Have you ever thought Creationism is something we simply cannot comprehend because of our LACK of scientific knowledge?

[LOLyourFace]

Seriously, I think of this from time to time.

A lot of atheists and non-believers regard creationism (the world created by a superior god) as a scientific-blasphemy and illogical.

But just what is science really? We speak as if our knowledge of our surrounding is perfect. But we all know that it is FAR from perfect. As a matter of fact, we really don't know anything.

IMHO, our knowledge is not even remotely adequate enough to explain even mankind's most primitive questions....Where did we come from? Does space have its end? If so, what is beyond it? Why do we teach evolution in school as we know it is flawed and far from 'scientific'? Where does our morality and ethics come from?

Is it truly (if any) scientific at all that the Big Bang is the very cause of your existence right now, reading this post while sipping on your drink? Then where did the big bang come from? You mean to tell me this pre-Big Bang 'singular matter' held all recipe for space, our world and the living and non-living things in our surroundings? Then where the fvck did Big Bang get this?

Before I go any further keep in mind, I'm not here to enforce any religion on you. This is something that I've been thinking about lately and some of you are probably already nodding right now, religious or not.

I've been thinking maybe creationism is something we cannot explain because our knowledge is very lmited. As stated before, what the hell do we know-- as we love to say-- scientifically? Our science's take on our origin becomes all theories, gone are the scientific procedures and hard facts.

Maybe creationism IS something that is far too advanced for us to understand and there IS a science behind it afterall? Maybe there is a complex mechanism behind god's existence. Maybe life after death IS a scientific process where god aids us to abandon our physical forms and exist in the form of pure energy for eternity... Maybe and just maybe, we simply cannot fathom its technology with our current knoweldge...

I mean, take the people from 1000 AD and tell them we can fly now. And not just fly, we fly in a metal casing with metal wings and you can get anywhere in the world within 24 hours. They would be utterly speechless. Their understanding cannot even grasp WTF is going on, but we can sit them down and explain how it works step-by-step very slowly... Because there WAS a logic to it after all...Maybe religion/god/creationism is on the same parallel, with us being the old folks?

Please refrain from knee-jerk responses and really think about this. AND please DO contribute what you have to say, as with my knoweldge on science is very limited and I can learn a lot from different perspectives...

 

[DaveSimmons]

Repost ^1024

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Repost ^1024

link please? And is it really what I'm talking about?

 

[iwearnosox]

God is dead.

 

[ElFenix]

G-d hates trolls

 

[SWirth86]

Who cares? Right now, I'm living and breathing here, doesnt really matter whether I got here because of a huge explosion of matter or some god just created life. I guess the creationism is a possibility, but theres nothing that would make me think that its true, still havent talked to god or jesus.

 

[halik]

no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

 

[tweakmm]

It's interesting that you bring up people from the past being unable to comprehend advanced concepts. People have been saying that we were created by a supreme god since humans have been around and it's a very crude view of the world. The concept of god is a human device to explain what we feel around us. I do think that the meaning to existance is something that very few people actualy have the capacity to comprehend, but I don't think it's in the form of a supreme ruler that created everybody. If you are wondering where the stuff for the big bang came from, I ask you where god came from. If anything, they are one in the same and the whole concept of god is the human comprehension of the universe and death/ascention is the human comprehension of the energy and matter that your body has used returning to the universe.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Repost ^1024

link please? And is it really what I'm talking about?

search "creation" "design" "evolution" in archived threads.

Creation science / intelligent design try to say a higher being is required for human existence, but they can provide no evidence to support this other than "odds are too huge otherwise."

There is no scientificully useful evidence to show anything other than that If a higher being created Earth, the dinosaurs, and (millions of years later) mankind, that being did it in such a way that it is not distinguishable from natural processes.

This does not "disprove" the existence of a higher being of course, just that there is no credible reason to believe in such a being except because of faith.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

 

[Yax]

You need cliff notes.

Here you go:
because we can't explain it, it must've been created by GOD.

 

[ArmenK]

If we think with your logic, there are an infinite number of possibilities that Science cannot prove because it "is not advanced enough". How about we dont make random guesses and instead just research and see where that leads us.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

The same could be said for any other theories. I argue that evidence is everywhere that everything as it is now is the result of the priciples of chaos theory. 1000 years ago we knew that we came from somewhere, we just couldn't comprehend the answer so a magical being in the sky was created to explain the uncomprehendable.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
You need cliff notes.

Here you go:
because we can't explain it, it must've been created by GOD.

I've asked you to refrain from knee-jerk responses. When did I assert creationism at any point in the thread? I was questioning my view as I was hoping to hear some intelligent responses from you guys. When did I say, "we can't explain it, it MUST BE GOD?" And furthermore if we can't explain it, why not?

I'm merely wondering if science and creationism reside on the same line.

 

[jjones]

This is an interesting thread. I can't remember seeing a discussion on creation vs. evolution before.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

Remember though gods have always been the way to explain things we don't understand. Its a nice neat solution. Sure all the specifics of evolution might not be ironed out yet but we're working on it and in time we'll be able to explain it fully instead of "god made us." If you get showtime I really encourage you to watch Penn and Teller's Bullshi[t] Its a great show and there was one that went over creation. Believing in creation from a supreme being is just wishful thinking for the religious.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
I'm merely wondering if science and creationism reside on the same line.

Did you gloss over both of my posts?

 

Your whole perception is limited by the human constraints.
No amount of dicussion will change that.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: jjones
This is an interesting thread. I can't remember seeing a discussion on creation vs. evolution before.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

The same could be said for any other theories. I argue that evidence is everywhere that everything as it is now is the result of the priciples of chaos theory. 1000 years ago we knew that we came from somewhere, we just couldn't comprehend the answer so a magical being in the sky was created to explain the uncomprehendable.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, my point IS exactly what you've said. Since we simply can't comprehend the answer-- the 'magical' process--therefore it SEEMS illogical and indeed magical. I'm questioning together with you that god or whatever superior is up there SEEMS magical and stupid because we can't even begin to understand it.

Just as the people from a thousand years ago would think the big metal planes are possible with some dark magic....

 

[Yzzim]

Ask any religious person where we came from and they will most likely (hopefully? ) say God created humans and all life.

Ask a non-religious person and they will use "millions and millions of years" as an answer.

Basically the same thoughts since we don't have true "100% factual" evidence.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

So you're saying that if God created the universe there wouldn't be background microwave radioation? The universe wouldn't be cooling?

It's almost humorous to read all these "facts" on the big bang, when God could have created the same exact thing.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

The same could be said for any other theories. I argue that evidence is everywhere that everything as it is now is the result of the priciples of chaos theory. 1000 years ago we knew that we came from somewhere, we just couldn't comprehend the answer so a magical being in the sky was created to explain the uncomprehendable.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, my point IS exactly what you've said. Since we simply can't comprehend the answer-- the 'magical' process--therefore it SEEMS illogical and indeed magical. I'm questioning together with you that god or whatever superior is up there SEEMS magical and stupid because we can't even begin to understand it.

Just as the people from a thousand years ago would think the big metal planes are possible with some dark magic....

You are misunderstanding my post
The concept of god and creationalism(god created earth in 7 days and put everything on earth in a rather short period of time) is very magical indeed and not because we can't comprehend it, the very opposite infact. It is a very simplistic concept to explain something much more complex. I'm not sure where the original matter came from, but everything that we have is the result of lots and lots of random things happening over a very very long period of time.

 

[Yzzim]

Is it truly (if any) scientific at all that the Big Bang is the very cause of your existence right now, reading this post while sipping on your drink? Then where did the big bang come from? You mean to tell me this pre-Big Bang 'singular matter' held all recipe for space, our world and the living and non-living things in our surroundings? Then where the fvck did Big Bang get this?

Evolutionists are going to ask you the question "Where did God come from? Has he always existed or did someone/something create Him"

There is no easy answer for that, other then we just don't know. God is God and there's somethings our mind just can't comprehend.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: halik
no...
theres scientific evidence supporting evolution/big bag (background microwave radioation, the cooling of universe etc.). There is no evidence for creationism

evidence > no evidence


Big bag has credibility due to that evidence. Creation has just as much credibility as any theory that you can think of the moment ("halik made all that is" for example )

Could you explain to me how your point is in parallel with what I've said? 1000 years ago, there were 'evidences' hinting that we could fly, just as they saw the birds in the sky. But they utterly failed to make the connection and acknowledge that we could someday fly in big metal machines in massive numbers, above the clouds.

We could be blind to the same thing. Evidence is everywhere, we simply cannot acknowledge it to its fullest extent just as they couldn't.

(And one of the evidence could be the same bird, which is god's creation.)

The same could be said for any other theories. I argue that evidence is everywhere that everything as it is now is the result of the priciples of chaos theory. 1000 years ago we knew that we came from somewhere, we just couldn't comprehend the answer so a magical being in the sky was created to explain the uncomprehendable.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, my point IS exactly what you've said. Since we simply can't comprehend the answer-- the 'magical' process--therefore it SEEMS illogical and indeed magical. I'm questioning together with you that god or whatever superior is up there SEEMS magical and stupid because we can't even begin to understand it.

Just as the people from a thousand years ago would think the big metal planes are possible with some dark magic....

You are misunderstanding my post
The concept of god and creationalism(god created earth in 7 days and put everything on earth in a rather short period of time) is very magical indeed and not because we can't comprehend it, the very opposite infact. It is a very simplistic concept to explain something much more complex. I'm not sure where the original matter came from, but everything that we have is the result of lots and lots of random things happening over a very very long period of time.

If you're doubting that God had the ability to create the Earth and everything on it in 7 days (6 actually) then you're underestimating what God can do.

I mean, He's God