Hauting video of "Elliot Rogers Retribution" student shoots and kills Sorority girls

[Conscript]

Now to just see which crazy from ATOT stops posting as of yesterday...

 

[jpeyton]

We really do need to enact strict background checks and make sure people with mental health issues don't get guns in their hands.

We already have it. California has universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods, magazine capacity limits, an assault weapons ban...the works.

Unless we invent some kind of Minority Report pre-crime system, we'll never be able to prevent every homicide. This guy wasn't a career criminal.

 

[Anubis]

We already have it. California has universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods, magazine capacity limits, an assault weapons ban...the works.

Unless we invent some kind of Minority Report pre-crime system, we'll never be able to prevent every homicide. This guy wasn't a career criminal.

yep this

 

[Conscript]

wow, I just watched it... B movies everywhere just became much more realistic.

 

[bshole]

Now to just see which crazy from ATOT stops posting as of yesterday...

Imma still posting, I was worried for a second that it might have been me!

 

[jackstar7]

I don't see a mental health issue. I see a spoiled kid who was jealous of men getting laid, so he pouted and killed people for not getting his way.

The contradiction is glaring.

Tantrums that involve murder are not carried out by the non-sociopath.

I hope his therapist is being investigated for malpractice.

 

[Subyman]

Crazy ass.

 

[Darwin333]

Manifesto - woa twisted is correct.

http://fusion.net/justice/story/elliot-rodgers-entire-140-page-manifesto-now-online-713671



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Holy shit, I skimmed it rather quickly and found a metric fuckton of batshit crazy!

Sounds like he was used to getting exactly what he wanted up until he hit high school age at which point his parents couldn't buy him what he wanted anymore. Instead of him being happy and motivated by other peoples success he hated people that were more successful than him, not the best way to fit in with said people and from the little I read it seemed he desperately wanted to fit in with those exact people.

The boys in my grade talked about sex a lot. Some of them even told me that they had sex with their girlfriends. This was the most devastating and traumatizing thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Boys having sex at my age of
Fourteen? I couldn’t fathom it. How is it that they were able to have such intimate and pleasurable experiences with girls while I could only fantasize about it?

These recent events cause me to withdraw even further away from the world. I drowned all of my misery in my online games. World of Warcraft was the only thing I had left to live for. My grades at Crespi dropped dramatically. I just didn’t care anymore. I hated that school. I didn’t think about my future. The only thing I gave any serious thought to was my WoW character. I had become very powerful in the game, and I was in one of the best guilds. With this guild, I participated in lots of five-hour raid events to collect better gear and armor for my character.

Oh gee, a guy that spends all of his free time playing WoW ends up a virgin, say it ain't so!!!

After being bullied so much in Eighth and Ninth Grade, I became more shy and timid than I ever was in my life. I felt very small, weak, and above all, worthless. I cried by myself at school every day. The very last day of Ninth Grade was the worst. I was having P.E. at the gym, and one of my obnoxious classmates named Jesse was bragging about having sex with his girlfriend. I defiantly told him that I didn’t believe him, so he played a voice recording of what sounded like him and his girlfriend having sex. I could hear a girl saying his name over and over again while she panted franticly. He grinned at me smugly. I felt so inferior to him, and I hated him. It was at that moment that I was called to the office. When I got there, my mother was waiting for me to take me home. I cried heavily as I told her about what happened earlier. That was the last day I ever set foot in Crespi Carmelite High School. Crespi was finished. I thought I could finally relax. Little did I know that the worst was yet to come.


My parents shocked me with very horrible news. They were planning on sending me to Taft High School. Taft had five times as many students as Crespi, it was a public school, it had girls in it, and it had a bad reputation. I had never been so scared in my entire life.
How could they do this to me, after knowing what I went through at Crespi?
Taft High School would eat me alive and spit me out. I felt so betrayed by my parents.

And the real batshit crazy ass kicker, instead of fantasizing about becoming popular or getting laid he instead dreams about becoming powerful enough to ensure no one gets laid:

I began to have fantasies of becoming very powerful and stopping everyone from having sex. I wanted to take their sex away from them, just like they took it away from me. I saw sex as an evil and barbaric act, all because I was unable to have it. This was the major turning point. My anger made me stronger inside. This was when I formed my ideas that sex should be outlawed. It is the only way to make the world a fair and just place. If I can’t have it, I will destroy it. That’s the conclusion I came to, right then and there.

 

[mrjminer]

The police said they interviewed him three times, and he came across as "kind," not crazy. So they didn't pursue the matter further. The kid was obviously not stupid, just off his gourd, and he knew how to fool the authorities. I don't see what more the authorities could have done. This is kind of like when a woman feels very threatened by an ex-boyfriend. Apart from a restraining order (which obviously doesn't have a parallel in Roger's situation), there isn't much the authorities can do to the ex-boyfriend until they actually catch him in the act.

So there probably wasn't anything else the cops could do in this case, either. I'm guessing the cops get a LOT of calls like this, and if they put 24-hour surveillance on every person who is reported as a crazy and a "threat," we'd need twice as many cops as we have now.

Good to know that they didn't take the threats he made lightly; I just hadn't seen any reports on what they had done after receiving the initial information of his threats. You are right that they don't have the resources for surveillance for every report, or even have cause to in all instances. People like this will always slip through the cracks on occasion.

Ahh ok, just read this ABC News report: http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-uc-santa-barbara-shooting-identified-family/story?id=23853918

The kid had aspergers and had been seeing therapists many in fact for a while. But why on earth didn't his parents get him committed as soon as they saw that video? What the hell?

We really do need to enact strict background checks and make sure people with mental health issues don't get guns in their hands.

Getting someone involuntarily committed is not an easy thing to do -- it varies by state and/or reason. The parents took the appropriate steps by alerting authorities; I think it is actually pretty surprising that they recognized that he was a threat to others -- and then actually had the sense to alert the authorities. I'm guessing their hands were tied from doing other actions, or they thought that if he was cleared by authorities he was deemed not a real threat and that they misjudged the situation.

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like a fatal case of vitamin V deficiency.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah that's true. My judgment was off. The reason I said that was because we have all felt anger, frustration and even that thought, "god, I want to kill that person".
I'm not a psychologist of course, but there is something in most of our minds that acts as a barrier keeping violent thoughts from becoming violent actions. This guy didn't have that obviously.
I am trying to relate to him because I was depressed when I was younger and it was very uncomfortable, but I can't imagine what it would be like for that barrier to not be there, no matter how depressed.
This is America after all. You don't actually give a shit about me do you? Didn't think so. Why should I give a shit about you or the people you might murder?

True, but I would think that most of us (at the very least me personally) generally get angry at specific people that caused us, or we perceived to cause us, pain. We don't get mad at every single woman in the world because one turned us down. We have all been jealous of someone at some point in our life but most of us, especially when the jealousy is something general (a guy is getting laid in general versus a guy that is banging the specific woman that you want), aspire to gain what it is we are jealous of versus deprive everyone else of it. There are exceptions of course but in general that is how normal people see normal issues in life.

No one cares about mental health here. Its not a priority. Even when someone has the money to get proper care, like this kid, something keeps it from happening. I think it has something to do with those damn human rights.
You have the right to be crazy and refuse mental health care (unless proven dangerous), but you don't have the right to kill people and commit suicide...but who needs a right to do that? This guy didn't.

I agree but think that even the above understates our problem. It is worse than "we don't care about mental health", we are ashamed of what is an actual true medical condition. I would wager that is one of the biggest reasons this kids parents, who unlike most families actually had the means to easily get their son the help he needed, refused to do so. They didn't want to believe that he had a mental health issue because most Americans believe that is "shameful". We tend to ignore and avoid acknowledging shameful things, as it appears his parents did in this case.

 

[Darwin333]

Well in most states a video like that can be presented to a mental health facility and an order can be immediately issued to involuntarily incarcerate that individual. But the parents would have had to do this. So yea, I think the parents dropped the ball on this. That video, the one they moved then was put back up is him talking about killing people. Clearly he is a danger to other people which fits the criteria for locking him up in a mental health facility.

People don't have to look like a mental ill person to be severely mentally ill. They can look and act very much like a normal functioning person. Up until something like this when they clearly aren't functioning.

I didn't read his entire manifesto but did his parents ever try to get him any sort of help for his very obvious mental health issues? They absolutely had the means, hell probably would have been cheaper than the way they handled the problem by just throwing money at it, and from what I read the signs were there from a very young age. This should have been handled, or at least serious attempt made, long before it required involuntary commitment.

And I am not sure what state he was in but in most states it isn't THAT difficult for family members, especially parents/spouses to have someone involuntarily committed for at the very least evaluation by a psychiatrist. I doubt they would have even needed the video in most states.

 

[Vic]

Compared to what? Gang Members offing themselves?

-John

I doubt people would worry as much if the spoiled rich kids only offed themselves.

 

[Darwin333]

He was 22 years old, an adult. Probably the parents didn't have the authority to get him committed. And even though the police WERE called in, by both the parents and by Roger's therapist, there was no hard evidence available at that time (Roger pulled the video and didn't re-post it until right before he went on his rampage) for a judge to rule him a threat and lock him up in a mental institution.

It's a GOOD thing that we can't just lock people up on the say-so of others. Fortunately, although these events make the headlines, the total number of people killed or injured by these people is pretty small compared with the total population of America.

Wow, I didn't realize he had a therapist and that he/she called the police. In most states it doesn't take that much to get someone held for a 72 hour evaluation. If the person doing the evaluation, I think in my state its the local coroner, finds cause the facility can hold you for an additional week or two without involving the judicial system. After that it requires a judge to hold them.

Point being, when a mental health professional calls the police on one of their patients the mechanism is in place (or should be, its state dependent) to have the person at least temporarily committed/evaluated against their will.

 

[Darwin333]

I hope his therapist is being investigated for malpractice.

Someone posted an article that stated his therapist called the authorities on him out of concern. What exactly do you think the therapist did, or didn't do, that would be considered malpractice?

 

[OutHouse]

Ask your rich daddy for $500 and visit the Bunny Ranch. Problem solved.

he wanted more than a fuck. he was intensely jealous of hot chicks in relationships with guys who he thought was lesser than him.

 

[Jaskalas]

Holy shit, I skimmed it rather quickly and found a metric fuckton of batshit crazy!

Sounds like he was used to getting exactly what he wanted up until he hit high school age...

Negative. There are some red flags in his childhood stories. 2nd grade behavior card, 6th? grade a girl shoved him. Porn was somehow this traumatic thing that scarred him. His mental illness was there from day 1.

He was overly obsessed with seeking validation from others, and dramatically over reacted with jealously and rage when he didn't find that validation.

Oh gee, a guy that spends all of his free time playing WoW ends up a virgin, say it ain't so!!!

He turned to it for a period of time, after being rejected. There were periods where he claimed to not touch WoW. Did you miss the part where he was too distraught to even enjoy that?

And the real batshit crazy ass kicker, instead of fantasizing about becoming popular or getting laid he instead dreams about becoming powerful enough to ensure no one gets laid:

Instead of? No.. he started off wanting the former, but turned twisted and evil towards the latter. At some point the little kid died inside. His hopes turned to despair.

 

[OutHouse]

I am not sure what state he was in but in most states it isn't THAT difficult for family members, especially parents/spouses to have someone involuntarily committed

he is in California

what are the rules in your state to get somebody involuntarily commit ed? i think for adults its normally a court order.

 

[spidey07]

A libtard goes on a killing spree with a handgun, car and knife in a state with strict gun rights restrictions.

No story here. Doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[jackstar7]

Someone posted an article that stated his therapist called the authorities on him out of concern. What exactly do you think the therapist did, or didn't do, that would be considered malpractice?

The kid wasn't institutionalized... so there's a problem there...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

A libtard goes on a killing spree with a handgun, car and knife in a state with strict gun rights restrictions.

No story here. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Okay, I'll bite - why do you think he is a "libtard," O Grand Dragon?

 

[Mai72]

Now to just see which crazy from ATOT stops posting as of yesterday...

D:

 

[nehalem256]

Okay, I'll bite - why do you think he is a "libtard," O Grand Dragon?

He lives in california, a blue state, therefore he is automatically a libtard.

Just like how black single mom's in Mississippi get counted as conservatives because Mississippi is a red state.

 

[Thebobo]

A libtard goes on a killing spree with a handgun, car and knife in a state with strict gun rights restrictions.

No story here. Doesn't fit the narrative.

That kid had zero political interest.

 

[Jaskalas]

He lives in california, a blue state, therefore he is automatically a libtard.

Just like how black single mom's in Mississippi get counted as conservatives because Mississippi is a red state.

Just like how all women were generalized by the killer.