Heads up for all of you that are concerned about the separation of church and state

[Riprorin]

Dear riprorin,

There is a ?hate crimes? bill that has already passed the U.S. Senate. The House will soon vote on the bill. If the bill passes, the ultimate result could be that it is a federal crime to publicly criticize the homosexual lifestyle. It is urgent that you contact your Representative today to oppose this dangerous ?hate crimes? amendment that could lay the groundwork for persecution of Christians.

Can?t happen, you say. In Canada, one cannot publicly criticize homosexuality. Because of a ?hate crimes? law that includes sexual orientation, even the quoting of Scriptures that condemn homosexuality can be illegal.

Because of ?hate crimes? legislation in Sweden a pastor was sentenced to 30 days in jail for preaching a sermon in which he said homosexuality is wrong.

The Kennedy-Smith ?hate crimes? bill will give protected status to the homosexual lifestyle.

Laws in civilized nations have always been designed to punish conduct, not thought. But wrong thoughts are the sole aim of Kennedy-Smith. The Kennedy-Smith bill does nothing to aid in fighting crime.

The Kennedy-Smith amendment ? The Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act ? recently passed the Senate and the House will be voting to accept the Senate language any day now.

To contact your Representative through the capitol switchboard, dial 202-224-3121. For the direct number to your Representative, click here. It is important you call today! Ask him or her to oppose The Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act or any other federal ?hate crimes? bill.

Please forward this alert to all of your friends and family members.


Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

 

[datalink7]

Link to bill, or name of bill?

 

[Zebo]

Palease. Where is this bill???? In this country you can critisize blacks, jews, gays, whatever.. ever heard of KKK and the first amendment. Scare tactics which would be overturned by USSC if even true which I doubt seriously.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: datalink7
Link to bill, or name of bill?

Link

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Palease. Where is this bill???? In this country you can critisize blacks, jews, gays, whatever.. ever heard of KKK and the first amendment. Scare tactics which would be overturned by USSC if even true which I doubt seriously.

considering the source of the email, the bill has probably been picked apart to make it sound like it only covers homosexuals. I'd like to read the bill in its entirety.

The legislation would broaden federal jurisdiction to include hate crimes that cause death or bodily injury and add sexual orientation, gender, and disability to the covered categories of hate crimes.

there ya have it. This is typical modus operandi of the AFA. They are evil do'ers

 

[Zebo]

As I thought a Lie. all it does is add gays to 18 U.S.C. §245 hate crimes.
http://gsmith.senate.gov/press/2004/05-19-04.htm

Though I don't like hate crimes bills at all why should'nt gays be added along with race, religion, national origin, or color?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: datalink7
Link to bill, or name of bill?

Link

Link doesn't work. For me anyway.

 

[TuxDave]

It Un-christian-like to hate people in the first place.

 

[Zebo]

BTW congress will pass it and Bush will sign it. One more bill to keep your eye off the economic ball.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Zebo
As I thought a Lie. all it does is add gays to 18 U.S.C. §245 hate crimes.
http://gsmith.senate.gov/press/2004/05-19-04.htm

Though I don't like hate crimes bills at all why should'nt gays be added along with race, religion, national origin, or color?

Because who you have sex with shouldn't qualify you as a minority protected class.

I want the incestuous added to hate-crimes laws to!

Hey, you can?t control who you love, why should people be free to hate you for it?

 

[Riprorin]

Beware of Kennedy "Hate-Crime" Bill

Within the last couple of years "hate crimes" have become a big issue and most people have heard about it but few really understand it.

A few years ago, Matthew Shephard, a homosexual was killed by a couples of thugs. The liberal establishment, including the media, took advantage of that tragic murder and began a campaign to force the federal government to pass "hate crime" legislation.

Ted Kennedy in the U.S. Senate introduced the "Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 1999" but that bill never became law. Recently, Senator Kennedy renamed the bill and it is now called S. Bill 625, the "Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act of 2001." Defeating it in the Senate is probably a lost cause since the Democrats now control the Senate and nearly every one of them support it and some moderate Republicans also support it. The bill has 51 co-sponsors in the Senate. Almost half of the House of Representative is behind it but there is still a chance to defeat it in the House.

"Calling this bill 'hate crime' legislation shows how the liberal activists and their media allies have hijacked the English language. They know nobody defends 'hate.' But 'hate crimes' laws aren't really aimed at hatred. Instead, they are aims at beliefs and opinions liberals don't like, and ultimately turn them into crimes" says, Robert Knight, spokes person for Concern Women of American (CWA). He continues, "stopping 'hate crimes' isn't their goal. Anti-family liberals really want to make it illegal to oppose their twisted vision for our nation's future!"

The Kennedy "Hate Crime" bill, if it becomes law, would include sexual orientation into the list of specially protected groups. Under this "Hate Crime" law, violence toward a homosexual would be more serious than if the victim had not been homosexual. "Hate crimes" bills like S. 625 bring nearer the day when our constitutionally protected freedoms of speech and religion will be no more. This bill or any kind of "hate crime" legislation like it would promote division and hatred by declaring that some people are more deserving of protection than others. This would most likely lead to criminalizing opinions, beliefs, and thoughts, instead of actions.

This kind of dangerous law has already become real in Canada. One can no longer speak his convictions concerning the practice of homosexuality without penalty. It is now illegal in Canada for Television or Radio Broadcasters to use any Bible passage that condemns homosexuality. The same is true for Canadian Newspapers. Recently, a Canadian Newspaper publisher was jailed for printing an ad, which used a Bible verse condemning homosexuality. The person who bought the ad and the publisher were both considered criminals and both were put in jail.

Now I'm not talking about the 1940's Nazi Germany. Neither, am I talking about the present day Communist China or Russia, or any of the totalitarian governments of third world countries. I am talking about our closest ally and trading partner just to the north of us with a very similar system of government and at one time protector of free speech and freedom of expression.

Oh, you say, this would never happen here! The fact of the matter is that it is already happening here. Government officials in Staten Island called the word of God "hate-speech" and forced a billboard owner to cover up a Bible quote about homosexuality. One cannot buy ads or use quotes from Bible verses, which condemn the practice of homosexuality on billboards, anywhere in New York City.

The Christian censorship in New York is what the liberal Democrats want for the rest of us. And the national "hate crime" laws that are now enforced in Canada are the same kind Ted Kennedy and his co-horts are trying so hard to get through the legislative process here in the U.S. Use the Capital Switchboard no. 202-224-3121 and call your Senators and Congressmen and ask them to oppose S. 625, the Kennedy-"Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act of 2001" or any other type of so called "hate crime" bill. Then write or call the White House 202-456-1111 and ask that President George Bush veto any such bill if it passes Congress. Remember what Edmund Burke said, "all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Link

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Zebo
As I thought a Lie. all it does is add gays to 18 U.S.C. §245 hate crimes.
http://gsmith.senate.gov/press/2004/05-19-04.htm

Though I don't like hate crimes bills at all why should'nt gays be added along with race, religion, national origin, or color?

Because who you have sex with shouldn't qualify you as a minority protected class.

I want the incestuous added to hate-crimes laws to!

Hey, you can?t control who you love, why should people be free to hate you for it?

Besides stratleing an innocent child and tax payers with a birth defect and having a coercive relationship with a family member I would'nt have a problem with that either.

 

[Cobalt]

If the Bible can do this to people, I'm seriously going to think about looking over my faith. . .

 

[glugglug]

It's anti hate crimes as in no vandalism/violence/etc, based on race/sexuality/etc, with higher penalties if it appears to be based on ethnicity rather than just random violence.

Has nothing to do with what you can/can't say.

As usual, Riprorin is spewing nonsense.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: cobalt
If the Bible can do this to people, I'm seriously going to think about looking over my faith. . .

If you think the bible did this, you seriously never thought about your faith before.

read, learn, come to your own conclusions.

Zebo:
how about just homo insest?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

May 19, 2004

Smith Introduces Hate Crimes Amendment

Smith Introduced Amendment to Expand Federal Law to Include Gender, Sexual Orientation, and Disability

Washington, DC ? Today, Senator Gordon Smith (R-OR) announced that he and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) introduced the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2005 (S. 2400).

"The first duty of government is to protect and defend its citizens," said Smith. "As hearts in America have changed, so have minds and our nation is ready for a hate crimes bill to help our government do its duty. If passing it as an amendment to another bill is what it takes, let's do it and put our government behind potential victims of hate crimes."

Since 1969, 18 U.S.C. §245 has permitted federal prosecution of hate crimes motivated by race, religion, national origin, or color, if the victim was engaging in one of six "federally protected" activities. It has become clear that the statute needs to be amended. To this end, Senators Kennedy and Smith introduced the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act. The legislation would broaden federal jurisdiction to include hate crimes that cause death or bodily injury and add sexual orientation, gender, and disability to the covered categories of hate crimes.

"Hate crimes legislation sends a signal that violence of any kind is unacceptable," said Smith. "When someone is targeted because of who they are, it is an attack on their entire community, and the values of tolerance that we, as a nation, hold dear."

Senator Smith first sponsored the bill with Senator Kennedy in 1999 and again in 2001 and 2003. It was also introduced and passed as an amendment to the Commerce, Justice, State appropriations bill in 1999 and the Defense Department authorization bill in 2000 but removed in conference committee for each bill. In 2003 it was introduced as an amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act but did not pass due to a procedural vote.

This was proposed over 6 months ago.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: glugglug
It's anti hate crimes as in no vandalism/violence/etc, based on race/sexuality/etc, with higher penalties if it appears to be based on ethnicity rather than just random violence.

Has nothing to do with what you can/can't say.

As usual, Riprorin is spewing nonsense.

"Oh, you say, this would never happen here! The fact of the matter is that it is already happening here. Government officials in Staten Island called the word of God "hate-speech" and forced a billboard owner to cover up a Bible quote about homosexuality. One cannot buy ads or use quotes from Bible verses, which condemn the practice of homosexuality on billboards, anywhere in New York City."

I thought that Liberals were the great defenders of freedom of speech?

Guess not.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: glugglug
It's anti hate crimes as in no vandalism/violence/etc, based on race/sexuality/etc, with higher penalties if it appears to be based on ethnicity rather than just random violence.

Has nothing to do with what you can/can't say.

As usual, Riprorin is spewing nonsense.

"Oh, you say, this would never happen here! The fact of the matter is that it is already happening here. Government officials in Staten Island called the word of God "hate-speech" and forced a billboard owner to cover up a Bible quote about homosexuality. One cannot buy ads or use quotes from Bible verses, which condemn the practice of homosexuality on billboards, anywhere in New York City."

I thought that Liberals were the great defenders of freedom of speech?

Guess not.

LOL, you can't brand all Liberals as that. I for one support your "hatel" speech and your right to say it as much as you want. I could care less about it's content.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: cobalt
If the Bible can do this to people, I'm seriously going to think about looking over my faith. . .

If you think the bible did this, you seriously never thought about your faith before.

read, learn, come to your own conclusions.

Zebo:
how about just homo insest?

How could you make a child with birth defects from homo-incest sex?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: glugglug
It's anti hate crimes as in no vandalism/violence/etc, based on race/sexuality/etc, with higher penalties if it appears to be based on ethnicity rather than just random violence.

Has nothing to do with what you can/can't say.

As usual, Riprorin is spewing nonsense.

"Oh, you say, this would never happen here! The fact of the matter is that it is already happening here. Government officials in Staten Island called the word of God "hate-speech" and forced a billboard owner to cover up a Bible quote about homosexuality. One cannot buy ads or use quotes from Bible verses, which condemn the practice of homosexuality on billboards, anywhere in New York City."

I thought that Liberals were the great defenders of freedom of speech?

Guess not.

good, they shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff in the first place. besides, i'd much rather see half dressed tyra banks instead

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: glugglug
It's anti hate crimes as in no vandalism/violence/etc, based on race/sexuality/etc, with higher penalties if it appears to be based on ethnicity rather than just random violence.

Has nothing to do with what you can/can't say.

As usual, Riprorin is spewing nonsense.

"Oh, you say, this would never happen here! The fact of the matter is that it is already happening here. Government officials in Staten Island called the word of God "hate-speech" and forced a billboard owner to cover up a Bible quote about homosexuality. One cannot buy ads or use quotes from Bible verses, which condemn the practice of homosexuality on billboards, anywhere in New York City."

I thought that Liberals were the great defenders of freedom of speech?

Guess not.

good, they shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff in the first place.

So, you only support free speech so far as you agree with it?

I don't how many of you folks have actually been inside of a church, but I've been in quite a few over the last 30 years or so and I don't recall homosexuality ever specifically being condemened.

I think that most of you are missing the big picture here.

 

[0marTheZealot]

You want scary? I'll show you scary.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Do...ionRestorationAct.html

It passed the House but failed in the Senate by (only!) 5 votes. It is not inconveiable that this maybe the law of the land in 3-4 years.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
You want scary? I'll show you scary.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Do...ionRestorationAct.html

It passed the House but failed in the Senate by (only!) 5 votes. It is not inconveiable that this maybe the law of the land in 3-4 years.

Of course liberals are against it, the only way they can push their agenda is through a tyrannical oligarchy of federal judges.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: cobalt
If the Bible can do this to people, I'm seriously going to think about looking over my faith. . .

If you think the bible did this, you seriously never thought about your faith before.

read, learn, come to your own conclusions.

Zebo:
how about just homo insest?

How could you make a child with birth defects from homo-incest sex?

yep.

So, you only support free speech so far as you agree with it?

liberals only acept freedom of speach aslong as it supports moral decay of soceity, not when it applys to political or relegious speach.

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
You want scary? I'll show you scary.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Do...ionRestorationAct.html

It passed the House but failed in the Senate by (only!) 5 votes. It is not inconveiable that this maybe the law of the land in 3-4 years.

yea, i know about this, i watch Cspan often.

I?m definitely against it...
though I?m for giving the right to overturn particular rulings to the legislature, given the same standards for overturning a veto.

 

[BBond]

Our Vanished Values

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