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HDR, SM 3.0 and the other new gimmicks **Poll**

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lavaheadache

Diamond Member
I have all of the following games installed and do play them all often. I jumped on the wagon listening to people tell me about the "much" better features of the 6XXX series cards. I originally had a Flashed to XT x800 pro( for 3 months) that I swapped out for a 6800GT(Ive had for about 2 months). See my findings


Far Cry
Okay, I didnt know how to enable the HDR until now in Far Cry. After messing around with it for a little bit I have come to a couple of conclusions. I would never trade HDR for AA. HDR comes with such a performance hit at 1280x1024 that its almost un playable on my rig(see sig..... 6800 gt). I was in the 30 fps range during more than a few scenes. I do admit If I could use HDR and AA at atleast 50-60 fps It would be a great feature. Until that becomes possible I would never recommend using HDR.

Chronicles of Riddick

I recently got this game and was very excited about using the Geforce 6xxx only setting, I think it's called 2.0++ or something. That was until I realized that an average of 30 fps was the actual gaming experience I was going to get when using that mode. What good is this setting on todays cards?

Doom 3

THis Game does perform better with the 6800GT, but doesn't look any better or worse than with an equivlent Ati card, and honestly If I didnt have the FPS counter on I'd tell you they played nearly identical.

Halflife 2

Same outcome as my Doom 3 findings but with The X800 being the better performer

Painkiller

Seems to be a little too glowy with the 6800gt but looks nice on either card. Neither is the winner overall


Im glad I got to try out the 6800GT, and what a great card it is, but how is this card more future proof than an x800 series card? The way I see it is that it lets you see how things are going to start looking but thats it. Unless you like playing slide shows, Most of the 6800 features are for screen shots only. From this point out I'm going to *disagree* with anyone for telling others that a 6800 GT/ultra is a better card than a x800/850. I here by officially recommend both of the top offerings by ATI and Nvidia, because they are both great, and neither offer anything better than the other. If you still can't decide, the only question is: Do you play Halflife 2 or Doom 3? And even then it doesnt really matter. Pick one
 
Yeah, I sort of agree on the whole SM 3.0 thing. I think it's a nice feature, and will allow for some great things to happen, but just not quite yet. I'm still enjoying my 6800NU, though. It's an excellent performer when it's unlocked. I'm actually very excited to see what we can do with HDR and all those other goodies when the next gen comes out.

You're also probably right that most wouldn't notice the difference if someone dropped the opposite brand graphics card into their computer in the middle of the night...unless it's Doom 3. I merely give the slight nod to Nvidia this round for making such an outstanding turnaround from their last generation (and Doom 3). Other than that, both makers offer comparable cards.

Now try, two 6800U overclocked compared to an x850XT overclocked.
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$1000 vs. $500...hmm! Nothing strange there!
 
Originally posted by: Kensai
Now try, two 6800U overclocked compared to an x850XT overclocked.
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I should have known I'd get a response like this right away. How about I wait 5 months spend less money, and get a card that will beat up the sli's and make better use of the same features at the same time. The vast majority of people have AGP anyways


Originally posted by: Avalon
Yeah, I sort of agree on the whole SM 3.0 thing. I think it's a nice feature, and will allow for some great things to happen, but just not quite yet. I'm still enjoying my 6800NU, though. It's an excellent performer when it's unlocked. I'm actually very excited to see what we can do with HDR and all those other goodies when the next gen comes out.

You're also probably right that most wouldn't notice the difference if someone dropped the opposite brand graphics card into their computer. in the middle of the night...unless it's Doom 3. I merely give the slight nod to Nvidia this round for making such an outstanding turnaround from their last generation (and Doom 3). Other than that, both makers offer comparable cards.

Now try, two 6800U overclocked compared to an x850XT overclocked.
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I agree with the awesome turn around after the ill-fated fx series. I had a 5600 ultra for about 3 minutes until I realized what a POS it was. The 6xxx cards are top notch
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another sm3 thread, jesus h christ......the AT servers are literally going to set on fire and burn the AT offices to the ground. any SM2/SM3 pros/cons thread is gonna go nuclear after the 1st 10posts...just dont do it
 
lavaheadache> you said this "From this point out I'm going to flame anyone for telling me that a 6800 GT/ultra is a better card than a x800/850."

Thats makes you the idiot, as you put it in your topic, you are openly saying your going to flame others, before they even say anything, i hope your im/pm gets flooded for this.
 
You're not an idiot if you prefer, or recommend a NV card over an ATi card. It matters to some people, and it doesnt matter to some people. Different needs and wants. Simple as that.
 
Originally posted by: humey
lavaheadache> you said this "From this point out I'm going to flame anyone for telling me that a 6800 GT/ultra is a better card than a x800/850."

Thats makes you the idiot, as you put it in your topic, you are openly saying your going to flame others, before they even say anything, i hope your im/pm gets flooded for this.
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Humey, do you have selective reading? No, not before they say anything. When Someone recommends a 6xxx series card because it supports new tech, that if you enable this new tech you won't want to play the game. Have even played with both sides of the spectrum? I have and both cards are wonderful. Unless you have different findings, you cant disprove want I said, and there for you are thread crapping. I've seen you post countless times badgering people about their views. I have no problems when people recommend a 6800GT/Ultra because its better for doom3. I have no problems when people recommend am x850 cause its better for Halflife 2. I have a problem when people say to get A 6800 ultra to enjoy HDR in Far Cry because you wont enjoy it. Unless you like to play games a page flipping rate and without AA to boot. HMMMM, trade slow frame rates and jagged edges with spectacular lighting for fast frames no jaggies and normal lighting(which still looks damn good), I know which one I'd pic.

 
Lavaheadache. Seems you should take a vacation. You have gotten way too emotional over inanimate objects. Yes, it is interesting to debate my opinions against others or with others, but you just took it a little far here. Do yourself a favor man, and I'm not saying this to be a smart arse, but, take a break from your computer for a while. Get outside and get some sun on your face.
 
I'm an Idiot, but I use HDR and SM3.0 everyday and love the looks of it. If it performs faster than 24fps is good enough for me @1280x1024 8xAF.

Yours sincerely, an IDIOT....
 
Originally posted by: McArra
I'm an Idiot, but I use HDR and SM3.0 everyday and love the looks of it. If it performs faster than 24fps is good enough for me @1280x1024 8xAF.

Yours sincerely, an IDIOT....
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hehe, see theres a sense of humor! You're a better man than I
 
You know, lava, we REALLY don't need to stir up more flamefests. There're already enough of them to choose from.
 
30fps is good for me. I'm very very not picky...

as for these "gimmicks", SM3.0 isn't even used heavily right now. You can't say anything unless you have a game from an engine like UE3, becuase frankly, none of those games were built up with SM3 or HDR in mind.

wait, why do you have games on there running SM2??? that has nothing to do with SM3.
AND Riddick uses a very heavy version of SM2 that is trying to mimic SM3, created alot of stress on your system. if it ran in true Sm3, it would run better. Not only that, but i bet that game isn't programmed right for the computer (meaning it will run bad anyways).

Today isn't the future...next gen is the future, so you can't say that they aren't more future proof based on today games...
 
lavaheadache, "When Someone recommends a 6xxx series card because it supports new tech, that if you enable this new tech you won't want to play the game"

You saying the game is unplayable with the new features on, cause my Ultra plays them fine with all maxed, yes sure the HDR looked funny in FarCry in some indoor areas where you walk by a electric light on ceiling etc, but outdoor it was sweet, and remember it was only beta in the 1.3 patch, to a game that was written long before these features.
 
Both series are excellent and worthy right now, but if you're in the market right this second, I see no reason to go with a Radeon Xxxx card over a GeForce 6xxx card - sure, the top top end Radeon cards (X800XT, X850XT and their PE counterparts) may offer a slight bit more performance than the top end GeForce 6s, but as noted already, you can't really tell unless the FPS counter is on.

So, if they offer equal gameplay experiences, and one has the possibility of HDR, SM3.0, SLI, among others, I think it's wiser to spend your money on the card with more options.

Both companies have great boom-for-buck offerings right now - Nvidia is cleaning up at the $200 mark with the 6600GT, and I'm sure ATi's X800XL is doing nicely at the $300ish level - if the 6800GT drops though, that could change. Time will tell, but right now both camps have winners.

Just my $.02
 
I give up! I guess I'm wrong, and an ave of 30 fps is a great frame rate!?!?

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Lavaheadache. Seems you should take a vacation. You have gotten way too emotional over inanimate objects. Yes, it is interesting to debate my opinions against others or with others, but you just took it a little far here. Do yourself a favor man, and I'm not saying this to be a smart arse, but, take a break from your computer for a while. Get outside and get some sun on your face.
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Emotional? Where did I express an undying love for either product or both? I merely stated both are wonderful and would recommend either. BTW, this is a computer enthusiast forum, is it not? Some of the other people in this thread my be deemed as attached to their hardware, not I, merely just love using my computer as a late night hobby when the sun is away . I will continue to try new things and weed through the opinions others try to spread as truth. I told it how I saw it

I'm going to edit my original post and take out the word idiot because of all the sensitive people in here.

How many other people can say they have tried both of the latest offerings? I can and like them both.
 
Originally posted by: lavaheadache

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You don't get it . . . . You really are a moron
:thumbsdown:

edit: First you insult all who disagree with you in the topic's title: "idiots"
then you "edit" it "for little kids".
:disgust:

perhaps you DO need time away from posting [insults] 😉
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Lavaheadache. Seems you should take a vacation. You have gotten way too emotional over inanimate objects. Yes, it is interesting to debate my opinions against others or with others, but you just took it a little far here. Do yourself a favor man, and I'm not saying this to be a smart arse, but, take a break from your computer for a while. Get outside and get some sun on your face.
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Now that is awesome advice :beer: Seriously, the weather here in the :sun:shine state is awesome right now, and being out in the fresh air *Brevard County, Fl. was just rated really high for overall air quality* is extremely theraputic. I post from the notebook out back, which is probably the primary reason I seldom flame or rant, I am just too soothed by Mother Nature to get my hackles up over some inane online shat 😉

This dead horse has been beaten enough, now let it be so the local diner can make it the blue plate :laugh:

 
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