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HDMI vs. Toslink for sound?

giantpinkbunnyhead

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OK, so I really love my home theatre setup but I'm always looking to make it better. I keep hearing about this Toslink optical connection, and I know I have this feature on both my receiver and my DVD player. Currently, my DVD player sends video and audio to my receiver via HDMI; then from there the audio is sent out to the speakers while the video continues on to the TV. Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

If it matters, the current DVD Player is a Denon 1930CI, the receiver is a Pioneer Elite 81, and I have a New HD DVD player which isn't hooked up yet. I don't know if I'm going to replace the Denon, or keep both since the new player won't play SACD's. (Correct me if I"m wrong).
 
Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

No. Digital is digital 🙂
 
Nope. The HDMI cable & TOSLink optical cable carry the same audio data. No benefit all to using the TOSlink if you're using HDMI already.
 
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
OK, so I really love my home theatre setup but I'm always looking to make it better. I keep hearing about this Toslink optical connection, and I know I have this feature on both my receiver and my DVD player. Currently, my DVD player sends video and audio to my receiver via HDMI; then from there the audio is sent out to the speakers while the video continues on to the TV. Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

If it matters, the current DVD Player is a Denon 1930CI, the receiver is a Pioneer Elite 81, and I have a New HD DVD player which isn't hooked up yet. I don't know if I'm going to replace the Denon, or keep both since the new player won't play SACD's. (Correct me if I"m wrong).


Actually, you will have to check your unit's specs, as most A/V receivers are only passing Dolby 2.0, despite the capability of HDMI to pass 5.1.
You must check the specific unit you have
I?m just warning caution right now, and making you aware of the limitation of current products in the marketplace. We haven?t eliminated everything just yet, and you should be aware of it. Clearly, it will take time for the audio companies to include full-blown HDMI switching capability as it took several years for component video switching to become commonplace. Today, several manufacturers now include component video switching with up conversion (from composite and S-Video) on numerous models, which is pretty neat.



Several upscale HDTV?s now include HDMI input(s), and a handful of DVD players include HDMI output. Sending both digital audio and video signals directly to the TV via HDMI does simplify matters up converting those already pristine DVD images to near HD quality. Audio, on the other hand, from that DVD player will only be sent at Dolby Digital 2.0 quality to be handled by the TV?s internal audio system. And, if you?re using the TV?s speakers and Dolby Digital processing, you won?t know the difference.



However, if you thought that by sending those audio signals via HDMI to an A/V Receiver using HDMI inputs, it would process full-blown Dolby Digital and DTS, you?d be mistaken. Today, those products only pass/receive Dolby Digital 2.0 audio. To obtain full-blown surround sound, you would have to use either the digital audio connectors or 1394 (if available) from your DVD player or Satellite Receiver. Of course, to obtain the best digital video and digital audio signals overall, you would simply send video HDMI signals to the display directly, and digital audio signals directly to the A/V Receiver or Processor using the digital audio connectors of both products. You?ve lost the ease-of-use switching capability, but retained pristine signals.



Going forward, 2005 versions of satellite and cable HD Receivers may include 5.1 audio HDMI capabilities. You will have to double-check to make sure. Within the audio community, HDMI switching capability will follow later in 2005 and 2006. Ultimately, it can be expected from all of the major brands. Initially, HDMI switching capability will only be available on a handful of high-end audio products. In turn, those audio manufacturers that started including HDMI will follow with HDMI up conversion from all other video sources. Presently, only two audio manufacturers have announced A/V Receiver products with true 5.1 audio HDMI switching capabilities ? Denon and Pioneer -- that will reach market early next year; although, it should be noted that both models are quite pricey costing several thousand dollars.



Going in a different direction, other companies like Harman and Yamaha, for example, are including Faroudja circuitry to enhance standard definition video signals from their A/V Receivers. Denon has just announced the inclusion of Silicon Optix?s Realta HQV video enhancement chip on their new DVD-5910 universal DVD player utilizing HDMI output. Will it pass 5.1 audio? We?re not sure as it won?t be available until next year. While it?s not totally clear if TV manufacturers will start including 5.1 HDMI capability with 2005/2006 sets, they will start adding multiple HDMI inputs to accommodate numerous video products with HDMI outputs. TV companies like Hitachi and Toshiba have already started adding multiple HDMI inputs on the backs of the top-end HDTV?s.
 
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
OK, so I really love my home theatre setup but I'm always looking to make it better. I keep hearing about this Toslink optical connection, and I know I have this feature on both my receiver and my DVD player. Currently, my DVD player sends video and audio to my receiver via HDMI; then from there the audio is sent out to the speakers while the video continues on to the TV. Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

If it matters, the current DVD Player is a Denon 1930CI, the receiver is a Pioneer Elite 81, and I have a New HD DVD player which isn't hooked up yet. I don't know if I'm going to replace the Denon, or keep both since the new player won't play SACD's. (Correct me if I"m wrong).

Need the specific model number as there are several "Elite 81's " that come up on their website.
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
OK, so I really love my home theatre setup but I'm always looking to make it better. I keep hearing about this Toslink optical connection, and I know I have this feature on both my receiver and my DVD player. Currently, my DVD player sends video and audio to my receiver via HDMI; then from there the audio is sent out to the speakers while the video continues on to the TV. Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

If it matters, the current DVD Player is a Denon 1930CI, the receiver is a Pioneer Elite 81, and I have a New HD DVD player which isn't hooked up yet. I don't know if I'm going to replace the Denon, or keep both since the new player won't play SACD's. (Correct me if I"m wrong).

Need the specific model number as there are several "Elite 81's " that come up on their website.

OK. It's this one.

On a related note, My PS2 has what appears to be a Toslink connector on the back. Currently that's hooked up via component. Would the PS2 benefit?

 
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
OK, so I really love my home theatre setup but I'm always looking to make it better. I keep hearing about this Toslink optical connection, and I know I have this feature on both my receiver and my DVD player. Currently, my DVD player sends video and audio to my receiver via HDMI; then from there the audio is sent out to the speakers while the video continues on to the TV. Now, would there be any benefit to having a Toslink connection carry my audio from DVD to receiver, rather than having the HDMI cable do it?

If it matters, the current DVD Player is a Denon 1930CI, the receiver is a Pioneer Elite 81, and I have a New HD DVD player which isn't hooked up yet. I don't know if I'm going to replace the Denon, or keep both since the new player won't play SACD's. (Correct me if I"m wrong).

Need the specific model number as there are several "Elite 81's " that come up on their website.

OK. It's this one.

On a related note, My PS2 has what appears to be a Toslink connector on the back. Currently that's hooked up via component. Would the PS2 benefit?

Yes the PS2 would be best hooked up via toslink.
 
It looks like it passes full dolby Digital Audio, however,i would verify this with a test disc. I'm stubborn that way... you'ld think I was from Missouri (Show me)

If you're not using a High Def DVD player,I would run the audio with a dedicated digital (coax or toslink) out so as to force it into the correct mode and allow the Video codecs to do the up-converting of video onto the screen.
Using a TOSLINK w/ the PSP will yield best audio, definitely.
Did you set up the system with the system mic ? I'm always curious as to how close they get the speaker levels at the Prime Viewing Location.
I've always wanted to test the machines settings for accuracy.
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
It looks like it passes full dolby Digital Audio, however,i would verify this with a test disc. I'm stubborn that way... you'ld think I was from Missouri (Show me)

If you're not using a High Def DVD player,I would run the audio with a dedicated digital (coax or toslink) out so as to force it into the correct mode and allow the Video codecs to do the up-converting of video onto the screen.
Using a TOSLINK w/ the PSP will yield best audio, definitely.
Did you set up the system with the system mic ? I'm always curious as to how close they get the speaker levels at the Prime Viewing Location.
I've always wanted to test the machines settings for accuracy.

Well, I currently have 2 DVD players. The first is a Denon 1930CI which upscales on its own up to 1080p; then today I added in a HD-A2 HD DVD player. I have both hooked to the receiver via HDMI and in both cases there are no Toslink cables. I did buy a Toslink cable for the PS2 and it made a LOT of difference! I'm impressed. So maybe I'll take that cable and swap it between the DVD players and receiver and just experiment with it and see if I can tell a difference anywhere. If not, I'll let it lie as it is.

I did set up my speakers with the system mic. I have to say, it did an insanely nice job! I placed the mic at ear level at the center of my couch so that became the sweet spot. The only thing I had to tweak was the subwoofer level, but the manual specifically cautions that the sub is the hardest for the MCACC setup to work with. When I changed my setup from 5.1 to 7.1, I ran the calibration again and it picked up the new speakers just fine and came out beautifully. Whole process only takes about 5 minutes.
 
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