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zsdersw

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/236996

Ever since the Tea Party phenomenon gathered steam last spring, it has been plagued by charges of racism. Placards at rallies have depicted President Barack Obama as a witch doctor, denounced his supposed plans for "white slavery," and likened Congress to a slave owner and the taxpayer to a "n----r." Opponents have seized on these examples as proof that Tea Partiers are angry white folks who can't abide having a black president. Supporters, on the other hand, claim that the hateful signs are the work of a small fringe and that they unfairly malign a movement that simply seeks to rein in big government. In the absence of empirical evidence to support either characterization, the debate has essentially deadlocked.

Until now, that is. A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. "The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability"—25 percent, to be exact—"of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters," says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. "The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race."

Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

These results are bolstered by a recent New York Times/CBS News survey finding that white Tea Party supporters were more likely to believe that "the Obama administration favors blacks over whites" and that "too much has been made of the problems facing black people." The survey also showed that Tea Party sympathizers are whiter, older, wealthier, and more well-educated than the average American. They're "just as likely to be employed, and more likely to describe their economic situation as very or fairly good," according to a summary of the poll.

If Tea Party supporters are doing relatively fine, what are they so riled up about? These studies suggest that, at least in part, it's race. The country that the Tea Partiers grew up in is irrevocably changing. Last month, new demographic data showed that minority births are on the verge of outpacing white births. By 2050, Hispanics are expected to account for more than a quarter of the American population. The Tea Partiers "feel a loss … like their status has been diminished," says David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which examines issues of race. "If you listen to [their] language, it's always about 'taking our country back.' But it's really not taking the country back as is. It's taking the country back"—as in time.

Bositis finds the movement's arguments about reckless federal spending unpersuasive. Why, he asks, weren't they up in arms when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? "I don't like to be in a position where I'm characterizing people as being racially biased," says Bositis. "But when the shoe fits, what do you do?" Given modern societal norms, "they know they can't use any overtly racist language," he contends. "So they use coded language"—questioning the patriotism of the president or complaining about "socialist" schemes to redistribute wealth.

The Tea Partiers bridle at such accusations. "That is so pathetic," says Danita Kilcullen, the founder of Tea Party Fort Lauderdale. "Nobody in the Tea Party movement that I know is a racist." She notes that she attends a church with a black pastor, supports a black candidate (Allen West) in a local congressional race, and backs a Latino candidate (Marco Rubio) for U.S. Senate. When a protestor showed up at one of her group's rallies with a racist sign, she says, she personally kicked him off the corner. "We absolutely don't tolerate anything like that," says Kilcullen. "Nobody uses the N word. Nobody calls Mexicans all those ugly things that people say. Those are lies about us." She concedes that the movement doesn't draw many African-Americans. "But that's because all the black people voted for Obama," she says. "Well, not all—but 90 percent." (It was actually 95 percent.)

Some Tea Partiers blame the media for casting them as racists. "It really makes me mad," says Tom Fitzhugh, a Tea party activist in Tampa. "They have tried to portray us as a bunch of radical extremists." He considers Obama an abomination—possibly "the most radical-voting senator that ever was" and someone likely to "take us down the path of destruction." He believes the administration is intent on taking away his guns, trampling on states' rights, and opening the borders with Canada and Mexico. He has serious doubts that Obama was born in the U.S. and suspects that the president is a closet Muslim. (There's no evidence to support any of these accusations.) But his anger has nothing to do with race, he says. The real issue is that Obama is "taking down the Constitution and the way it's governed us for [hundreds of] years." All he wants, in other words, is to take his country back.

This article isn't terribly persuasive, one way or another, as we must always consider the motives of everyone mentioned and cited in it, but it is more fuel for the fire.

Please respond with an assessment of the points raised in the article, not with criticisms of ancillary aspects like "it's from Newsweek".
 

spidey07

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So stating the obvious makes one a racist? So encouraging true equal opportunity for all is racist?

Special favors, programs or incentives for a certain race are about as racist as they come because that means one truly believes they are inferior.

Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.
 
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bob4432

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give me a $100k and i can make numbers and "focus groups" say anything you want. weak.

they just bring this shit out to try to divert from the reality that the pres is an epic failure along w/ pelosi, reid and the rest of the house and senate.
 

Linflas

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So to sum up their study Tea Party folks pretty much mirror those on the right and center right and their opponents pretty much mirror left and center left in their views on equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome.
 

xj0hnx

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Just more media trying to marginalize the opposition to their messiah.
 

MotF Bane

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I'm not sold on the racism data, nor even on this survey (1006 people, 7 states?), and the well-educated and employed is interesting given some of the allegations around here towards Tea Party supporters enjoying their government handouts. However, the acceptance of indefinite detaining and phone taps is disgusting.
 

nick1985

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I want a smaller, limited federal government that wont spend the nation into oblivion.

This makes me racist?
 

PJABBER

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I never understand the accusations of racism. So far as we know, everyone is of the human race. Yet the political partisanship expressed implies some are not.

I want to see more definitive proof that our politicians are actually manifestations of Nyarlathotep before I can go along with the typical racist commentary.

On the other hand, I can easily believe one has to sell their soul to the Devil to be a lawyer or a politician, so I am not against encouraging them all to go to Hell.
 
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Moonbeam

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So stating the obvious makes one a racist? So encouraging true equal opportunity for all is racist?

Special favors, programs or incentives for a certain race are about as racist as they come because that means one truly believes they are inferior.

Bigots are blind. No bigot is a racist. Bigots are all about being for the good. The only small problem is that their good is sick.
 

Moonbeam

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I want a smaller, limited federal government that wont spend the nation into oblivion.

This makes me racist?

Still supporting that lie? You believe is smaller government so long as you determine where government doesn't belong and huge government where you think it does. As I pointed out, you are for useless defense and against internal nation building by caring for the American people. What you call good is evil.
 

Moonbeam

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Bigotry expresses itself via the power of rationalization. Because the racist believes his racism is good he can justify anything. When he starts to feel he's a racist and that racism is evil, he puts lipstick on a pig and calls his racism racial blindness, blindness, of course to the damage caused by his racism.
 

shira

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So to sum up their study Tea Party folks pretty much mirror those on the right and center right and their opponents pretty much mirror left and center left in their views on equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome.

Have trouble with reading comprehension much? To quote from the OP:

"Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology"
 

Moonbeam

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Have trouble with reading comprehension much? To quote from the OP:

"Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology"

Bolding for the blind. Would that one could really do that. hehe
 
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I want a smaller, limited federal government that wont spend the nation into oblivion.

This makes me racist?
Of course...don't you see? It's plain as day! Fiscal responsibility is a KKK 'code' word. Everybody knows this. /s

Lemmings demonize because they don't have enough intelligence to muster an objective world view. Pathetic.

Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It!
 
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nick1985

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Still supporting that lie? You believe is smaller government so long as you determine where government doesn't belong and huge government where you think it does. As I pointed out, you are for useless defense and against internal nation building by caring for the American people. What you call good is evil.

You have not pointed out anything. You do not know my stance on many issues. Basically, as usual, you dont know shit. I envision you looking a lot like your avatar
 

Linflas

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Have trouble with reading comprehension much? To quote from the OP:

"Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology"

I read it but it makes no sense. How do you control for "partisanship and ideology" when asking questions that are all about "partisanship and ideology"? It is like saying you surveyed Democrats and Republicans for their views on political topics and controlled for "partisanship and ideology".
 

rudder

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Funny, Bill Cosby said the same thing about the black community.

"I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve? Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol?"

"Those people are not Africans, they don't know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaliqua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail."

"50 percent drop out rate, I'm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse? I want somebody to love me. And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them. All this child knows is "gimme, gimme, gimme."

The city and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don't want to accept that they have to study to get an education."

It's not what they're doing to us. It's what we're not doing. 50 percent drop out. Look, we're raising our own ingrown immigrants. These people are fighting hard to be ignorant. There's no English being spoken, and they're walking and they're angry. Oh God, they're angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things. And after they kill somebody, they don't have a plan. Just murder somebody. Boom. Over what? A pizza? And then run to the poor cousin's house.

"You can't keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you."



Cosby is a racist!
 
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Moonbeam

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You have not pointed out anything. You do not know my stance on many issues. Basically, as usual, you dont know shit. I envision you looking a lot like your avatar

I think you said something like government for the protection of the people and Constitution. And my Avatar is there because it's how clowns like you will see me so you are right on target because it's is actually you who doesn't know shit.
 

nick1985

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Funny, Bill Cosby said the same thing about the black community.

"I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve? Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol?"

"Those people are not Africans, they don't know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaliqua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail."

"50 percent drop out rate, I'm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse? I want somebody to love me. And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them. All this child knows is "gimme, gimme, gimme."


Cosby is a racist!

He is a huge RACIST!!!!
 

daishi5

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He believes the administration is intent on taking away his guns, ... (There's no evidence to support any of these accusations.)
Strange, I recall that the Attorney General said he talked with the president and that the president would like to reinstate the "scary black guns ban" (assault weapons ban).

Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did,
If I believe that black people should do the same work as other races to get the same rewards as other races, I am racist???

Why, he asks, weren't they up in arms when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit?
These people were not up in arms because the republican machine was working day and night to remind us about the evil terrorist boogy man. Maybe he forgot how the President lied to us to gain our support for those damn wars. (as a side note, could we please haul Bush's ass to jail for that, pretty please?) And even if they did support horrible spending under Bush, and they are horrible hypocrites, that doesn't mean we should not get our spending under control. Apparently even Obama and Bernanke see that, are they now racists?

Edit: Oh, and obviously racists are more likely to support the anti-obama groups than they are to support the pro-obama groups. We still have plenty of racists, and you have to accept that even legitimate groups who oppose a person of color will attract their support. I don't know the founders or organizers of the tea party movement, so I have no idea if they are racists, but I do support reduced government and a lot less spending. I also support raising taxes, eliminating a lot of tax exemptions, and simplifying the tax code to pay off our debt.
 
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PJABBER

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Understand that there has been no real attempt here to determine a useful profile because the premise is that singular liberal pre-supposition that the Tea Party is a homogeneous collection of people.

The Tea Party movement is exactly the opposite, which makes them much more powerful as a result.

It is not an organized group with a highly specific agenda. It is not devoted to a single leader as the Obamamamamaniacs are.

The closest analogue would actually be a flash mob with a serious outlook on life. That it represents the diversity of people who have been disenfranchised, marginalized and ignored by those in power at the moment should be a definite caution to those who hold power only by the tolerance of the electorate.

The Tea Parties are a loose agglomeration of people that are dissatisfied with the status quo and the only commonality is a focus on controlling profligate spending by government and, by extension, reducing the tax burden on those who pay taxes. To that, add any of hundreds of causes for dissatisfaction.

Even if the sample were 10,000 and covered the entirety of the U.S. it would not adequately capture a typical Tea Party member's viewpoint.

Feel free to call any progressive a racist and you will be spot on, the progressive philosophy is meant to exacerbate racial class differences. But it is disingenuous to characterize the Tea Parties as such as they have no focus on race in their anger at government. Until the honest distinction is recognized by liberals, all we can expect is more of their knee jerk race baiting in hope of sparking some violence that they can then point to and claim is racial.

Lately there have been significant efforts by the media to characterize the Tea Parties as violent as well as racist. This includes MSNBC trying to tie Timothy McVeigh to the Tea Parties, which did not even exist until a year or so ago, as well as any fringe activist they stumble across that is not a racist liberal.

This is dangerous and irresponsible at many levels. Even a peaceful person will be incited by virulent accusations, no matter how baseless. The Tea Party rallies have been extraordinarily peaceful events, probably the most peaceful I have ever seen. Yet, they are characterized as expressions of hatred and of violence by those who know better.

This continues the marginalization. If a group is already marginalized and is demonstrating in response, does an escalation of marginalizing and demonizing rhetoric allow them a hope for recognition? Or is it merely a confirmation of what brought them out of the comforts of their homes and steady lives in the first place?

Does the progressive left yearn for direct confrontation? Is their hatred so extreme that they will continue to incite riot? It certainly seems that way.
 

Fern

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Answering "yes" to these questions mean you're a racists?

When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed.

Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents.

I would think the opposite, because answering "no" may indicate a belief that black people are less capable than other races.

Regardless, I think this says more about the assumptions, attitudes and bias of those constructing this study than the respondants.

Fern
 

bob4432

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FYI - It's best not to bring up anyone's moderator when they are posting as a regular member. Otherwise, one risks straying into the 'moderator call-out' probelm. (And 'yes', ATP&N has moderators who are not "crazy liberals")

Fern
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holy shit, fern is at least middle, open minded non crazy liberal and a mod too? you must be the first one i have seen on here fern. are you the only 1?
 
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