HD DVD vs Blue Ray

[smack Down]

hopefully they both go down in flames

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
It all depends on which format porn will be more available on...porn was the driving force behind VHS beating Beta...

blue ray = more capacity = more pr0n? :Q

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: venk
20 years ago buying a TV was pretty much a question of how big of a screen you want (or could afford). Sure the AV gurus could nitpick here and there but the regular consumer really didn't see a difference.

Today, buying a TV takes a serious amount of research and education just to understand what is availble.

Explaining the difference between interlaced and progressive to people without decent tech knowledge is pretty futile. Either they don't get it or they flat out REFUSE to believe me. 😛

And ya know what? 95% of people don't care.

I'm not insulting you. Just pointing out the reason why bose is so popular. You can talk till you are blue in the face - the consumer wants to spend 30 seconds to setup a movie that they can enjoy. they don't want to worry (nor should they) if it will work in their home.

 

[cjgallen]

Blu-ray, because people will want to bootleg PS3 games.

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: venk
20 years ago buying a TV was pretty much a question of how big of a screen you want (or could afford). Sure the AV gurus could nitpick here and there but the regular consumer really didn't see a difference.

Today, buying a TV takes a serious amount of research and education just to understand what is availble.

Explaining the difference between interlaced and progressive to people without decent tech knowledge is pretty futile. Either they don't get it or they flat out REFUSE to believe me. 😛

And ya know what? 95% of people don't care.

I'm not insulting you. Just pointing out the reason why bose is so popular. You can talk till you are blue in the face - the consumer wants to spend 30 seconds to setup a movie that they can enjoy. they don't want to worry (nor should they) if it will work in their home.

Walk into a Montgomery Wards twenty years ago and say, "gimmie a big sony" they'll walk you over to the rear projections and maybe detoured to the bigger CRTs.

Walk into a ABC Warehouse today and say the same thing, and they ll show you an LCD, A Rear Projection, and LCOS (SXRD) Rear Projection, and maybe even a CRT.

Then the saleman will try to pitch you a 1080p TV as opposed to a regular 720p/1080i TV.
Either you will have to know the difference or he will have to explain it to you. Why do people care? Because 1080p is a lot more expensive than 720p and people want to know it is or will be worth it.

Then he'll pitch his extended warrenty which would be stupid to buy on a Tube TV since they are built like tanks but RPTVs burn out and the long term life of a mechanical DLP wheel is unknown, long term life expectancies of large LCDs are still unknown, and if you looked at a plasma, same thing.

The next few years we will see OLED TVs, LED RPTVs, etc


The AVSforum guys can still debate on the merits/drawbacks of wobulation all day, but the rest of the world has to deal with complications, wheter they want to or not. I know because i work commision retail PT and deal with these people daily.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mani
Can't say I agree - pretty different situation. DVD-A has very limited advantages over CD, and SACD is an obscure format that few are familiar with and again provides limited advantages over normal CDs. Meanwhile, unless you count D-VHS (which is as good as dead), HD-DVD and Blu-ray are going to be the ONLY methods of delivery for High Definition content aside from broadcast TV. They are huge steps up from their predecessor technology, while SACD and DVD-A were incremental at best.

Secondly, DVD-A and SACD have no governing standards body driving adoption. HDTV is an inevitability, and with it must come a vehicle. Major movie studios have already signed up to the new formats and consumers already have HDTVs they are dying to get content for. At least one of the formats is going to dominate, the question is which.

That is a very good point. What I'm trying to say is look at it from a non-enthusiast standpoint. (trust me, I am an enthusiast to the max so to speak.)

DVD = have a great picture that is replayable and offers everything a consumer could ever want.
Super-bit DVD = same thing, but offers the scant minority of enthusists what they (we) long for.

I view it very similar to other highly superior formats - they offer everything the very small minority of consumers want and can actually tell the difference. This is a techie board and we know the difference and what is up.

But I still can't deny being one of the early adopters of HDTV back in 2000. And later having to coax (pun intendend) others along on the complexities of it. One has to look at this from the common consumer's view.

there were freakin' manufacturers offering promises that the products you buy will be future proof. I bought what is still today a premier TV back when digital displays weren't on the market save for plasma. I still have other display technologies (this is not waving e-peen around, just to show just how much this is a hobby for me).

All I'm really saying is the consumer doesn't know and doesn't care, but given enough time they will. I've been a huge audio/video freak for about 20 years now and I seriously cannot even fathom a comparison to the leaps and bounds that are occuring in the industry year over year. It's blazing/hot/burning/obsolescing year over year. It is indeed a good time to be a video/audio junkie. A damn good time.

Understand your point on looking at it from a non-enthusiast POV - I work in the industry myself and we all struggle sometimes to step back and look at things from a non-techie perspective. Looking at it objectively though, the thing HD has going for it is inevitable adoption, and as prices come down on equipment HD media players (i.e. blu-ray or HD-DVD players) will one day become as ubiquitous as DVD players are today, as consumers won't accept the image quality drastically below that of what they are receiving off the air. You are right however in that most customers right now don't know or care, and that the new standard(s) will be slow to establish themselves.

On your last point, as a bit of an AV nut myself, I wholeheartedly agree. Very exciting times in the video and audio industry - maybe the most exciting ever. And if you think the current stuff is cool, you'd be amazed at what's on the horizon. Lots of amazing technologies being researched in displays and the digital home.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Neither.

Witness DVD-A and SACD. Notice how the public/market had a far superior format and it is still floundering. Nothing can top the adoption of the DVD.

You can't force a format change that fast.

Both of those formats will go by way of the laser disc only to be superceded about 6 years from now for something better.

How many people on this board have heard of or actually listened to, let alone have the gear to play DVD-A or SACD? And the titles?

there is no format war because in reality people will not buy the high resolution new formats as they have just now (I'm guessing 7-8 years after the introduction of the DVD)

To put it bluntly - 98% of the population doesn't know and doesn't care. Just like 98% of the population doesn't care if a certain processor is better than the other.

hehe, you said dvda.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Mani
Can't say I agree - pretty different situation. DVD-A has very limited advantages over CD, and SACD is an obscure format that few are familiar with and again provides limited advantages over normal CDs. Meanwhile, unless you count D-VHS (which is as good as dead), HD-DVD and Blu-ray are going to be the ONLY methods of delivery for High Definition content aside from broadcast TV. They are huge steps up from their predecessor technology, while SACD and DVD-A were incremental at best.

Secondly, DVD-A and SACD have no governing standards body driving adoption. HDTV is an inevitability, and with it must come a vehicle. Major movie studios have already signed up to the new formats and consumers already have HDTVs they are dying to get content for. At least one of the formats is going to dominate, the question is which.

That is a very good point. What I'm trying to say is look at it from a non-enthusiast standpoint. (trust me, I am an enthusiast to the max so to speak.)

DVD = have a great picture that is replayable and offers everything a consumer could ever want.
Super-bit DVD = same thing, but offers the scant minority of enthusists what they (we) long for.

I view it very similar to other highly superior formats - they offer everything the very small minority of consumers want and can actually tell the difference. This is a techie board and we know the difference and what is up.

But I still can't deny being one of the early adopters of HDTV back in 2000. And later having to coax (pun intendend) others along on the complexities of it. One has to look at this from the common consumer's view.

there were freakin' manufacturers offering promises that the products you buy will be future proof. I bought what is still today a premier TV back when digital displays weren't on the market save for plasma. I still have other display technologies (this is not waving e-peen around, just to show just how much this is a hobby for me).

All I'm really saying is the consumer doesn't know and doesn't care, but given enough time they will. I've been a huge audio/video freak for about 20 years now and I seriously cannot even fathom a comparison to the leaps and bounds that are occuring in the industry year over year. It's blazing/hot/burning/obsolescing year over year. It is indeed a good time to be a video/audio junkie. A damn good time.

sacd/dvda died because of their copy protection and cost. people like control of music, the ipod success shows this. video has far more room to improve than audio. cd is damn realistic for most people. video is no where near reality, even hd. and people see the benifit of hd. its sold everywhere now. and flat screen plasmas and such are objects of desire for the general population. after all, one of the dreams people had of the future was that of thin large tv's they could hang on walls....we don't have flying cars and such, but atleast this bit is becoming reality😉

hopefully hddvd wins. sony is not to be trusted. they are part of the mpaa/riaa. hopefully hddvd undercuts on price. and if it all goes to hell the asian pirate factories can churn out hddvds supposedly

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


sacd/dvda died because of their copy protection and cost.

Sounds like Blue Ray to me

 

[Wheatmaster]

i believe blu-ray will win because it already in mainstream in japan.

 

[ForumMaster]

there's one very important thing to consider here: Content
when the iPod video came out, getting video content was important and iTunes has succeeded in providing content. the blue-ray format has the advantage in terms of content. HD-DVD is already out in Japan with about 8 titles. only about 2 are any good. blue-ray will be more expensive, but since many people really want the PS3 and will buy it when it comes out, they'll already have a device capable of playing Blue-Ray. frankly, i admit i am a slow adopter of new technologies. we only recently got an HDTV and a DVD-player. For now, i don't need the blue-ray. but i do think that it will win. however, only time will tell.