I'm pretty disappointed at this point that we haven't heard a peep out of nvidia as far as a dual-gpu card goes. I have a single GTX 295 and was waiting for a dual GF104 based card, but it's starting to look like that's not going to happen. I wanted to stick with nvidia, especially since I have a nForce board, but now I'm really beginning to think of sticking a next-gen ATI card in here.
Have we given up on a new dual-GPU card from nvidia?
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Why would they release one now? If it is going to show up, expect it when the high end cards ATI show up.
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indeed, Genx has a point. Nvidia would leave themselves fairly open for a beating if they released a "so so" product now, which they think is good enough to last against AMDs next generation/refresh..whatever.
Instead they are playing their cards smart and waiting for whatever comes out of the red wolfs den, and will most likely increase the core/shader/memory on whatever part they have made ready for such a fight.
Its BEYOND doubt, for me, that Nvidia have readied their dualgpu card. Without it, they most likely dont stand a chance when the 6k series hits the market.
Instead they are playing their cards smart and waiting for whatever comes out of the red wolfs den, and will most likely increase the core/shader/memory on whatever part they have made ready for such a fight.
Its BEYOND doubt, for me, that Nvidia have readied their dualgpu card. Without it, they most likely dont stand a chance when the 6k series hits the market.
Being that I was going to wait a few more months before I jumped makes no difference to me, but my 295 is getting a bit long in the tooth, especially driving newer games on my u2711's 2560x1440 native res.
Well, they released the GTX295 when the GTX285 held the single-GPU performance crown. Same as now. 5970 --> 4870X2, 480 --> 285.
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Grooveriding
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Yup they did. They are in a different situation now though. Wait too long and the new dual-gpu 6 series card will be out and faster again.
If they are trying to time the release to coincide with AMD's new cards, the likely time would be at 6870's launch. Hope it is faster than AMD's new single-gpu flagship, then they will have that window in the market until AMD launches their 6 series dual-gpu.
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I think you are right, nVidia has a dual gpu in progress to be released late this year or early next year. I hope the power consumption is also lower, like 200watts maybe instead of 335watts... Well see,,
I don't think we'll see a dual GPU card from nVidia until they can get the power usage in line. At < 300W I don't think they can beat the 5970. Consider the 480 uses more power than the 5970.
They had planned to do a dual104 a few months ago..
But now? I suspect NV is going to not bother, Cayman XT has similar performance (within 10%
to a gtx460 SLI, at a much lower TDP and cost to manufacture.
They have decided to drop prices to sell all the gtx460s before the 6K series launch, just to get market share and remove inventory. After that, i don't expect much more. It's just not profitable to sell a GPU similar to the 5870 in size and using gddr5 for below $200.
They are putting their hopes on the mobile parts and quadro. Which will generate a lot of revenue, enough til Q4 2011 when they have a chance at 28nm with Fermi 2.
Edit: I'm not against NV. I just hope they recover for the 28nm battle, because we need competition. Its the driver of innovation and good prices.
But now? I suspect NV is going to not bother, Cayman XT has similar performance (within 10%
to a gtx460 SLI, at a much lower TDP and cost to manufacture. They have decided to drop prices to sell all the gtx460s before the 6K series launch, just to get market share and remove inventory. After that, i don't expect much more. It's just not profitable to sell a GPU similar to the 5870 in size and using gddr5 for below $200.
They are putting their hopes on the mobile parts and quadro. Which will generate a lot of revenue, enough til Q4 2011 when they have a chance at 28nm with Fermi 2.
Edit: I'm not against NV. I just hope they recover for the 28nm battle, because we need competition. Its the driver of innovation and good prices.
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Once Fusion & Sandy Bridge get into the mobil space then NV will be in some trouble.
As long as they play "HD" flash video from the web and blu-ray without issue 90% of Joe Laptop users will be content with the cheaper option from their local B&M.
As long as they play "HD" flash video from the web and blu-ray without issue 90% of Joe Laptop users will be content with the cheaper option from their local B&M.
Assuming the general consensus of poor sales on the actual money-makers (GF104), I don't see the point of releasing a dual-gpu card right now. Aside from the usual "halo part" arguments, dual-GPU isn't a play towards the market that nV needs to be chasing, at least on the consumer desktop.
Strange thing is, the GF104 is already priced and positioned perfectly for that market and all indications are still of poor sales and high inventory stock.
If they have no secret response to 6xxx, I expect they will pull out of the high-end and focus on the mid-range and professional markets. No point in beating the horse that ATi already killed.
That said, I would still love to see a dual-Fermi card.
Strange thing is, the GF104 is already priced and positioned perfectly for that market and all indications are still of poor sales and high inventory stock.
If they have no secret response to 6xxx, I expect they will pull out of the high-end and focus on the mid-range and professional markets. No point in beating the horse that ATi already killed.
That said, I would still love to see a dual-Fermi card.
Source?
All we ever hear about is GTX 460 these days, on the forums, on the tech websites - right now whoever you ask is telling you to buy GTX 460's. I'd be very surprised if that didn't translate into sales.
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That is no doubt true, but it all depends on your production schedule as to whether that demand is oustripping supply.
If nvidia are ripping these things out (and we know they have plenty of fab time locked up at TSMC) then it's not remotely unpossible that sales are lagging production, which will result in inventory build-up, and a very competitive marketplace with AIBs price-cutting and adding things (think games) to move them more quickly...
That's exactly what we are seeing, and I would suggest that you certainly wouldn't see downward pressure on prices and those goodies being thrown in if demand oustripped supply
In addition, while the GTX 460 1GB is great value, it's not 'cheap', and there's the looming shadow of HD 6000 moving into the frame. You may have noticed that people are already suggesting around the traps that people about to upgrade wait a bit, which will no doubt lead to a gradual softening of the market for both sides...
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In response to Dribble, exactly this. There is, obviously, no direct source for current nV hardware sales information. The latest information on their inventory and the price drops on the 4xx products, particularly the GF104 parts, provides good evidence for an inference that supply is outstripping demand.
This evidence far outweighs the evidence of good reviews and comments on forums. These are not evidence of sales but evidence of the quality of the product. Quality does not always translate into sales.
Or Nvidia is entering into a price war with ATI and want to gain back some marketshare at the expense of profits.
While market share is certainly foremost in importance for both ATI and NV market strategy (or should be), we simply don't see the kind of supply problems ATI had all year. Everyone who wanted a $145 460 was able to get one. The analysis of supply >>>> demand seems correct.
I'm sure the cards are selling well -- they're currently *THE* sweet spot for acceptable 1080p performance at a reasonable price. Question is, how much market is there for a 4890-level performer two years after the 4890 was at a lower price point? All evidence points to sales volume, while relatively good, is lower than what NV would have liked.
You don't cut prices or increase value (bundles) of a product where supply < demand. If you do, even if the end goal is to gain market share at the expense of profit, the e-tailers will simply soak up the money (as we saw with the 5 series all year).
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I could see this, 460 SLI is about 15-20% faster than a single 480 but comes with a smaller bus and memory size, so for some the 460s are not appealing if they are using a high resolution.
How much would be gained from having the gf104 cores with those few more unlocked shaders is unknown though. There certainly would be a boost.
Also, would it of been worth it ? Look at benches of 460 sli vs a 5970, if they used fully unlocked gf104 cores it would of been certainly been faster, but it would of used more power.
There is a good chance they couldn't of even produced the card and kept it below the 300W PCIe power spec.
And, dual-gpu cards are a product you release to attain the bragging rights crowd and the waterfall effect given to your full lineup of products that having the fastest card on the market gives. There is no point in going for that position just to lose it within a month or two to AMD's upcoming 6 series cards.
If anything, so quickly producing said card and having it rapidly eclipsed by your competition could have a negative effect on opinion of your products as a whole rather than the positive light having the fastest video card gives AMD or nvidia.
I think nvidia is just going to turtle in the performance crown area until they can get their act back together and try to make a release timed to meet one of AMD's that puts them not only ahead in performance but also ahead or on parity in release cycle timelines.
Clearly the 480 did not do much for them even with its performance edge over a 5870. It came too late and did not give a remarkable difference for most buyers over what was already here in the 5870. And only five months later we're now on the cusp of another AMD release neutering whatever performance advantage the 480 had.
They need to pull off another 8800GTX type release before wasting their time on a dual-gpu part, that in the current climate of competition from AMD, will likely not sell well at all.
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I have a T5800 2.0ghz C2D CPU and onboard GM4500 graphics and the laptop plays any 1080P content, including Blu-Ray through HDMI when connected to a TV. Therefore, laptops have already been good enough for blu-ray and HD flash video for a long time.
Also, the slowest GTX4xx mobile card from Nv is going to be 2x faster than Sandy Bridge gpu since it will be 2x faster or more than the 310M. Considering current NV 310M is as fast as a 5450, which itself is as fast as the SB 12 EU GPU. GT 415M has more than doubled the specs compared to the 310M.
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