HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray Disc (BD-ROM)

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Blu-ray is the better format. I hope all the idiots (the same people who hate letterbox format) don't screw this up for those of us who don't necessarily think of our wallets first and foremost.

Beta was the better video recording format, and all the idiots who got sucked into the longer recording time hype, screwed it up for everybody. I'm used to the better technology losing now...

Which video tape format did you hi-tech geniuses choose?

i chose the Philips 2000 VCR.....double sided videotape like a normal audiotape....fantastic quality, better than VHS and Betamax, and cuz it was double sided u got 8 hours perfect quality recording (for a tape format that is..lol)

sadly the Philips died before the Beta did.....lol....no marketing done for it, very few pre-record tapes available.....

i got laughed at in school once, when watching a film during a lesson it ends upbruptly, the teacher says i guess they ran out of room recording it for me last night...i said turn the tape over......i'd never used a VHS/Beta before....didnt know they only used one side......lol

 

[jfall]

Does anyone know if either of these two formats will backwards compaitble? ie. will you be able to play regular cd's/dvd's in blue-ray hd-dvd players?

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: jfall
Does anyone know if either of these two formats will backwards compaitble? ie. will you be able to play regular cd's/dvd's in blue-ray hd-dvd players?

Read the original post.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: Marauder911

Originally posted by: jfall
Does anyone know if either of these two formats will backwards compaitble? ie. will you be able to play regular cd's/dvd's in blue-ray hd-dvd players?

Read the original post.

read the original post? nah, no point, its all a load of teknulogy jargon.........


oh wait, im a on tech site....damn....lol

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte

Originally posted by: Marauder911

Originally posted by: jfall
Does anyone know if either of these two formats will backwards compaitble? ie. will you be able to play regular cd's/dvd's in blue-ray hd-dvd players?

Read the original post.

read the original post? nah, no point, its all a load of teknulogy jargon.........


oh wait, im a on tech site....damn....lol

Compatibility: Dual lasers needed for backwards compatibility with current DVDs and CDs
Compatibility: Dual lasers needed for backwards compatibility with current DVDs and CDs

Same for both.
The readers CAN be compatible, but they aren't necessarily going to be.

 

[Digobick]

Originally posted by: arod
Ok.... post CES2005 I have changed camps. I was firmly in the blueray camp but man what a diassapointment. Very few manufacturers have drives there and when they did it was one prototype and one movie showing.

HD-DVD on the other hand bought a pretty big booth (blueray didnt have a booth that I could find) and had 4 or 5 HD-dvd prototypes there and had different stuff playing on all of them. Many movies were shown and basically had their sh!t together. Unless something drasitcally changes and very soon blueray will be the next BetaMax.

The lack of movies is not entirely surprising, considering the Blu-Ray camp currently has only Sony and Disney making movies, while HD-DVD has Warner Bros., Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios, and New Line Cinema. Instead of the major movie studio support, Blu-Ray has support from the gaming and computing industries.

As far as the hardware on display, Sony, Panasonic, and Philips all had Blu-Ray Players/Recorders demoed at CES.

 

[Chaotic42]

The part about game makers choosing one over the other is good. I'm tired of getting 4 or 5 CDs with a game.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
The part about game makers choosing one over the other is good. I'm tired of getting 4 or 5 CDs with a game.

If they didn't put the game on DVD, why would they put it on HD-DVD or BD-ROM?

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: arod
Ok.... post CES2005 I have changed camps. I was firmly in the blueray camp but man what a diassapointment. Very few manufacturers have drives there and when they did it was one prototype and one movie showing.

HD-DVD on the other hand bought a pretty big booth (blueray didnt have a booth that I could find) and had 4 or 5 HD-dvd prototypes there and had different stuff playing on all of them. Many movies were shown and basically had their sh!t together. Unless something drasitcally changes and very soon blueray will be the next BetaMax.

OT, but was wondering if you saw the 1080p DLP sets from Samsung? How did it look?

 

[IGBT]

..what ever format wins..playback compatability with existing pool of dvd's is a must. That's the path of least resistance to public acceptance..and the fundamental component in a successful marketing concept.

 

[arod]

Originally posted by: Digobick

Originally posted by: arod
Ok.... post CES2005 I have changed camps. I was firmly in the blueray camp but man what a diassapointment. Very few manufacturers have drives there and when they did it was one prototype and one movie showing.

HD-DVD on the other hand bought a pretty big booth (blueray didnt have a booth that I could find) and had 4 or 5 HD-dvd prototypes there and had different stuff playing on all of them. Many movies were shown and basically had their sh!t together. Unless something drasitcally changes and very soon blueray will be the next BetaMax.

The lack of movies is not entirely surprising, considering the Blu-Ray camp currently has only Sony and Disney making movies, while HD-DVD has Warner Bros., Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios, and New Line Cinema. Instead of the major movie studio support, Blu-Ray has support from the gaming and computing industries.

As far as the hardware on display, Sony, Panasonic, and Philips all had Blu-Ray Players/Recorders demoed at CES.

Yes companies had blueray stuff there but they wernt making a big deal out of it.... Panasonic for isntance had about 2 ft wide booth for blueray (one device there playing I,robot).

While HD-DVD had a whole booth there with 15 TV showing different movies, which is why I said Hd-DVD has their "sh!t together" and blueray doesnt..... couple this with the fact that movies will be on HD-DVD by the end of 2005 and the cost point I personally think blueray is all but dead unless they were withholding stufff from CES (and I see no reason they would do that).

And yes I saw the 1080p displays... they looked great (as everybody expected, same quality as 1080i but none of the effects of the interlacing... basically a smooth 1080i image is what it looked like)

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
The part about game makers choosing one over the other is good. I'm tired of getting 4 or 5 CDs with a game.

If they didn't put the game on DVD, why would they put it on HD-DVD or BD-ROM?

Please don't crush my hopes. 😉

 

[ElFenix]

EA Games, Vivendi Universal Games

and they've put all of 3 games on DVD so far...


CD royalties are so dirt cheap compared to DVDs that it is still cheaper for the game makers to make a 5 CD game than a 1 DVD game. unless the royalties on HD or BD are lower than DVDs don't expect many games to come out on HD or BD any time soon.

 

[StageLeft]

Fact is both are unneeded right now. None can offer anything meaningful for the average home theater user. It will be years before the general populous has been saturated with HDTV sets in vast numbers, and until then these are just offering quality that can't be used. Plus, people will hate to drop their DVD collections any time soon.

And HD-DVD or blu ray for video games? Lmao, most are still on cd for fvck's sake.

I'm seriously questioning if hd-dvd or blu-ray will ever take off in great numbers. I am beginning to suspect that by the time the average consumer is demanding vast amounts of storage the next medium will be out.

 

[CQuinn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Fact is both are unneeded right now.

Fact is, I have two 250GB drives in once system right now, and I'd love to have an optical disc
solution for backups that doesn't require a whole stack of CD/DVDs to work with.

None can offer anything meaningful for the average home theater user.

More capacity = more storage space for existing home theater uses. Just being able to
think of either technology as a means to store every season of <insert favorite show here>

It will be years before the general populous has been saturated with HDTV sets in vast numbers, and until then these are just offering quality that can't be used.

Every new technology targets the early adopters, who do exist in great enough numbers to support
the introduction of HDTV and the various HD/ED sources coming to market.

[/quote] Plus, people will hate to drop their DVD collections any time soon. [/quote]

One of the early uses of these technolgies will be to consolidate and create custom compilations of
video content, just as people did (and still do) with converting old LPs and cassete tapes to CD/MP3.

And HD-DVD or blu ray for video games? Lmao, most are still on cd for fvck's sake.

True there, if anything, those companies are more likely to shift up to DVD while the next
format wars are fought.

I'm seriously questioning if hd-dvd or blu-ray will ever take off in great numbers.

I can remember a similar comment was raised about recordable DVD, and recordable
CDs before that. When I bought my first desktop, I was told I'd never be able to fill
that 245MB hard drive that came with it. Now I create files bigger than that doing a
low res video capture (to MPEG-4) of the average sitcom.

I am beginning to suspect that by the time the average consumer is demanding vast amounts of storage the next medium will be out.

Which is much better than the alternative. You need to lead with a technology that is ahead of
user demand, so it has some time to mature by the point where it actually becomes affordable
for the average consumer.


Onery, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that First-Gen Beta tapes could only
do about an hours worth of video. The 3 hour standard came later. Whereas VHS (while coming
late to market) started out with a tape length that would allow for placing a full length movie on
a single tape, as well as being more open with thier licensing to movie studios.

 

[0roo0roo]

And HD-DVD or blu ray for video games? Lmao, most are still on cd for fvck's sake.

yea...3 or 4 cd's...a situation annoying as f*ck, consoles are on dvds already, and next gen consoles will only use more.

and yes, never underestimate the ever growing storage problem. u remember the 400mb hd just a few years ago? heck, just look at the pathetic dvd camcorders they are coming out with now. totally inadequate storage leads to super compressed garbage video. look at the stand alone dvd-r recorders..2 hours in standard vcr quality mode, and well, garbage quality for any longer. and of course the evolution of dvd movies themselves, early discs had sh*t special features/music tracks and low bitrates.. plenty of space to spare. now...bitrate is sacrificed for special features and such..or movies are split over 2 discs.. like schindlers list, or lord of the rings ee editions. never aim low....

how many widescreen tv's were out when dvd came out anyways? almost none.....

Plus, people will hate to drop their DVD collections any time soon.

well yea, which is why the next tech should be a far enough jump ahead that it justifies people dumping more money into it.

 

[StageLeft]

Fact is, I have two 250GB drives in once system right now, and I'd love to have an optical disc
solution for backups that doesn't require a whole stack of CD/DVDs to work with.

You don't represent the average consumer. The average joe can barely fill a 40 gig hd now, since it's a minority who have the majority of data.

Every new technology targets the early adopters, who do exist in great enough numbers to support
the introduction of HDTV and the various HD/ED sources coming to market.

And every once in a while it's a wasted effort: betamax, laserdisc, and dat being examples.

One of the early uses of these technolgies will be to consolidate and create custom compilations of
video content, just as people did (and still do) with converting old LPs and cassete tapes to CD/MP3.

That's a fringe attraction. The average joe has no interest in dicking around on their computer throwing things together in various programs. The majority of people still listen to music through CDs for pete's sake, and haven't even converted them to MP3.

I can remember a similar comment was raised about recordable DVD, and recordable
CDs before that. When I bought my first desktop, I was told I'd never be able to fill
that 245MB hard drive that came with it. Now I create files bigger than that doing a
low res video capture (to MPEG-4) of the average sitcom.

All technologies have nay-sayers, but sometimes they're right, betamax, laserdisc, dat again being examples.

The need for more room simply does not exist now. When DVDs came out it took a while to reach market saturation but they _immediately_ offered benefits. What do the new gens offer people? ZILCH, unless you have a pimp ass home theater setup or hundreds of gigs of porn and crap you want to put on disks! I can't think of a single, honest line that somebody at best buy could gift joe blow as to why he needs to buy a blu-ray player.

Considering the ever increasing rate of technological inovation one has to wonder how long until the next-next gen comes along. If it pops out in say 2008, and people hear about it, they'll probably just go straight from DVD to it.

These disks can hold a lot, but until consumers have something attractive in that storage, they will not buy. Right now there is basically nothing attractive - nothing meaningful to joe blow. What do they get by bringing this hd-dvd player home and plugging it into their $400 TV set?

DVDs have taken off ok, but it took some years, and they were a clearly superior format in pretty well all regards (smaller, better quality, more content). I just can't see next-gen taking off as quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a next-next gen out before hd-dvd/blu-ray make a real impact. Plus, I should note the most important thing here is that the harder blu-ray and hd-dvd fight, the harder they'll both die, unless players are easily produced to play both formats.

 

[0roo0roo]

That's a fringe attraction. The average joe has no interest in dicking around on their computer throwing things together in various programs. The majority of people still listen to music through CDs for pete's sake, and haven't even converted them to MP3.

well i guess ipods are meaningless and shouldn't really exist😉

The need for more room simply does not exist now. When DVDs came out it took a while to reach market saturation but they _immediately_ offered benefits. What do the new gens offer people? ZILCH, unless you have a pimp ass home theater setup or hundreds of gigs of porn and crap you want to put on disks! I can't think of a single, honest line that somebody at best buy could gift joe blow as to why he needs to buy a blu-ray player.

well, look at the market for hdtv's.. the prices are coming down, and the reasons for getting a normal tv gets smaller by the year. then theres the fcc change over which might give it a push too. hdtv video is very obviously better on hdtv sets.

and look, when dvd first came out... most people had computer speakers that were 5 dollars from taiwan, let alone the 5.1 monsters we have today...same with home theater audio. so initially most people got no benifit from "digital sound"... vhs stereo is actually very good u know.

 

[Staples]

Good info I will have to read earlier. As far as I know now, they are just two different sized optical disks. Common sense tells us to adopt the bigger of the two. That is my uninformed opinion at least since I am not totally familar with the products.

 

[0roo0roo]

well one big problem with hddvd dual formats is that single layer dvd bit of only 4.7gb..thats not enough. most dvds are dual layer these days.. with bluray and its ability to have dual layer dvd + bluray on one disc, would be a killer if they can pull that off on every release.