Have you ever noticed how assumptions blind us to truth?

[Moonbeam]

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by
force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any
such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,
sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed
matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any
government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts
to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,
group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the
overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or
violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
thereof -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in
this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for
employment by the United States or any department or agency
thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize",
with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include
the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the
regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units
of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

AMENDMENTS
1994 - Pub. L. 103-322 substituted "fined under this title" for
"fined not more than $20,000" in fourth and fifth pars.
1962 - Pub. L. 87-486 defined the terms "organizes" and
"organize".
1956 - Act July 24, 1956, substituted "$20,000" for "$10,000",
and "twenty years" for "ten years" in the paragraph prescribing
penalties applicable to advocating overthrow of government and
inserted provisions relating to conspiracy to commit any offense
named in this section.

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1956 AMENDMENT
Amendment by act July 24, 1956, as applicable only with respect
to offenses committed on and after July 24, 1956, see section 3 of
act July 24, 1956, set out as a note under section 2384 of this
title.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I saw the following notion, perhaps attributed to Franklin, but it is one I've heard all my life:

?A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.?

-- attributed to Alexander Tytler, Scottish historian.

Isn't this something conservatives use to somehow warn us about liberals ? How so ans what sense do you make out of it? Is this really a concern?

For a true believer an assumption is just as good as the truth...even better it's pure knowledge.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=epistemology

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: microbial

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I saw the following notion, perhaps attributed to Franklin, but it is one I've heard all my life:

?A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.?

-- attributed to Alexander Tytler, Scottish historian.

Isn't this something conservatives use to somehow warn us about liberals ? How so ans what sense do you make out of it? Is this really a concern?

For a true believer an assumption is just as good as the truth...even better it's pure knowledge.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=epistemology

I used to be smart, or a bit so I guess. Now I just feel. I feel that figuring out what epistemology is is going to hurt my head. So I will ask you, if I may, to put your post into simple words of feeling. What did you feel that you wanted to tell me?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: microbial

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I saw the following notion, perhaps attributed to Franklin, but it is one I've heard all my life:

?A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.?

-- attributed to Alexander Tytler, Scottish historian.

Isn't this something conservatives use to somehow warn us about liberals ? How so ans what sense do you make out of it? Is this really a concern?

For a true believer an assumption is just as good as the truth...even better it's pure knowledge.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=epistemology

That`s bull shit!! You don`t even know what you just said......how pathetic!

 

[Muse]

The quote is patently absurd. The public waking up and realizing they can vote themselves money from the public treasury? Huh? The treasury is money that got there from their taxes. It's there to run the government. Think!

AFA the topic title goes, well yeah. Albert Einstein comes to mind for a person who achieved what he did by discarding cherished assumptions. There's a saying:

"Only the hand that erases can write the true thing."
? Meister Eckhart

 

[Vic]

The ancients who wished to illustrate illustrious virtue throughout the kingdom, first ordered well their own states. Wishing to order well their states, they first regulated their families. Wishing to regulate their families, they first cultivated their persons. Wishing to cultivate their persons, they first rectified their hearts. Wishing to rectify their hearts, they first sought to be sincere in their thoughts. Wishing to be sincere in their thoughts, they first extended to the utmost their knowledge. Such extension of knowledge lay in the investigation of things.

Things being investigated, knowledge became complete. Their knowledge being complete, their thoughts were sincere. Their thoughts being sincere, their hearts were then rectified. Their hearts being rectified, their persons were cultivated. Their persons being cultivated, their families were regulated. Their families being regulated, their states were rightly governed. Their states being rightly governed, the whole kingdom was made tranquil and happy.

From the Son of Heaven down to the mass of the people, all must consider the cultivation of the person the root of everything besides.

It cannot be, when the root is neglected, that what should spring from it will be well ordered. It never has been the case that what was of great importance has been slightly cared for, and, at the same time, that what was of slight importance has been greatly cared for.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, what are the two largest government programs?

Well, what are the two government programs that help the most Americans, the most?

How helpful are those programs going to be when people who are dependent on them wake up one day and find they are cut because we can't afford them? Yeah, real helpful.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

The ancients who wished to illustrate illustrious virtue throughout the kingdom, first ordered well their own states. Wishing to order well their states, they first regulated their families. Wishing to regulate their families, they first cultivated their persons. Wishing to cultivate their persons, they first rectified their hearts. Wishing to rectify their hearts, they first sought to be sincere in their thoughts. Wishing to be sincere in their thoughts, they first extended to the utmost their knowledge. Such extension of knowledge lay in the investigation of things.

Things being investigated, knowledge became complete. Their knowledge being complete, their thoughts were sincere. Their thoughts being sincere, their hearts were then rectified. Their hearts being rectified, their persons were cultivated. Their persons being cultivated, their families were regulated. Their families being regulated, their states were rightly governed. Their states being rightly governed, the whole kingdom was made tranquil and happy.

From the Son of Heaven down to the mass of the people, all must consider the cultivation of the person the root of everything besides.

It cannot be, when the root is neglected, that what should spring from it will be well ordered. It never has been the case that what was of great importance has been slightly cared for, and, at the same time, that what was of slight importance has been greatly cared for.

Excellent.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
(1)What is a liberal?

(2) what class of people are usually liberials?

(3) Government employees are they liberials or do they hang on the party that promises government growth and job security.

(4). Pretty much anyone who voted on this BS package is a liberal. FACT,

(5) I get a $250 bonus check from SS. This was not needed. I will not put that $250 back into System . I always wanted to light up a cigar with a $100 bill. Looks like I get to have 3 cigars. 2 $100 light ups and 1 $50. Now that Money will help no one. The paper may say its $100 but its really worthless paper.

Liberals are usually your lower class types. That are used by Dems to garner votes. You know the types Gay is cool Abortion is choice which infact it is. But the wrong choice= murder. Gay marriage. I am all for it . Give them a state tell them to stay in it . 100 years problem resolved.

Whether you believe in God or not. We are not animals acting like such is an afront to mankind.

For 6 years we listened to the war is wrong from the Dems . Even tho they voted for it.

Now its are turn . But its really not fair. Bush sucked. This guy is goiing to make Bush look like a Choires Boy. Secret meeting. Quick passage of a bill that will give powers to the Fed unlike any have ever had in the USA. Its going to be fun watching . But this isn't funny. Youth group movements . We been their done that.

I know today was a really Bad day . But I can't help buy think . What a hugh distraction that air crash was. May God have mercy on thier spirits. What time did that thing crash anyway?

I know you guys have heard this befor. But what was todays Date. 2/13/09.

Friday the 13th. THE 13th. Hugh date for the skulls. Tell me again . Why this bill had to be rushed threw. Was it the economics that they are worried about. OR a TIMELINE I think its about the Time line. Next week should be interesting.

You might be more convincing if you could:
(a.) spell half of the words in your posts
(b.) use proper sentences
(c.) try to make some attempt at not being a 100% partisan hack.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

The ancients who wished to illustrate illustrious virtue throughout the kingdom, first ordered well their own states. Wishing to order well their states, they first regulated their families. Wishing to regulate their families, they first cultivated their persons. Wishing to cultivate their persons, they first rectified their hearts. Wishing to rectify their hearts, they first sought to be sincere in their thoughts. Wishing to be sincere in their thoughts, they first extended to the utmost their knowledge. Such extension of knowledge lay in the investigation of things.

Things being investigated, knowledge became complete. Their knowledge being complete, their thoughts were sincere. Their thoughts being sincere, their hearts were then rectified. Their hearts being rectified, their persons were cultivated. Their persons being cultivated, their families were regulated. Their families being regulated, their states were rightly governed. Their states being rightly governed, the whole kingdom was made tranquil and happy.

From the Son of Heaven down to the mass of the people, all must consider the cultivation of the person the root of everything besides.

It cannot be, when the root is neglected, that what should spring from it will be well ordered. It never has been the case that what was of great importance has been slightly cared for, and, at the same time, that what was of slight importance has been greatly cared for.

Who are these ancients? We can hear in these words the real meaning of Jihad, the notion that the real war in life is with the false self, the ego or armor of denial that separates us from awareness of self hate. I would only caution that it is not in the knowledge of things, if by things we mean external, for real knowledge, if I may say so, is knowledge of the self. Sincerity is the only cure their is for self-deception and it is driven either by deep need or tremendous curiosity.