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SilthDraeth

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I will preface this with: I don't know what every state in the US offers for health care.

So my question: If states offer health care to the poor, why do we need a national plan?

I was in them Military, and had free health care for me and my family, which was part of the package of being in the military.

I then worked for a School District in CA. Sure I was making huge bucks $40k/year. And my health care was pretty expensive for what I think it should be. Granted this might of been mismanagement of the school district. But for myself having the cheapest healthcare plan, it was $150/month $5k deductible. If I had the plan to put my two kids, my wife and myself, with like a $500 deductible. It would have cost me like $1200 per month. That is insane.

Move me to Arizona, and I spent 6 months unemployed, and I qualified for food stamps and Arizona state health care, ie AHCCS, which cost me nothing, but is payed for by the state, and taxes of people making more money than I do. And that is full coverage for any emergencies, regular checkups, free prescriptions or really cheap. My kids fully covered etc...

So let me ask you, if I am to poor to afford health care on my own, and the state covers me, even when I am working again, I still am covered. If I make more money, and they kick me off the state, I would be able to afford my own private, or whatever is through were I am working, I won't need the AHCCS anyways.

If I get all that at the state level, why do we need a National Healthcare plan?

As far as I know, most states have similar medical coverage for the poor.
 
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TruePaige

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This has been covered about a thousand times and is being discussed in about five threads right now.

Just because you make more than poverty level money doesn't mean you can afford insurance. My cobra was over $800 a month. People with pre-existing conditions are shut out. Expensive claim makers are dropped, etc.. etc.. etc...
 
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JSt0rm

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new threads on this subject without a link to an article not being talked about already shouldn't happen
 
IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: woodie1
The Constitution requires everyone be covered by some type of health care.
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One poster even quoted lines from the Declaration of Independence to justify it... :confused:
 
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DaveSimmons

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Not everyone is a bum or a state worker. A huge percentage of working poor and middle class are not covered and can't get coverage at any reasonable price. They then get expensive ER care that I have to help pay for.
 
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SilthDraeth

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Not everyone is a bum or a state worker. A huge percentage of working poor and middle class are not covered and can't get coverage at any reasonable price. They then get expensive ER care that I have to help pay for.
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I am neither a bum, nor a state worker. Just happened to move out of a state I did not like, into one where I had family, and had a hard time gaining employment.

As to the "this is being discussed in 5 other threads, I digress, I looked at the front page, and didn't see any threads addressing this issue. No I didn't use the search.

Was just using my anecdotal evidence to ask the question. Also, there is no requirement to post a link to some article to make a post on a subject. (directed at JStorm).


I guess TruePaige, what you state about your Cobra, and what I stated about my insurance at the school district are similar. I couldn't afford the full insurance for my family when I was working there.

Don't get me wrong here, I think health care should be accessible by everyone without bankrupting them.

I just question the Federal Government doing it.

Hard to have faith in government, when they are overspending at the city, county, and state level, not to mention federal. Just seems the larger you go, the worse the spending gets.
 
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alchemize

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Originally posted by: woodie1
The Constitution requires everyone be covered by some type of health care.
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Wrong.

The Constitution requires everybody to be covered with the best, and unlimited health care.
 
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woodie1

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: woodie1
The Constitution requires everyone be covered by some type of health care.
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Wrong.

The Constitution requires everybody to be covered with the best, and unlimited health care.
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Well, I tried. I new better minds would eventually improve on my statement. I thank you kind sir.
 
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SilthDraeth

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Originally posted by: JS80
Because people are dying on the streets without it.
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By this logic, we need to vote everyone a nice house with Air Conditioning, heating, and a brand new Ford Fusion car.
 
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TruePaige

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Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Originally posted by: JS80
Because people are dying on the streets without it.
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By this logic, we need to vote everyone a nice house with Air Conditioning, heating, and a brand new Ford Fusion car.
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That doesn't follow.
 
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alchemize

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Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Originally posted by: JS80
Because people are dying on the streets without it.
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By this logic, we need to vote everyone a nice house with Air Conditioning, heating, and a brand new Ford Fusion car.
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tap your sarcasm meter...
 
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YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Originally posted by: JS80
Because people are dying on the streets without it.
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By this logic, we need to vote everyone a nice house with Air Conditioning, heating, and a brand new Ford Fusion car.
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Can I have something better than a Ford?
 
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Carmen813

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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Originally posted by: JS80
Because people are dying on the streets without it.
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By this logic, we need to vote everyone a nice house with Air Conditioning, heating, and a brand new Ford Fusion car.
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Can I have something better than a Ford?
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Only if you are okay with the government purchasing that car company.
 
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Wreckem

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The problem isnt health insurance, its the healthcare system in general.

"Fixing" health insurance isnt going to jack shit other than run up huge deficits over the long run. Focusing on the real problem is what Congress should be doing.

 
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themusgrat

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It is rather hilarious how people have gotten this idea that they're entitled to free things. Maybe the government could also take over car insurance, since there's prolly millions of people driving cars they're not insured in, and it ends up costing people alot of money they can't afford.

No the thing is, it's a good idea, and in a perfect world, UHC would work perfectly. The problem is, it will get abused, and alot of people don't trust our oh-so-all-knowing government to set it up properly, let alone run it. They have a point. Maybe instead of going over the same stomping grounds of "yes we should have it" or "no it's a bad idea" over and over and over again we should be talking about how to best implement it. I can't see it not getting passed in some form, it's a Democratic Congress and all.
 
Sheik Yerbouti

Sheik Yerbouti

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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: woodie1
The Constitution requires everyone be covered by some type of health care.
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One poster even quoted lines from the Declaration of Independence to justify it... :confused:
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That was me... and I stand by it. But since you have such a raging hard on to badmouth uhc, there's no point to make, and I'd just be wasting your time.
 
IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: woodie1
The Constitution requires everyone be covered by some type of health care.
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One poster even quoted lines from the Declaration of Independence to justify it... :confused:
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That was me... and I stand by it. But since you have such a raging hard on to badmouth uhc, there's no point to make, and I'd just be wasting your time.
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I know it was you, and I stand by my point that it was silly to quote that.

I am badmouthing UHC because as it stands now, the plan is awful. You can sugar coat it all you want, but it is a bad plan and doing something for the sake of doing something is wrong. You are too eager to accept anything they will offer instead of wanting the best program. The problem here is that intelligent people aren't allowed to disagree; if someone is against UHC, they are automatically categorized as "rich," "Republican/Neo-con," and/or an "elitist." I can assure you that I am none of these things.

I have never denied that reform is needed, nor have I ever denied that insurance companies sometimes screw people over.
 
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