Hayden: CIA Had Fewer Than 100 Prisoners

wirelessenabled

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So the CIA, headed by an active duty general, gets 70% of its NIE information from the "fewer than 100 people" it has detained in the last 5 years? What a narrow view of the world these folks have:frown:

We spend how many $billions on the CIA and related intelligence agencies and this is all they can come up with?

As another point, why did the Senate allow Hayden to stay on active duty while assuming the head of the CIA post? Seems like that is treading in dangerous waters to me.



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Hayden: CIA Had Fewer Than 100 Prisoners
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Sep 7, 6:53 PM (ET)

By ADAM GOLDMAN

(AP) CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden speaks at the Council on Foreign Relations, Friday, Sept. 7, 2007,...
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NEW YORK (AP) - CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden praised the U.S. government's much-criticized program of detaining and interrogating prisoners Friday, crediting it for most of the information in a July intelligence report on the terrorist threat to America.

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City, Hayden defended the government's policy of extraordinary rendition, criticized the media for publishing stories about the government's intelligence activities, and warned that al-Qaida is trying to plant operatives in the United States.

Extraordinary rendition refers to the interrogation policy involving the secret transfer of prisoners from U.S. control into the hands of foreign governments, some of which have a history of torture. The U.S. government says it does so only after it is assured that transferred prisoners will not be subjected to torture.

The use of extraordinary rendition for terror suspects - some of whom were later released, apparently because they were innocent - was revealed by news media in 2005.

The renditions have been "conducted lawfully, responsibly, and with a clear and simple purpose: to get terrorists off the streets and gain intelligence on those still at large," Hayden said.

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Hayden also said claims by the European Parliament that at least 1,245 CIA flights flew through European airspace or airports were misleading because they implied that most of those flights were so-called rendition flights. Many flights carried equipment, documents and people, including himself, and had nothing to do with the extraordinary rendition program, he said.

"The actual number of rendition flights ever flown by CIA is a tiny fraction of that. And the suggestion that even a substantial number of those 1,245 flights were carrying detainees is absurd on its face," he said.

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He said media reports "cost us several promising counterterrorism and counterproliferation assets" because CIA sources stopped cooperating out of fear they would be exposed.

In one case, he said, news leaks gave a foreign government information that allowed it to prosecute and jail one of the CIA's sources.

In a 20-minute question-and-answer session with the audience, Hayden disputed assertions that the CIA has used mock drowning, stress positions, hypothermia and dogs to interrogate suspects - all techniques that have been broadly criticized.

"That's a pretty good example of taking something to the darkest corner of the room and not reflective of what my agency does," he told one person from a human rights organization.

Asked whether pulling out of Iraq would leave the country vulnerable to al-Qaida, Hayden said: "It cannot become a safe haven for those that would threaten the United States." Hayden said he didn't know if al-Qaida had operatives in the America but added that the terror group was trying to plant them here.

"We do see them working to train people whom you and I wouldn't raise an eyebrow about if they were getting off a plane with us at Kennedy," he said.

"People whose identity makes it easier, whose persona makes it easier for them to come into America and to blend into American society. That's going on. That's a reality."

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Associated Press reporter Pamela Hess contributed to this story from Washington.



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Wreckem

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He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

 

JD50

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wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled


As another point, why did the Senate allow Hayden to stay on active duty while assuming the head of the CIA post? Seems like that is treading in dangerous waters to me.

:confused:

You don't really know anything about the CIA or their history do you? I'll give you a hint, Gen. Hayden is not the first non civilian DCI.

The first 4 directors of the CIA were all active duty military, this is nothing new. Please remove your tin foil hat.

Sure I know a few things about the CIA like

RADM Sidney Souers, USNR January 23, 1946?June 10, 1946
LTG Hoyt S. Vandenberg, USA June 10, 1946?May 1, 1947
RADM Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, USN May 1, 1947?October 7, 1950
GEN Walter Bedell Smith, USA October 7, 1950?February 9, 1953


there hasn't been a non-civilian head of the CIA since early 1953 which if my math skills pass your scrutiny is 54 years 7 months ago.

Besides ............. I like my tinfoil hat:laugh:
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Why should he resign his commission?

Hayden should resign his commission because at present who is his master?

He is head of the CIA answerable to the President.

He is an active duty Air Force general subordinate to the Air Force Chief of Staff

General T. Michael Moseley is Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C. As Chief, he serves as the senior uniformed Air Force officer responsible for the organization, training and equipage of more than 710,000 active-duty, Guard, Reserve and civilian forces serving in the United States and overseas. linky

He is also subordinate in a certain sense to the Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne.

Then there is the Secretary of Defense.

As well as the military Chief of Staff.

Which of these priorities rises to the top? Who picks?

Much cleaner if he resigns his commission and is responsible only to the President.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.

Lying by omission? OH! Iget it now.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.

Lying by omission? OH! I get it now.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.

Lying by omission? OH! I get it now.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.

Lying by omission? OH! I get it now.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

Right reading comprehension.:thumbsup:

He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002

The CIA director said 70 percent of the information contained in the National Intelligence Estimate on the terrorist threat, which was released in July, came from the interrogation of detainees.

Seems you missed it again. Here's a clue: They don't hold all detainees in secret overseas prisons. Pass it on.

Lying by omission? OH! I get it now.

Lying about what exactly?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Lying by omission? OH! I get it now.
that was amazing! I haven't seen a quad-post in a long damn time. Congrats!

anyways, they did not "lie by omission." They've had less than 100 detainees "in secret prisons;" but perhaps they've had hundreds, or thousands, of other sources in various legitimate detention facilities troughout the world.

In fact, it is very common for them to interrogate or debrief the same detainees the DoD, FBI, or other agencies talk to.

Last, detainees are certainly not their only sources for information.

duh.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Wreckem
He also said the CIA has detained fewer than 100 people at secret facilities abroad since the capture of Abu Zubaydah in 2002, and even fewer prisoners have been secretly transferred to or from foreign governments.

READING COMPREHENSION.

You boldfaced the wrong part.

Should have bolded this part instead: the CIA has

In other words, the CIA isn't the entity that has the prisoners.

It's some other entity, probably one or several of the mercenary private contractors.

Gotta get info outta prisoners, but compliance with laws is too inhibiting on the CIA, so it's farmed out to private companies.
Are you accusing the US government of hiring private contractors to create and manage secret detention facilities?

proof? links? do you have anything, at all, to back up that claim?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled


As another point, why did the Senate allow Hayden to stay on active duty while assuming the head of the CIA post? Seems like that is treading in dangerous waters to me.

:confused:

You don't really know anything about the CIA or their history do you? I'll give you a hint, Gen. Hayden is not the first non civilian DCI.

The first 4 directors of the CIA were all active duty military, this is nothing new. Please remove your tin foil hat.

Well maybe you should brush up on your CIA knowledge a little bit too, eh Chief? While there have been non-civilian DCIs, General Hayden was not one of them. DCI is "director of central intelligence", a position that no longer existed after the Director of National Intelligence position was created post-9/11. General Hayden is the first CIA director who is NOT also the DCI.