Building a 2nd computer for myself cause my kids keep messing up my PC. Also those kiddie software they get from the library are mostly for win98 but I have winxp on mine. Anyway I have most of the parts needed, left over from prior builds laying around and all I need is really a motherboard and cpu. The last time I built one was 2 years ago (amd 2100xp) so I'm sort of out of the loop for a while. I keep reading about the P4 2.4C but that is slightly over my budget if you add in a motherboard. I'm in for overclocking but my case only has one input fan and one output so cooling is not the greatest. If I go with AMD what are my best choices and with what motherboard. Thanks.
Have $250 for CPU & MB - What should I get ?
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XP2500+ and an ABIT NF7-S v2.0. The two best AMD components for price/performance ratio bar none
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XP2500+ and an ABIT NF7-S v2.0. The two best AMD components for price/performance ratio bar none
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:beer:Originally posted by: Richdog
Easy:
XP2500+ and an ABIT NF7-S v2.0. The two best AMD components for price/performance ratio bar none
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Agreed
Originally posted by: Richdog
Easy:
XP2500+ and an ABIT NF7-S v2.0. The two best AMD components for price/performance ratio bar none
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The suggested cpu hands down is my personal choice but for the $ and toys i would buy a Asus a7n8x deluxe
Are you kids going to be using any software of than low end school or "kiddie" games ?
I don't even think a 2500+ would be in order, what current video card does it have currently? You could get an 8rda+ and a 1700+ for about $120, you could use the other $130 to upgrade YOUR current video card, and handdown the one for your children.
What speed memory? You have good chances of pushing 2ghz+
I don't even think a 2500+ would be in order, what current video card does it have currently? You could get an 8rda+ and a 1700+ for about $120, you could use the other $130 to upgrade YOUR current video card, and handdown the one for your children.
What speed memory? You have good chances of pushing 2ghz+
I see on pricewatch the xp2500+ is $83, but it lists 2 kinds of xp2500. One is xp 2500 333, the other xp 2500. Another thing I forgot to mention I also have 2 sticks of 256mb Samsung pc2700. Will this work with the ABIT NF7-S v2.0. Also what is a reasonable overclock for the given CPU.
bjc112:
I plan to give the current system to the kids. The new one is for me
bjc112:
I plan to give the current system to the kids. The new one is for me
you could get a 2.4c for 170 and an abit is7 and that'll run you a LITTLE over (about $20 bucks)....
but that thing will scream!!!
considering your case and cooling, you'll need to get an aftermarket hsf for the barton if you o/c it which you say you will...
you can use the retail cooler with the intel processor and clock that beast over 3.0 ghz on air with no sweat at default voltage...
but that thing will scream!!!
considering your case and cooling, you'll need to get an aftermarket hsf for the barton if you o/c it which you say you will...
you can use the retail cooler with the intel processor and clock that beast over 3.0 ghz on air with no sweat at default voltage...
Originally posted by: Vegetto
Originally posted by: Richdog
Easy:
XP2500+ and an ABIT NF7-S v2.0. The two best AMD components for price/performance ratio bar none
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Agreed
another vote for 2500+/NF7-s
bjc112:
I plan to give the current system to the kids. The new one is for me
I would then go with the Barton. IF you have a little cash, save it towards your next upgrade, which will probably be Athlon 64 or Prescott.
I got an Abit IS-7 and a P4 2.4c for about $260 and it does 3.3GHz. (however you would probably need RAM and a HS/F too)
Jeff7181
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Not to be rude, but... WRONG! I just got a retail XP2500 with the retail heatsink for my aunt and had it running at 2.2 Ghz at under 55 degrees C. I've never tested the retail heatsinks till now... and I can say without a doubt now, YOU DO NOT NEED EXTRAORDINARY COOLING TO OVERCLOCK A BARTON.
dont NEED it, some people dont like temps as "high" as 50C+ (though ive run my 1700+ oced at those temps without a problem)
the sk7 and a panaflo H1A (or some 80mm adjustable fan) can give you good cooling for under $25, its what i use and keeps my 1700+ at 40/45C (idle/load)
dont bother with pricewatch
newegg all the way. the barton 2500+ is 266fsb, the 333 speaks for itself
the pc2700 will work good in the abit
and ive seen several people here get 2.2ghz+ on a 2500+ i believe, probably higher by quite a bit
Jeff7181
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Running a processor with a 20% overclock at under 50 degrees celcius is rare... most of the time, you're looking at socket temps, not diode temps... so of course it's gonna look lower. I take temps from the thermal diode in the CPU... my socket temps are about 5-7 degrees C cooler than diode temps.
You can see on the refurb section of newegg and get a really good deal. I myself got the following Biostar MCDpro Nforce 2 for $54, barton retail $66, Radeon 9600 pro $123 total = $243 All the parts oc really good. the cpu is running at 2.3 gigs I am ready for half-life 2. Gotta love newegg :beer:
I am ready for half-life 2. Gotta love newegg :beer:if u have $250, spend it on an xp1800 (it's much easier to find a t-bred b 1800 than 1700 and it's almost the same price), abit nf7-s, thermalright sk7+ w/tt smartfanII, and the rest goes to a new case... just make sure it has decent airflow
Well there are mobos that are not dual channel DDR but support Hyperthreading and can run 200fsb. My Albatron i845pe chipset Pro mobo can handle it and can be had for 80 bucks or so....get the retail 2.4c since I see nowhere in his thread he wants or needs to oc. Problem is you will need a stick of PC3200...What ram do you have now?? The albatron has no divider less then 1:1 so ram will be running 400ddr....Sell old stuff and get some good budget pc3200 stuff and it shouldn't cost much...
For that price range though AMD will fit much nicer with some change left for the ram you should likely get....
naw that was pretty rude but that's okay... i've seen you post and seen how rude you can be to others but i won't take it personally...
let me rephrase... considering your case and cooling, you may want to get an aftermarket hsf for the barton if you o/c it which you say you will and want to run decently cool temps (under 50C's at 100% load)
and considering that i had an amd setup before, i should know... k thanks....
Yea if your lucky enough to get a refurb nf7-s v2.0 for $60 and a refurb 1800xp B for $40 and spend the rest on mem and HS/F. The only problem is catching the refurbs at the right time since they tend to go very quickly. Or you can go toward an intel setup which is a little more but many have said alot faster with the 800fsb.
Jeff7181
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If AMD would put those same heatsinks I got with the XP2500 with every retail processor, there wouldn't be much need for aftermarket ones...
This XP2500 for my aunt is in an Antec Solution series case, with a single 80mm case fan in front, and only one fan in the power supply for exhaust. And as I said... under 55 degrees Celcius running Prime 95. That's not bad at all for a stock heatsink/fan.
Up until recently I've told people to get an aftermarket fan to overclock as well... but AMD's retail heatsinks have improved dramatically since the days of the crappy aluminum ones with high speed fans for the old XP2100 Palomino.
So... while I may have been a tad rude... you are still wrong... because an XP2500 running 2.2 Ghz running 55 degrees with a retail heatsink is perfectly fine... last night I ran Prime 95 at that speed for 11 hours without an error.
But yeah... if AMD keeps shipping these heatsinks with their CPU's... everyone who says you NEED a better heatsink to overclock will be wrong, cause these new heatsinks are great... would probably be even better if you use Arctic Silver 3... I was just using the PCM that came on it to keep her warranty in tact should anything ever go wrong.
The only complaint I have about the new heatsink is that it seems to take quite a bit more force to secure the clamp... they say 15 lbs I think, but it felt like more than that, as I have installed their retail heatsink before without having to exert as much force.
wait, so how am i wrong if i say... "you MAY want to get a aftermarket hsf"....
i rephrased my comment before from a "need" to a may which converts my statement into now a suggestion...
i never realized that a person could be wrong about suggesting something...
so what do you do if you want to run 2.3 ghz or even 2.4 ghz?
i don't think you can use the retail one unless you're comfortable with seeing your temps soar above 60C's....
maybe the retail one is fine if you do some mild overclocking.... but there are those that like to push their chip to the max and i'm pretty sure you can't push your chip to the max with a retail hsf... even with an intel processor, you can't push it to the max w/o some sort of aftermarket heatsink (though some people have been known to push their chips past 3.5 ghz with the stock cooler)....
i rephrased my comment before from a "need" to a may which converts my statement into now a suggestion...
i never realized that a person could be wrong about suggesting something...
so what do you do if you want to run 2.3 ghz or even 2.4 ghz?
i don't think you can use the retail one unless you're comfortable with seeing your temps soar above 60C's....
maybe the retail one is fine if you do some mild overclocking.... but there are those that like to push their chip to the max and i'm pretty sure you can't push your chip to the max with a retail hsf... even with an intel processor, you can't push it to the max w/o some sort of aftermarket heatsink (though some people have been known to push their chips past 3.5 ghz with the stock cooler)....
I agree with Shimmishim, a stock heatsink may JUST keep your head above the water as far as a modest overclock is concerned, but most people i've ever met or talked to that overclock hate any temps that run into the mid-high 50's, for obvious reasons. Not all overclocked CPU's are stable in the 50's too, my 1800+ DLT3C hates any temps of around 55C and i get random reboots if it goes that high, and i presume the same could be said for quite a few Bartons too. It's like saying "Oh, you don't need a good car to travel, just make do with that Skoda instead!":beer:
um, yes i do...
honestly i REALLY REALLY do consider it moderate...
1.83 ghz to 2.2 ghz is an increase of about 370 mhz
370 / 1833 mhz = 20.2% overclock
i dunno about you but i think that's pretty moderate...
i ran my 2500+ @ 2.4 ghz and i think that was better than moderate but not too extreme...
running 2.4 ghz i needed more than stock cooling especially with 1.85 volts...
i've seen people in xtreme forums pushing their 2500+ to 2.4 to 2.6 ghz...
so i would definitely consider 2.2 ghz moderate...
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