiums for minimal/healthy lifestyle plans WONT increase because of community ratings;

3. Why having a minimal healthcare plan with high deductibles for healthy people should be taken away, and effectively forced to carry insurance they dont need. This would be similar to states requiring full coverage on vehicles that are worth $500. Why should my choice of healthcare be decided by the federal government, and how would that make me a healthier person?

4. Tell me how if Im enrolled in an ERISA employers plan it is in my best interest to be forced to enroll in a new plan in 5 years? (Ever hear the line "You wont have to change plans!"? BULLSHIT. You will in 5 years.)

5. Situation now: I see en endocrinologist and a retinal doc once per year. Explain to me how having to have my primary doc manage that care, and its expenses, is best for me, especially when its a known fact many docs under similar HMO's "bonus" for denying care?

I have read the previous thread, and was involved in it as well. I have yet to get an answer.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Wrong again. You're ignoring what the bill as written says and projecting what you think you know and want which is a government run and mandated healthcare system.
 

Daverino

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The author states that these are 'freedoms' that we already have. That's the myth here, in my mind.

1. You never had freedom to choose completely what is in your plan. Most plans and states have already set a minimum set of care. The gov't plan will set a national level minimum so there is a base level of care. So you will lose the freedom to choose an inadequate level of health care? So what. You do not lose the ability to gain more health care if you want to pay for it, which is the implication.

2. You certainly never had this freedom. Every insured American pays a huge subsidy to provide free emergent care to the uninsured. The government health plan will insure these people who are already jacking up your health care costs. If you're young and healthy and insured you're already paying a ton of extra money into your plan to pay for the young and healthy and uninsured guy that got in a car crash.

3. As in point 1, the government is reducing the impact of high risk health plans that end up on the community's dime. It is true that people can use high deductible plans as described in the article. More often they're used by the young and indestructible. And then when they're hurt they either are faced with medical bankruptcy or getting free emergent care.

4. This is pretty much obvious. If health care reform is going to change how insurance in the country works, the obviously your insurance is going to change. The point in the article makes no comment as to whether the care you would receive would change. Straight up F.U.D.

5. You never had this choice under your existing insurance. If a doctor didn't take the insurance you were signed up for, you couldn't choose that doctor unless you were willing to pay out-of-pocket. Nothing changes. Companies change their insurance providers as a matter of course now, looking for cost savings. I have lost my PCP before because my company changed insurance plans.
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Wrong again. You're ignoring what the bill as written says and projecting what you think you know and want which is a government run and mandated healthcare system.
Look at his profile. He doesn't have a dog in the fight.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Wrong again. You're ignoring what the bill as written says and projecting what you think you know and want which is a government run and mandated healthcare system.
Look at his profile. He doesn't have a dog in the fight.

Yeah, I know exactly where he comes from and have known. He is making no argument, simply spewing the government is everything and all what you need. Just give up everything and trust some bureacrat to decide for you.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
I would like to see links and discussion that show:

1. Why it would be best for the federal government to decide what IS and what ISNT a qualified health plan, and what the benefits would be having the federal government decide what the minimums should be in those plans;

2. Explain how a community rating will a: save me money, and b: provide better care than what Im getting now, and finally c: how premiums for minimal/healthy lifestyle plans WONT increase because of community ratings;

3. Why having a minimal healthcare plan with high deductibles for healthy people should be taken away, and effectively forced to carry insurance they dont need. This would be similar to states requiring full coverage on vehicles that are worth $500. Why should my choice of healthcare be decided by the federal government, and how would that make me a healthier person?

4. Tell me how if Im enrolled in an ERISA employers plan it is in my best interest to be forced to enroll in a new plan in 5 years? (Ever hear the line "You wont have to change plans!"? BULLSHIT. You will in 5 years.)

5. Situation now: I see en endocrinologist and a retinal doc once per year. Explain to me how having to have my primary doc manage that care, and its expenses, is best for me, especially when its a known fact many docs under similar HMO's "bonus" for denying care?

I have read the previous thread, and was involved in it as well. I have yet to get an answer.

Anyone?

edit: and for the record, Im in favor of reform, just not how the Dems are presenting it. IMHO they arent tackling the REAL issue, which is cost. So Im honestly interested in specific answers.
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: Daverino
The author states that these are 'freedoms' that we already have. That's the myth here, in my mind.

1. You never had freedom to choose completely what is in your plan. Most plans and states have already set a minimum set of care. The gov't plan will set a national level minimum so there is a base level of care. So you will lose the freedom to choose an inadequate level of health care? So what. You do not lose the ability to gain more health care if you want to pay for it, which is the implication.

The govt will use panels to determine what is appropriate for you...not your physician. Where do you think this ends up? in your best interest...nope

2. You certainly never had this freedom. Every insured American pays a huge subsidy to provide free emergent care to the uninsured. The government health plan will insure these people who are already jacking up your health care costs. If you're young and healthy and insured you're already paying a ton of extra money into your plan to pay for the young and healthy and uninsured guy that got in a car crash.

do you know how this got started? Some hospitals would try to dump a no pay pt on a say a university hospital where they knew there were state or govt subsidies...clearly wrong and needed a fix, but not what we got. The fix mandated anyone who goes to ER gets care, if not the hospital risked loss of all govt medicare payments etc. So guess what this got quickly abused.

You do not need govt getting into the fix. You can develop cost effective clinic and the earaches, colds etc...go there, not ER. Small urgent care facilities much cheaper and efficient.

3. As in point 1, the government is reducing the impact of high risk health plans that end up on the community's dime. It is true that people can use high deductible plans as described in the article. More often they're used by the young and indestructible. And then when they're hurt they either are faced with medical bankruptcy or getting free emergent care.

need a bit more to how this ends up on the community if there is health plan..is it catastrophic care??

4. This is pretty much obvious. If health care reform is going to change how insurance in the country works, the obviously your insurance is going to change. The point in the article makes no comment as to whether the care you would receive would change. Straight up F.U.D.

The problem is your insurance is not changing its disappearing ...you will be left with one choice and one choice only the govt plan. Within 5yrs of implementation, there will be no private insurance and the govt dictates everything

BTW, there is no way to go outside the plan and get the care you want ieven if you want to pay, as physician will not be allowed to do this.

5. You never had this choice under your existing insurance. If a doctor didn't take the insurance you were signed up for, you couldn't choose that doctor unless you were willing to pay out-of-pocket. Nothing changes. Companies change their insurance providers as a matter of course now, looking for cost savings. I have lost my PCP before because my company changed insurance plans.

Did you know most insurances have exceptions to this rule, you have to apply for it. Also this sucks for sure, but this is still better than being told you go to a gatekeeper and then get triaged if you meet citeria, so to speak.

The bill is garbage.... lets screw the 95% with insurance to give 5% without. Costs need containment for sure..but when does the gov't ever get involved the costs go down? Medicare has a $400 billion budget, 20% is waste

You can fix the broken parts without overhauling the system so that we dont lose the best parts and not spend a $1 trillion(oh BTW, I read that the govt estimates on the cost of Medicare when it was introduced in 1965 were about 7x too small)


I prefer not having the govt make my healthcare decisions. I do not want the morons who are writing this crap telling me what is best for my family.
 

BarrySotero

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Prozac Nancy Pelosi called insurers "villains" this week. The bill will allow gov to control insurance profits. The Marxocrats are going to gut the private health-care sector - among other things. I don't know how we can survive these maniacs when they can't even run a government cheese for "clunkers" program. Most disgraceful admin in US history by far.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Wrong again. You're ignoring what the bill as written says and projecting what you think you know and want which is a government run and mandated healthcare system.
Look at his profile. He doesn't have a dog in the fight.

Yeah, I know exactly where he comes from and have known. He is making no argument, simply spewing the government is everything and all what you need. Just give up everything and trust some bureacrat to decide for you.

Read the other thread, it was DEBUNKEd. End of discussion.
 

Xellos2099

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What is debunked? The article clearly state that all current insurance plan will be grandfathered.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Why again? You're vocabularly may be limited but if you can read the OP, then you should be able to have an intelligent discourse regarding the why of your position. I think this article acurately represents the bill as currently written and what will happen. Why do you think otherwise?

Already discussed, already debunked. The article is BS, only focusing on a few parts, but ignoring the parts that contradict the articles stupid conclusions.

Wrong again. You're ignoring what the bill as written says and projecting what you think you know and want which is a government run and mandated healthcare system.
Look at his profile. He doesn't have a dog in the fight.

Yeah, I know exactly where he comes from and have known. He is making no argument, simply spewing the government is everything and all what you need. Just give up everything and trust some bureacrat to decide for you.

Read the other thread, it was DEBUNKEd. End of discussion.

Only in your mind. Anyone else who actually considers the issue knows otherwise. Besides, what are you whining about. You've got your socialized health care. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is debunked? The article clearly state that all current insurance plan will be grandfathered.

only for 5yrs

The bill gives ERISA employers a five-year grace period when they can keep offering plans free from the restrictions of the "qualified" policies offered on the exchanges. But after five years, they would have to offer only approved plans, with the myriad rules we've already discussed. So for Americans in large corporations, "keeping your own plan" has a strict deadline. In five years, like it or not, you'll get dumped into the exchange. As we'll see, it could happen a lot earlier.

The outlook is worse for the second group. It encompasses employees who aren't under ERISA but get actual insurance either on their own or through small businesses. After the legislation passes, all insurers that offer a wide range of plans to these employees will be forced to offer only "qualified" plans to new customers, via the exchanges.

 

SandEagle

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A Japanese doctor said, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced that we
can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him
looking for work in six weeks.'

A German doctor said, 'That's nothing, we can take a lung out of one
person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four
weeks.'

A British doctor said, 'In my country, medicine is so advanced that we
can take half of a heart out of one person, put it in another, and
have them both looking for work in two weeks.'

A Chicago doctor, not to be outdone said, 'You guys are way behind. We
took a man with no brains out of Chicago, put him in the White House,
and now half the country is looking for work.'
 

PJABBER

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OK, I am finished with my croissants au beurre and my café crème so I am pumped to go out further on the looong limb I am on and post again! And then I must absolutely get to work. Maybe more later! (I know, you can't wait!)

First, a disclaimer - I love Camille Paglia. No, I am not in love with Camille (she is not my type and I know for a fact that I am not hers,) I just happen to share her love of well turned phrases, her sharp insights and her taste in music, especially Brazilian artists such as Daniela Mercury. What more can a man ask of anyone?

The following article is truncated so that the focus can be on her comments about Obama's healthcare horror. Her words, her title, not mine, but you get the picture. You can read the whole article by clicking through. I also recommend that interested readers check out her other writing, she really is that good.

I first wanted to include this piece in the same thread as the Are liberals seceding from sanity? article by Michael Lind, but that has gotten so distorted by race baiting that I just couldn't do justice to Camille by doing so. Maybe we will get anti-feminist posts in response to this thread? Hmmm?

The woman adores Barack Obama, sees him as the epitome of a cool, sober, deliberative President. She hates Bush. (Are you liberals loving her now?) She is also a libertarian kind of Democrat, you will get the sense of that in her writing here if you have not read her work before.

This piece is a literary rant, done in her inimitable style, against the status quo, the Establishment of both parties and the mismanagement of government and of process. Her comment would not be out of place at one of the townhalls occurring this month around the country and broadcast everywhere.

It is very much a critique of the liberal Left and another cry for sanity in a Democrat Party that has lost its fragile moorings with the intoxication of power.

I share her views in this perspective - I would rather the Democrats regain some semblance of sanity than continue to speed us all down the road to ruin. Unfortunately, that does not seem a likely outcome, despite the gathering concern of Democrats like Lind and Paglia. It seems we will have to wait until 2010 to correct course.

Let the wailing and the gnashing of tiny teeth begin!

Obama's healthcare horror

Obama's healthcare horror
Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

By Camille Paglia

Aug. 12, 2009 | Slate.com

Buyer's remorse? Not me. At the North American summit in Guadalajara this week, President Obama resumed the role he is best at -- representing the U.S. with dignity and authority abroad. This is why I, for one, voted for Obama and continue to support him. The damage done to U.S. prestige by the feckless, buffoonish George W. Bush will take years to repair. Obama has barely begun the crucial mission that he was elected to do.

Having said that, I must confess my dismay bordering on horror at the amateurism of the White House apparatus for domestic policy. When will heads start to roll? I was glad to see the White House counsel booted, as well as Michelle Obama's chief of staff, and hope it's a harbinger of things to come. Except for that wily fox, David Axelrod, who could charm gold threads out of moonbeams, Obama seems to be surrounded by juvenile tinhorns, bumbling mediocrities and crass bully boys.

Case in point: the administration's grotesque mishandling of healthcare reform, one of the most vital issues facing the nation. Ever since Hillary Clinton's megalomaniacal annihilation of our last best chance at reform in 1993 (all of which was suppressed by the mainstream media when she was running for president), Democrats have been longing for that happy day when this issue would once again be front and center.

But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting the most colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation since the Bush administration snookered the country into invading Iraq with apocalyptic visions of mushroom clouds over American cities.

You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you're happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.

I just don't get it. Why the insane rush to pass a bill, any bill, in three weeks? And why such an abject failure by the Obama administration to present the issues to the public in a rational, detailed, informational way? The U.S. is gigantic; many of our states are bigger than whole European nations. The bureaucracy required to institute and manage a nationalized health system here would be Byzantine beyond belief and would vampirically absorb whatever savings Obama thinks could be made. And the transition period would be a nightmare of red tape and mammoth screw-ups, which we can ill afford with a faltering economy.

As with the massive boondoggle of the stimulus package, which Obama foolishly let Congress turn into a pork rut, too much has been attempted all at once; focused, targeted initiatives would, instead, have won wide public support. How is it possible that Democrats, through their own clumsiness and arrogance, have sabotaged healthcare reform yet again? Blaming obstructionist Republicans is nonsensical because Democrats control all three branches of government. It isn't conservative rumors or lies that are stopping healthcare legislation; it's the justifiable alarm of an electorate that has been cut out of the loop and is watching its representatives construct a tangled labyrinth for others but not for themselves. No, the airheads of Congress will keep their own plush healthcare plan -- it's the rest of us guinea pigs who will be thrown to the wolves.

With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats' nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?

What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.

And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the "mob" -- a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.

But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration's outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable "casual conversations" to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.

As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.

Surely, the basic rule in comprehensive legislation should be: First, do no harm. The present proposals are full of noble aims, but the biggest danger always comes from unforeseen and unintended consequences. Example: the American incursion into Iraq, which destabilized the region by neutralizing Iran's rival and thus enormously enhancing Iran's power and nuclear ambitions.

What was needed for reform was an in-depth analysis, buttressed by documentary evidence, of waste, fraud and profiteering in the healthcare, pharmaceutical and insurance industries. Instead what we've gotten is a series of facile, vulgar innuendos about how doctors conduct their practice, as if their primary motive is money. Quite frankly, the president gives little sense of direct knowledge of medical protocols; it's as if his views are a tissue of hearsay and scattershot worst-case scenarios.

Of course, it didn't help matters that, just when he needed maximum momentum on healthcare, Obama made the terrible gaffe of declaring that, even without his knowing the full facts, Cambridge, Mass., police had acted "stupidly" in arresting a friend of his, Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. Obama's automatic identification with the pampered Harvard elite (wildly unpopular with most sensible people), as well as his insulting condescension toward an officer doing his often dangerous duty, did serious and perhaps irreparable damage to the president's standing. The strained, prissy beer summit in the White House garden afterward didn't help. Is that the Obama notion of hospitality? Another staff breakdown.

Both Gates and Obama mistakenly assumed that the original incident at Gates' house was about race, when it was about class. It was the wealthy, lordly Gates who committed the first offense by instantly and evidently hysterically defaming the character of the officer who arrived at his door to investigate the report of a break-in. There was no excuse for Gates' loud and cheap charges of racism, which he should have immediately apologized for the next day, instead of threatening lawsuits and self-aggrandizing television exposés. On the other hand, given that Cambridge is virtually a company town, perhaps police headquarters should have dispatched a moderator to the tumultuous scene before a small, disabled Harvard professor was clapped in handcuffs and marched off to jail. But why should an Ivy League panjandrum be treated any differently from the rest of us hoi polloi?

(Article continues in click through link above)

Camille Anna Paglia is an American author, teacher, social critic and dissident feminist. Since 1984 Paglia has been a Professor at The University of the Arts in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Her book, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, published in 1990, became a bestseller.

Paglia is an intellectual of many seeming contradictions: an atheist who respects religion and a classicist who champions art both high and low, with a view that human nature has an inherently dangerous Dionysian aspect, especially the wilder, darker sides of human sexuality.

She favors a curriculum grounded in comparative religion, art history and the literary canon, with a greater emphasis on facts in the teaching of history. She came to public attention in 1990, with the publication of her first book, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson. Her notoriety as the author of this book made it possible for her to write on popular culture and feminism in mainstream newspapers and magazines. Paglia challenged what she has called the "liberal establishment", including academia, feminist advocacy groups such as National Organization for Women (NOW), and AIDS activists ACT UP.

Paglia describes herself as a feminist and as a registered Democrat whose 2000 presidential vote was "Ralph Nader. Because I detest the arrogant, corrupt superstructure of the Democratic Party, with which I remain stubbornly registered."


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TruePaige

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OK, I am finished with my croissants au beurre and my café crème so I am pumped to go out further on the looong limb I am on and post again! And then I must absolutely get to work. Maybe more later! (I know, you can't wait!)

What is up with you including tidbits about your day with the posts you make?

Camille Anna Paglia is an American author, teacher, social critic and dissident feminist. Since 1984 Paglia has been a Professor at The University of the Arts in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Her book, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, published in 1990, became a bestseller.

Great. A liberal arts major basically just regurgitated the exact same speaking points against the current health care bill that have been talked to death since its push for a vote. Nothing new was added save for tidbits about race and her personal background. Another article full of filler from our resident "Posts too much, says too little" personality.

One of a Million Threads on Health Care

Why could you not have posted this to the thread that SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED THE HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE? Instead you take an Op Ed and attempt to reiterate the exact same discussion, except you start with an initial slant against Obama and the Democratic party.

At least post this in the thread that is discussing the bill if you find it so pertinent to the conversation.