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blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
 

ericlp

Diamond Member
Dec 24, 2000
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188
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who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.

 

ericlp

Diamond Member
Dec 24, 2000
6,082
188
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
And... They shouldn't be governing over religion as well.... Why should billions go each year to faith based BS?

 

ericlp

Diamond Member
Dec 24, 2000
6,082
188
106
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ericlp
who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.
We don't have the money to do either.

You can't have a multi billion dollar war and give tax breaks at the same time. Now it's painful just to try to vacation to other countries.
I think your are entirely missing the point...

Witch is we should STOP spending money to kill and rather spend it on helping...

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
1
76
www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
And... They shouldn't be governing over religion as well.... Why should billions go each year to faith based BS?
Is that not part of managing education? Why would that be an issue if managing education shouldn't be their job?
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
I hope you two giving me a :thumbsup: also agree we shouldn't be in Iraq. Not then, not now. Our constitution doesn't give the government power to police the world either. It certainly isn't just the Democrats stealing money out of my wallet with a gun to my head.
 

TheSlamma

Diamond Member
Sep 6, 2005
7,625
4
81
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ericlp
who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.
We don't have the money to do either.

You can't have a multi billion dollar war and give tax breaks at the same time. Now it's painful just to try to vacation to other countries.
I think your are entirely missing the point...

Witch is we should STOP spending money to kill and rather spend it on helping...
Neither is my responsibility.

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
1
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
I hope you two giving me a :thumbsup: also agree we shouldn't be in Iraq. Not then, not now. Our constitution doesn't give the government power to police the world either. It certainly isn't just the Democrats stealing money out of my wallet with a gun to my head.
Afghanistan?

But I do agree with the statement that we should not be the world's police man. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on what Iraq is about. I don't see it as a world's police situation. However, that's not the topic here. ;)
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
11,521
0
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It's good to see that the large majority of voters here have the right idea... at least so far! :thumbsup:
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
12,381
94
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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ericlp
who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.
We don't have the money to do either.

You can't have a multi billion dollar war and give tax breaks at the same time. Now it's painful just to try to vacation to other countries.
The chart is over a year old, the current index was in the mid seventies last I checked.

I agree we shouldnt be in Iraq, but the lifetime cost of that debacle is estimated to be 2.4 trillion. Health care would be that much every year.

 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
21,030
1
61
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
I hope you two giving me a :thumbsup: also agree we shouldn't be in Iraq. Not then, not now. Our constitution doesn't give the government power to police the world either. It certainly isn't just the Democrats stealing money out of my wallet with a gun to my head.
Afghanistan?

But I do agree with the statement that we should not be the world's police man. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on what Iraq is about. I don't see it as a world's police situation. However, that's not the topic here. ;)
You're right, that is not the topic, so I will not address it further.

But on topic, no, our government has NO right to manage healthcare, and I am glad most of us here agree with that.
 

GenHoth

Platinum Member
Jul 5, 2007
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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
I hope you two giving me a :thumbsup: also agree we shouldn't be in Iraq. Not then, not now. Our constitution doesn't give the government power to police the world either. It certainly isn't just the Democrats stealing money out of my wallet with a gun to my head.
I agree with everything you have said here.
:thumbsup:
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
20,827
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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
And... They shouldn't be governing over religion as well.... Why should billions go each year to faith based BS?

Bill or resolution #'s please
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
20,827
804
126
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare. They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron. We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
I hope you two giving me a :thumbsup: also agree we shouldn't be in Iraq. Not then, not now. Our constitution doesn't give the government power to police the world either. It certainly isn't just the Democrats stealing money out of my wallet with a gun to my head.
We arent talking about Iraq. My thumbs up is not agreement for everything or any other thing for that matter you post. Just to make it clear.

In the same way I agree 100% with Dave's view on government spying and his opinion on the whole internet neutrality thing. I vertainly dont agree with anything else he has to say.

Just to make it clear :)

 

ProfJohn

Lifer
Jul 28, 2006
18,251
4
0
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ericlp
who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.
We don't have the money to do either.

You can't have a multi billion dollar war and give tax breaks at the same time. Now it's painful just to try to vacation to other countries.
I think your are entirely missing the point...

Witch is we should STOP spending money to kill and rather spend it on helping..
If we took every penny we spend on defense and spent it on healthcare we would still end up $500 billion short of the amount needed to run universal healthcare, and that is assuming that UHC does not cause our overall health care spending to rise.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,894
46
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare.

They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron.

We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
Why not just continue what your GOP has been doing the last seven years?

How bout oursourcing Education?

Just send every child in America to India for education.
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
21,030
1
61
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: bamacre
Under the constitution, our government has NO right to be managing healthcare.

They don't even have the right to be managing education.

Anyone who thinks it is OK to give the federal government more power than it already has is a moron.

We should be cleaning up our federal government, not allowing it to make more messes.

Americans have a government vacuum attached to their wallet, and a gun to their head. This has GOT to change.
Why not just continue what your GOP has been doing the last seven years?

How bout oursourcing Education?

Just send every child in America to India for education.

Dave, our education system has been worse ever since the Dept of Education was created. States can do a better job without it.

As for the rest of your post, I'd reply to it, but you're such a douchebag, you aren't worthy of the time.

Just go vote for Hillary and continue supporting the idea of trading liberty for security. Oh, and her idea of "stay the course" in Iraq.
 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,659
43
91
Originally posted by: bamacre
Dave, our education system has been worse ever since the Dept of Education was created. States can do a better job without it.
QFT

Originally posted by: bamacre
As for the rest of your post, I'd reply to it, but you're such a douchebag, you aren't worthy of the time.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


 

Red Dawn

Elite Member
Jun 4, 2001
57,531
3
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Originally posted by: ericlp
who says we'd have to pay higher taxes???

Look, if we can find money to kill people; then we can find money to help people.
Hey if our government can't even manage a war right what makes you think it can handle healthcare?
 

NaughtyGeek

Golden Member
May 3, 2005
1,065
0
71
If you want to be a socialist, move to a socialist country. Those of us who work for a living are tired of you bilking us out of what's ours in the name of "the greater good." This country wasn't founded on the principles of caring for everyone, it was founded on keeping what's rightfully yours. Make whatever stink you want about roads or whatever other program you want to try to back up your position but understand it's baseless and irrelevant. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want a socialist utopia head on over to your favorite socialist country. We here are happy to work for what we feel we need. Thanks and merry Christmas.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
34,992
5,039
126
If you want to live in a tax haven banana republic, move to one.
We'll build the type of government we want over here without you.
 

agentbad

Senior member
Nov 2, 2004
269
0
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Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
If you want to be a socialist, move to a socialist country. Those of us who work for a living are tired of you bilking us out of what's ours in the name of "the greater good." This country wasn't founded on the principles of caring for everyone, it was founded on keeping what's rightfully yours. Make whatever stink you want about roads or whatever other program you want to try to back up your position but understand it's baseless and irrelevant. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want a socialist utopia head on over to your favorite socialist country. We here are happy to work for what we feel we need. Thanks and merry Christmas.

I am not looking for some socialist utopia or hippie commune. Health care should be a right to any tax payer in this country. The poor already get free health care under the current system if that's what you have a problem with which is paid for by taxes. Now they don't get the best care because of that but they do get health care. Will you wait until you start getting old and need that first bypass that you will reconsider? What if you get cancer and have to spend your whole life savings to pay the insurance premiums since your job fired you because you can't come to work? I see and hear these arguments all the time at work and it saddens me.

Originally posted by: bamacre

Dave, our education system has been worse ever since the Dept of Education was created. States can do a better job without it.

As for the rest of your post, I'd reply to it, but you're such a douchebag, you aren't worthy of the time.

Just go vote for Hillary and continue supporting the idea of trading liberty for security. Oh, and her idea of "stay the course" in Iraq.
Yes, all the kids can go on field trips to the creationist museum.

The patriot act already accomplished that, no need for Hillary to go any further.

 

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