• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

HD DVD vs Blue Ray

V

venk

Banned
Simple Poll.

I vote HD DVD simply because it will be cheaper and Blue Ray follows a long line of faliures in Sony's attempts to launch a medium (BetaMax, MiniDisk, MP3 format (forget the name), UMD, etc)

Sony certainly has the technical advantage (bigger capacities, 1080p support) and the PS3 launch to get players into homes. Hopefully Microsoft will roll out 360s with bundled HD DVD players around the time PS3 launches.
 
I said in the betamax/vhs thread that Blu-Ray will likely prevail. Why? Because it has studio support. VHS won over Betamax because VHS had the upper hand in terms of studio backing. Blu-Ray is in that same boat, with the major studios backing it.
 
Neither.

Witness DVD-A and SACD. Notice how the public/market had a far superior format and it is still floundering. Nothing can top the adoption of the DVD.

You can't force a format change that fast.

Both of those formats will go by way of the laser disc only to be superceded about 6 years from now for something better.

How many people on this board have heard of or actually listened to, let alone have the gear to play DVD-A or SACD? And the titles?

there is no format war because in reality people will not buy the high resolution new formats as they have just now (I'm guessing 7-8 years after the introduction of the DVD)

To put it bluntly - 98% of the population doesn't know and doesn't care. Just like 98% of the population doesn't care if a certain processor is better than the other.
 
If the Playstation 3 sells over 100 million units like the Playstation 1 and 2 did each, then that is huge market penetration there. A lot of people will not buy a new stand alone player, but they will buy a Playstation 3.
 
given Sony's record with proprietary formats,

i'd make a preliminary wager on HD-DVD.

but as with every other item-vs-item war, we won't know until they're actually out and on the market
 
blu-ray, because PS3 has it, and major companies are backing it up. but that doesnt mean that HD-DVD will fail. i think it will do alright.

but it will take some time for the public to adopt the new techonologies, as people now are used to buying DVDs.
 
Originally posted by: EngenZerO
voted hd-dvd... but i dunno... only time will tell... i just want an hd picture...
Click to expand...


..whatever they do i wana keep playing my existing dvd's on whatever new players show up.
 
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
blu-ray, because PS3 has it, and major companies are backing it up. but that doesnt mean that HD-DVD will fail. i think it will do alright.

but it will take some time for the public to adopt the new techonologies, as people now are used to buying DVDs.
Click to expand...

And I'll cite sony's SACD.

While a great format, and I own tons of SACDs as well as DVD-A, I am in a huge minority.

I really just don't see the general public wanting HD movies (well, they want it but don't want a format war - see VHS/BETA). Sure, serious audio/videophiles like myself are very excited about it.

To put it bluntly...
people are just now used to the DVD (sadly, most don't know how to use it and still complain about "black bars")

I'm very, very happy that the DVD has provided what we wanted. Theater like quality at home (thank you home theater and digital sound)

But I still don't see the general public adopting another format, just when they are getting used to high-definition. Me personally - I'll probably have have any format available just as an option as audio/video is a hobby for me. But I don't pretend or expect the public to know or care.

 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Neither.

Witness DVD-A and SACD. Notice how the public/market had a far superior format and it is still floundering. Nothing can top the adoption of the DVD.

You can't force a format change that fast.

Both of those formats will go by way of the laser disc only to be superceded about 6 years from now for something better.

How many people on this board have heard of or actually listened to, let alone have the gear to play DVD-A or SACD? And the titles?

there is no format war because in reality people will not buy the high resolution new formats as they have just now (I'm guessing 7-8 years after the introduction of the DVD)

To put it bluntly - 98% of the population doesn't know and doesn't care. Just like 98% of the population doesn't care if a certain processor is better than the other.
Click to expand...

Can't say I agree - pretty different situation. DVD-A has very limited advantages over CD, and SACD is an obscure format that few are familiar with and again provides limited advantages over normal CDs. Meanwhile, unless you count D-VHS (which is as good as dead), HD-DVD and Blu-ray are going to be the ONLY methods of delivery for High Definition content aside from broadcast TV. They are huge steps up from their predecessor technology, while SACD and DVD-A were incremental at best.

Secondly, DVD-A and SACD have no governing standards body driving adoption. HDTV is an inevitability, and with it must come a vehicle. Major movie studios have already signed up to the new formats and consumers already have HDTVs they are dying to get content for. At least one of the formats is going to dominate, the question is which.
 
I seriously think people will be slow to adopt this...so companies will rush to lower prices to make the technologies more attractive...and since HD is the cheaper of the two to manufacture...HD will win...and HD-DVD seems more acceptable coming from DVD than Blu-Ray.

And lastly, look at Sony's track record. Sorry, but they're doomed!
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I seriously think people will be slow to adopt this...so companies will rush to lower prices to make the technologies more attractive...and since HD is the cheaper of the two to manufacture...HD will win...and HD-DVD seems more acceptable coming from DVD than Blu-Ray.

And lastly, look at Sony's track record. Sorry, but they're doomed!
Click to expand...

The Playstation 1 sold over 100 million units. The Playstation 2 sold better than that. Sony will have huge market penetration with the next generation video player.

How many people are gonna buy stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players? Not many, thats why bundling them with one of the best selling line of consoles is significant in penetrating the market.

 
Originally posted by: miri
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I seriously think people will be slow to adopt this...so companies will rush to lower prices to make the technologies more attractive...and since HD is the cheaper of the two to manufacture...HD will win...and HD-DVD seems more acceptable coming from DVD than Blu-Ray.

And lastly, look at Sony's track record. Sorry, but they're doomed!
Click to expand...

The Playstation 1 sold over 100 million units. The Playstation 2 sold better than that. Sony will have huge market penetration with the next generation video player.

How many people are gonna buy stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players? Not many, thats why bundling them with one of the best selling line of consoles is significant in penetrating the market.
Click to expand...


But how many people truly used their PS2 to play movies? I don't think many. I think many preferred a stand-alone player that was simply to operate/navigate.

 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: miri
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I seriously think people will be slow to adopt this...so companies will rush to lower prices to make the technologies more attractive...and since HD is the cheaper of the two to manufacture...HD will win...and HD-DVD seems more acceptable coming from DVD than Blu-Ray.

And lastly, look at Sony's track record. Sorry, but they're doomed!
Click to expand...

The Playstation 1 sold over 100 million units. The Playstation 2 sold better than that. Sony will have huge market penetration with the next generation video player.

How many people are gonna buy stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players? Not many, thats why bundling them with one of the best selling line of consoles is significant in penetrating the market.
Click to expand...


But how many people truly used their PS2 to play movies? I don't think many. I think many preferred a stand-alone player that was simply to operate/navigate.
Click to expand...

I do, I have no stand alone DVD player, its pretty easy to play movies, just push the button and use the top left and right buttons to fast forward or rewind. If that is to difficult you can buy the remote for like $15.
 
But I agree that the Playstation 2 is probably not widely used as a DVD player, because stand alone DVD players are so cheap, like $30. But the new HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players will be like $500 so that is significant and people will use the Playstation 3 as a player instead of spending $500 on a stand alone player.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: miri
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I seriously think people will be slow to adopt this...so companies will rush to lower prices to make the technologies more attractive...and since HD is the cheaper of the two to manufacture...HD will win...and HD-DVD seems more acceptable coming from DVD than Blu-Ray.

And lastly, look at Sony's track record. Sorry, but they're doomed!
Click to expand...

The Playstation 1 sold over 100 million units. The Playstation 2 sold better than that. Sony will have huge market penetration with the next generation video player.

How many people are gonna buy stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players? Not many, thats why bundling them with one of the best selling line of consoles is significant in penetrating the market.
Click to expand...


But how many people truly used their PS2 to play movies? I don't think many. I think many preferred a stand-alone player that was simply to operate/navigate.
Click to expand...

the ps2 didn't have the right interface and it's dvd player was lacking in features. With the PS3 geared towards the entertainment center, I think it will have the capabilities and connections to integrate it into your home theater. I will surely use the PS3, but thats counting on my getting an HDTV anytime soon. Not gonna happen as I will be in college this fall and living in a dorm, which equals no money for HDTV. I might hook up the PS3 to my computer monitor though, which since the PS3 is a non-HDCP blu-ray player, that would work wonderully. Screw you copy protection agencies.
 
Conisdering all the Laser issues Sony had with it's PS2, would you really want to risk burning your $600 PS3 out on movies? :Q A separate player is the way to go. Hell separate components in general are the way to go. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Mani
Can't say I agree - pretty different situation. DVD-A has very limited advantages over CD, and SACD is an obscure format that few are familiar with and again provides limited advantages over normal CDs. Meanwhile, unless you count D-VHS (which is as good as dead), HD-DVD and Blu-ray are going to be the ONLY methods of delivery for High Definition content aside from broadcast TV. They are huge steps up from their predecessor technology, while SACD and DVD-A were incremental at best.

Secondly, DVD-A and SACD have no governing standards body driving adoption. HDTV is an inevitability, and with it must come a vehicle. Major movie studios have already signed up to the new formats and consumers already have HDTVs they are dying to get content for. At least one of the formats is going to dominate, the question is which.
Click to expand...

That is a very good point. What I'm trying to say is look at it from a non-enthusiast standpoint. (trust me, I am an enthusiast to the max so to speak.)

DVD = have a great picture that is replayable and offers everything a consumer could ever want.
Super-bit DVD = same thing, but offers the scant minority of enthusists what they (we) long for.

I view it very similar to other highly superior formats - they offer everything the very small minority of consumers want and can actually tell the difference. This is a techie board and we know the difference and what is up.

But I still can't deny being one of the early adopters of HDTV back in 2000. And later having to coax (pun intendend) others along on the complexities of it. One has to look at this from the common consumer's view.

there were freakin' manufacturers offering promises that the products you buy will be future proof. I bought what is still today a premier TV back when digital displays weren't on the market save for plasma. I still have other display technologies (this is not waving e-peen around, just to show just how much this is a hobby for me).

All I'm really saying is the consumer doesn't know and doesn't care, but given enough time they will. I've been a huge audio/video freak for about 20 years now and I seriously cannot even fathom a comparison to the leaps and bounds that are occuring in the industry year over year. It's blazing/hot/burning/obsolescing year over year. It is indeed a good time to be a video/audio junkie. A damn good time.
 
i personally want hd-dvd to win (i started out a bluray fan) but after seeing ces the past few years I want hd-dvd to win.

And it being cheaper is 90% of the reason.... the other 10% is mpeg4.


As for the ps3 if its more than 500 bucks (which is likely) I dont think it will sell anywhere near 100 million units (and if it does it will take 10-15 years). The whole reason there were 100 million sales is because of the kiddies who convinced mommy and daddy to buy one. Most parents arent going to be willing to drop 500+.
 
Originally posted by: arod
i personally want hd-dvd to win (i started out a bluray fan) but after seeing ces the past few years I want hd-dvd to win.

And it being cheaper is 90% of the reason.... the other 10% is mpeg4.


As for the ps3 if its more than 500 bucks (which is likely) I dont think it will sell anywhere near 100 million units (and if it does it will take 10-15 years). The whole reason there were 100 million sales is because of the kiddies who convinced mommy and daddy to buy one. Most parents arent going to be willing to drop 500+.
Click to expand...

it wont be all that much cheaper. the initial players for hd-dvd will be, but the technology is barely going to effect price. manufacturing the discs is not as cheap for blu-ray but will have a negligible effect on media consumers buy. sony already stated the prices will be relatively decent ($23 for new release, hd-dvd is going to be similar, save for a dollar or two difference). the reason the equipment to play BD-ROM's will be more expensive? I dunno, ask Samsung why. They both use a blu laser, except Blu-Ray's is focused at a shallower depth, can't see that alone impacting unit cost. As more players are released prices will fall and there will be more competition. samsung is trying to throw it away with the first BD-ROM player.

oh, and mpeg4 has what to do with any of this? both disc's are capable. what technology goes onto the disc is not determined by the medium, but rather the space available. a cd can have mpeg4 on it, its just whether or not there is a player that can decode it. my dvd drive can player xvid's (mpeg4) 😀
 
It all depends on which format porn will be more available on...porn was the driving force behind VHS beating Beta...
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Mani
Can't say I agree - pretty different situation. DVD-A has very limited advantages over CD, and SACD is an obscure format that few are familiar with and again provides limited advantages over normal CDs. Meanwhile, unless you count D-VHS (which is as good as dead), HD-DVD and Blu-ray are going to be the ONLY methods of delivery for High Definition content aside from broadcast TV. They are huge steps up from their predecessor technology, while SACD and DVD-A were incremental at best.

Secondly, DVD-A and SACD have no governing standards body driving adoption. HDTV is an inevitability, and with it must come a vehicle. Major movie studios have already signed up to the new formats and consumers already have HDTVs they are dying to get content for. At least one of the formats is going to dominate, the question is which.
Click to expand...

That is a very good point. What I'm trying to say is look at it from a non-enthusiast standpoint. (trust me, I am an enthusiast to the max so to speak.)

DVD = have a great picture that is replayable and offers everything a consumer could ever want.
Super-bit DVD = same thing, but offers the scant minority of enthusists what they (we) long for.

I view it very similar to other highly superior formats - they offer everything the very small minority of consumers want and can actually tell the difference. This is a techie board and we know the difference and what is up.

But I still can't deny being one of the early adopters of HDTV back in 2000. And later having to coax (pun intendend) others along on the complexities of it. One has to look at this from the common consumer's view.

there were freakin' manufacturers offering promises that the products you buy will be future proof. I bought what is still today a premier TV back when digital displays weren't on the market save for plasma. I still have other display technologies (this is not waving e-peen around, just to show just how much this is a hobby for me).

All I'm really saying is the consumer doesn't know and doesn't care, but given enough time they will. I've been a huge audio/video freak for about 20 years now and I seriously cannot even fathom a comparison to the leaps and bounds that are occuring in the industry year over year. It's blazing/hot/burning/obsolescing year over year. It is indeed a good time to be a video/audio junkie. A damn good time.
Click to expand...



20 years ago buying a TV was pretty much a question of how big of a screen you want (or could afford). Sure the AV gurus could nitpick here and there but the regular consumer really didn't see a difference.

Today, buying a TV takes a serious amount of research and education just to understand what is availble.

Explaining the difference between interlaced and progressive to people without decent tech knowledge is pretty futile. Either they don't get it or they flat out REFUSE to believe me. 😛
 
sorry to be so blunt...but here it goes..

blah, blah, blah, blah, cost of players, blah, cost of media, blah, cost of media, blah, adoption rate, blah, bit-rate, blah, blah, blah, copy protection, blah, RIAA, blah...blah, blabbity, blah.

"does it play on my new HDTV?
"Yes"
"great"

The driving force doesn't care about any of those things. Nothing can touch the speed of the DVD.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top