HDMI, HDCP what is the REAL advantage for us ?

[greylica]

Why Microsoft Windows Vista bother us with the HDMI, HDCP Monitor Mandatory ?
Whats the Real advantage ?

I see one BenQ and LG and no difference in HDV Vídeos 1080P with a normal flat panel so why they are trying to push more limitation now on the monitor ?

Microsoft are trying to lower the quality of the monitors that are not partners with them for what kind of purpose ?
IF HDCP is a tecnology to make artificial advantages only for a chip that will find you in your home, why we did not saw and sayed no until now ?
HDCP process any video content to cause better Images like Nvidias Pure Video? ( I did not see this in reality, and Nvida pure video can be substituted by a software like was proven before ).

The individual liberties and the privacy can be afected by such monitors like older PIII vírus that find your system by the processors serial number ?
Can HDCP be a new brech for hackers only waiting for ANY vulnerability ?
Will they find you by your monitor, like they did in the past with win 98 + Intel PIII wrong idea ?
Will Microsoft offer a plan to cloack your HDCP Monitor under a Firewall if you buy a One Care plan ?
HDCP can be hacked in a way Gisele Bunchen turns to a Jupiter E.T. by the broken chip?
Can H.264 Mov Files be better than a need of DHCP ( Quality Guaranteed ) ?

Will we have to activate/validade it ? Will a sixth energy Star appear when we turn the Monitor on and the chip fails to validate ?

 

[greylica]

I am Serious, these are questions I never saw asked before, you can think I am flooding but I am trying only to see if some discussion about this was done before and if we all can accept the situations that will probably come ...

 

[myocardia]

Most of the people who post on this forum think that Bill Gates really IS god, and buy every OS he decides to tell them they need. Haven't you noticed how many people are willing to pay quite a bit of money, so they can be his guinea pigs, and help him figure out all of the flaws with Vista, as soon as it's available for sale?

BTW, your "monitor" question means absolutely nothing, in the scheme of things. Both processor companies have included instructions in their newest processors that make using software from a company that hasn't paid Micro$oft the money that Micro$oft wants software developers to pay them, to "approve" software, run like utter crap on Windows Vista. And I can assure you that the average American idiot will go right along with it.

Here's a link for you. Well, 1.21 million of them, to be exact. And note that every time you see the word Palladium, they're talking about Windows Vista. That was the name that Micro$oft called Vista, before they it. Oh, the link: link. And here's a better link, that explains it all in detail: Trusted Computing FAQ.

 

[michal1980]

hdcp is copy protection. Thats it.

It does not improve or interfer with the content.

Simply what it is doing is checking what the video card, or output from dvd(or hi-def player) is connected to... If its connected to a display it will allow the hi-def resolution to pass.

If it does not detect a display it plays standard def.

HMDI = DVI+Audio.. It will be much more usefully for home teathers. Where you can take one cable from your player (dvd/bluray/hddvd) and plug it into you tv. And magicaly you have both picture and sound.

Or if you have a receiver, with hdmi. you plug the hdmi cable into the reciver, and take one from the receiver to the tv. Your reciver will play the surround sound, and pass the video to the tv. (instead of 3 compoent cables + audio cables, you go from 4/5 cables down to 1, and you do not have to match colors or anything)


Its also all digital so cheaper cables can be used (any certified hdmi cable will look just like any other hdmi cable, even if one cable is 500 bucks and one is 25, they will look the same).

 

[greylica]

Thanks for the Ilumination, a new kind of inutil things made by Microsoft again to rule the digital world, in fact if a software can play HDV Vídeo in any way that is designed to do it, HDCP will be a limitation and a breach of security like PIII was. TPM Is a breach of security, that believes every human in the world is a criminal by nature.
I will avoid to use again Microsoft products.

 

[zephyrprime]

HDCP is not made by microsoft. It's actually designed by intel. It is not for the benefit of the consumer in any way. It is a form of copy protection made for the benefit of studios to prevent piracy.

HDCP has little to do with microsoft really despite the fact that they are implementing it in vista. Without hdcp, it's illegal to view the encrypted hi-def movies of the future.

 

[Auric]

There is no proverbial gun to our heads forcing us to purchase or even rent movies with HDCP (and the additional cost on the hardware side is insignificant). The content owners are simply offering a product with certain requirements to protect their rights. It is not unreasonable when considering a disposable plastic disc can contain a decent facsimile of a film costing millions, even hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and if released unprotected on the world wide intartube could instantly prevent any further return on investment.

 

[gramboh]

How long until someone cracks HDCP and writes software spoofing an HDCP device to allow direct ripping of HD content to your hard drive?

I'm guessing 6-10 months at most, and I will laugh when it happens. Will have to have at least 1.5-2.0TB in my media server to store HD stuff though I guess, which I will play on my non-HDCP HDTV.

 

[Slammy1]

The advantage is you buy a DVD, you don't have to pay a premium cause so many people have borrowed/rented it and burned it rather than themselves buying it.

 

[rbV5]

Why Microsoft Windows Vista bother us with the HDMI, HDCP Monitor Mandatory ?

Its not manditory for regular PC use. If HDCP protection is enforced, it will be the only way to view protected content in full resolution on a PC without some sort of hack.

The obvious advantage for the user, politics and implementation issues aside, will be the ability to view full resolution protected content with your Vista HTPC legally.

HDCP protected digital inputs on displays have been available for years in the form of TV displays in anticipation of protected content, very few will be non-compliant. PC displays only recently started featuring HDCP protected inputs because the manufacturers didn't feel it was needed despite the relatively low cost of compliance...it does add cost to product, however it could be a real issue going forward with legacy displays.

 

[greylica]

Then Intel create a tecnology to turn people into criminals only for show a film in non HDCP compliant Hardware ?
But the piracy does not act this way ....
They do not need Monitors to rip HDV content, I Just say one time that is more simpler than they imagine, buy an HDTV CAM and put the film on the show in an electric panel HDCP compliant and you have a xerox anyway ... Unprotected. We are all paying again for a thing that will never function for REAL advantage to us. Yet they will always continue trying.
The victim is the monitor, in teh past was the processor itself, I remember the Intel PIII disaster with serial number.

What I have to point is that we are living an revolution that is not embraced from all of the people, I am seeing all of these people at studios and software desperate to maintain things we lived in the past to not adapt himselves to a better resources distribution in the world.
They tried the same thing when they put Areas for DVD and the product in One country generally is more expensive than the other and we see that the taxes are the same, they are the blame in this case, Or not ?

They are trying to do the same thing and fatally I can see the same fate of everything they invent to maintain we all living in near 2010 like if we where in the mid 1980...1990.

I will only see this, but I Think HDV vídeos on PC will not be a good thing.
At least sony is right in one statement, Why Blu Ray playing videos for PC if the vast majority of the Monitors are legacy Hardware ?
I want one drive of Blu Ray or the other tecnology for backup purposes only, But it seems DVD will always be the best choice to videos and not only for me.

What this future deserve for us?

 

[Aluvus]

Originally posted by: myocardia
And note that every time you see the word Palladium, they're talking about Windows Vista. That was the name that Micro$oft called Vista, before they it.

No, it was the codename for something else entirely.

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
HDCP is not made by microsoft. It's actually designed by intel. It is not for the benefit of the consumer in any way. It is a form of copy protection made for the benefit of studios to prevent piracy.

HDCP has little to do with microsoft really despite the fact that they are implementing it in vista. Without hdcp, it's illegal to view the encrypted hi-def movies of the future.

To add to that... Microsoft has no real desire to implement HDCP. It doesn't gain them anything directly. They are not at all the driving force here. Media producers are making HDCP a mandatory part of the high-def video future, and Microsoft is just along for the ride. The Windows platform has to support HDCP.

As noted elsewhere some time ago, Microsoft is not alone in this.

Originally posted by: gramboh
How long until someone cracks HDCP and writes software spoofing an HDCP device to allow direct ripping of HD content to your hard drive?

I'm guessing 6-10 months at most, and I will laugh when it happens. Will have to have at least 1.5-2.0TB in my media server to store HD stuff though I guess, which I will play on my non-HDCP HDTV.

IIRC, a proof-of-concept HDCP hack already exists. It requires something like 15 devices to "conspire" to break the HDCP scheme.

 

[greylica]

Attestation is 100 X poorer than HDCP for us,
It's the real evil for computing if we cannot control it.

I Read carefully all of the pages, I don know if there is a way to shut down this feature by the bios or software itself, But if it have, I will do it certainly.

 

[Gannon]

Originally posted by: greylica
Thanks for the Ilumination, a new kind of inutil things made by Microsoft again to rule the digital world, in fact if a software can play HDV Vídeo in any way that is designed to do it, HDCP will be a limitation and a breach of security like PIII was. TPM Is a breach of security, that believes every human in the world is a criminal by nature.
I will avoid to use again Microsoft products.

The problem is capitalistic culture, for profit culture is by nature part of the spectrum of theft and taking advantage. In the middle of the "for profit" meter you have "validly earned income" at the extreme ends you have price fixing/gouging and extortion, and at the other end you have outright theft.