Hauting video of "Elliot Rogers Retribution" student shoots and kills Sorority girls

[kage69]

Sounds like someone from ATOT!

It's tempting to make a nehalem joke right now, but I just can't.

 

[Bitek]

Watched about 10 secs of his stupid little video before I had to turn it off. What a whiney little fuck.

Too bad he's dead as he deserves a trip through the wood chipper

 

[Bitek]

It's tempting to make a nehalem joke right now, but I just can't.

Yeah it's a bit messed up to do that... OTOH I'm counting down in my head until one of the infonutters come in claiming this was a false flag Thing for Some Reason.

 

[Venix]

I don't think I've ever seen a more disgusting, more depressing display of narcissistic douchbaggery. I hope there is a line of people ready to piss on that fuckers grave.



The three found in his apartment were stabbed, just fyi.

I don't know. bradly1101's hijacking of this tragedy to further his anti-gun political agenda is a pretty disgusting, depressing display of narcissistic douchebaggery.

It's particularly unfortunate because it derails discussion about real issues, like the United States' hopelessly broken mental health and judicial systems. This isn't the first mass murder where family/friends/doctors expected the assailant to snap but had effectively no legal way to intervene. And as long as partisan imbeciles focus the discussion on "durr gunz r bad," it likely won't be the last.

 

[kage69]

I don't know. bradly1101's hijacking of this tragedy to further his anti-gun political agenda is a pretty disgusting, depressing display of narcissistic douchebaggery.

It's particularly unfortunate because it derails discussion about real issues, like the United States' hopelessly broken mental health and judicial systems. This isn't the first mass murder where family/friends/doctors expected the assailant to snap but had effectively no legal way to intervene. And as long as partisan imbeciles focus the discussion on "durr gunz r bad," it likely won't be the last.

I couldn't agree more. Guns aren't the problem. Crazy is the problem.

 

[Zaap]

When you say "his type" isn't all that uncommon, I assume you mean narcissistic assholes, not narcissistic assholes who go on shooting sprees. The latter are fortunately pretty rare.

True- the killing spree and announcing his intentions to the world part are pretty rare.

But I fear the rest of it is way more common than most of us want to believe. (And actually scarier). I'd say more often people who develop the same extreme derangement probably become rapists, murderers, even serial killers who take out all their revenge fantasies on their made-up persecutors secretly, not wanting to die or get caught. This prick was just a suicidal attention whore on top of everything else.

 

[HendrixFan]

I read through a good 80% of the manifesto just now, speeding past some portions. My take is that he has some of the worst parents out there and his isolation and depression issues left unchecked reached a terrible boiling point.

As his social and personal struggles continued to heighten, his parents just tossed more money at him while spending more time away from him. The kid certainly had out of control narcissism, which coupled with his family's class fueled a staggeringly out of place sense of superiority. He was an awkward social misfit, and those around him who should have helped, namely parents and counselors he mentioned, didn't seem to notice or care.

In addition to the obvious innocent victims who he killed, I also feel sorry for his "friends". In the manifesto anyone he talked to more than once was a "friend" although clearly most were just kids that talked to him every now and then. He burned bridges with them as they tried to tell him his psychotic thoughts weren't normal or okay. As kids themselves, and the way he describes them, social outcasts as well, they weren't really in a position to recognize or engage the right sort of mental health help the shooter needed.

This isn't a gun issue, as many people in this thread have already pointed out, it is a mental health issue. Again we are seeing a situation where we as a society leave those who need mental help being abandoned.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't see a mental health issue. I see a spoiled kid who was jealous of men getting laid, so he pouted and killed people for not getting his way.

Mentally stable people don't kill half a dozen random females because other females didn't have sex with him. If that was the case there would be far more sororities getting shot up.

 

[Oldgamer]

They probably saw it. However I suspect they chose to ignore the signs and probably hoped he'd grow out of it IMHO.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoaRXO6CIAAulRn.png

Yea, I think your right. Parents do tend to put themselves in a state of denial when it comes to a loved one who may be this sick and deranged. No one wants to admit their loved one has serious mental health issues, or are just plain psychotic. It is really sad that they didn't get a tip from his youtube vid before this happened.

 

[moonbogg]

Mentally stable people don't kill half a dozen random females because other females didn't have sex with him. If that was the case there would be far more sororities getting shot up.

Yeah that's true. My judgment was off. The reason I said that was because we have all felt anger, frustration and even that thought, "god, I want to kill that person".
I'm not a psychologist of course, but there is something in most of our minds that acts as a barrier keeping violent thoughts from becoming violent actions. This guy didn't have that obviously.
I am trying to relate to him because I was depressed when I was younger and it was very uncomfortable, but I can't imagine what it would be like for that barrier to not be there, no matter how depressed.
This is America after all. You don't actually give a shit about me do you? Didn't think so. Why should I give a shit about you or the people you might murder?
No one cares about mental health here. Its not a priority. Even when someone has the money to get proper care, like this kid, something keeps it from happening. I think it has something to do with those damn human rights.
You have the right to be crazy and refuse mental health care (unless proven dangerous), but you don't have the right to kill people and commit suicide...but who needs a right to do that? This guy didn't.

 

[Oldgamer]

I don't see a mental health issue. I see a spoiled kid who was jealous of men getting laid, so he pouted and killed people for not getting his way.

Narcissistic personality disorder coupled with comorbid conditions can induce psychotic thinking, and lead to delusions that could potentially if not treated in time end up in a tragic event like this one. Better yet he may have had an anti social personality disorder.

 

[Zorkorist]

Yet another mass shooting by a spoiled rich kid.

Compared to what? Gang Members offing themselves?

-John

 

[Oldgamer]

I don't know. bradly1101's hijacking of this tragedy to further his anti-gun political agenda is a pretty disgusting, depressing display of narcissistic douchebaggery.

It's particularly unfortunate because it derails discussion about real issues, like the United States' hopelessly broken mental health and judicial systems. This isn't the first mass murder where family/friends/doctors expected the assailant to snap but had effectively no legal way to intervene. And as long as partisan imbeciles focus the discussion on "durr gunz r bad," it likely won't be the last.

Well in most states a video like that can be presented to a mental health facility and an order can be immediately issued to involuntarily incarcerate that individual. But the parents would have had to do this. So yea, I think the parents dropped the ball on this. That video, the one they moved then was put back up is him talking about killing people. Clearly he is a danger to other people which fits the criteria for locking him up in a mental health facility.

People don't have to look like a mental ill person to be severely mentally ill. They can look and act very much like a normal functioning person. Up until something like this when they clearly aren't functioning.

 

[Zorkorist]

Chalk it up as a price of freedom, and forget about it.

One, fucked up, kid.

-John

 

[shira]

Yea, I caught that his family reported him a few weeks before the attack in one of the various articles about it.

I am wondering what steps the authorities took after the threats were made known. Especially considering the position of his father, from the initial media reports he was an assistant director on The Hunger Games (though the police haven't actually released the info to confirm yet, last I checked); I would think coming from someone in that position, they would have checked into it thoroughly since he wouldn't be bringing undue negative publicity on himself unless it was necessary.

I guess time will tell when more info comes out to see if the authorities dropped the ball in preventing this, or if there was nothing they could legally do at the time to stop it from occurring.

Either way, this guy was a piece of shit. Just too bad he had to take out multiple others with him.

The police said they interviewed him three times, and he came across as "kind," not crazy. So they didn't pursue the matter further. The kid was obviously not stupid, just off his gourd, and he knew how to fool the authorities. I don't see what more the authorities could have done. This is kind of like when a woman feels very threatened by an ex-boyfriend. Apart from a restraining order (which obviously doesn't have a parallel in Roger's situation), there isn't much the authorities can do to the ex-boyfriend until they actually catch him in the act.

So there probably wasn't anything else the cops could do in this case, either. I'm guessing the cops get a LOT of calls like this, and if they put 24-hour surveillance on every person who is reported as a crazy and a "threat," we'd need twice as many cops as we have now.

 

[Oldgamer]

Ahh ok, just read this ABC News report: http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-uc-santa-barbara-shooting-identified-family/story?id=23853918

The kid had aspergers and had been seeing therapists many in fact for a while. But why on earth didn't his parents get him committed as soon as they saw that video? What the hell?

We really do need to enact strict background checks and make sure people with mental health issues don't get guns in their hands.

 

[Zorkorist]

So many of you have beautiful children, that grow into adults.

Learn to enjoy a sandwich, a drink, conversation, etc.

-John

 

[Oldgamer]

So many of you have beautiful children, that grow into adults.

Learn to enjoy a sandwich, a drink, conversation, etc.

-John

Sooo true, man we use to make our kids turn off the TV and come sit at the dinner table together and we all took time to talk with each other about our day and such. Don't become a work a holic or you will lose so much precious time with your kids.

 

[shira]

Ahh ok, just read this ABC News report: http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-uc-santa-barbara-shooting-identified-family/story?id=23853918

The kid had aspergers and had been seeing therapists many in fact for a while. But why on earth didn't his parents get him committed as soon as they saw that video? What the hell?

We really do need to enact strict background checks and make sure people with mental health issues don't get guns in their hands.

He was 22 years old, an adult. Probably the parents didn't have the authority to get him committed. And even though the police WERE called in, by both the parents and by Roger's therapist, there was no hard evidence available at that time (Roger pulled the video and didn't re-post it until right before he went on his rampage) for a judge to rule him a threat and lock him up in a mental institution.

It's a GOOD thing that we can't just lock people up on the say-so of others. Fortunately, although these events make the headlines, the total number of people killed or injured by these people is pretty small compared with the total population of America.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I couldn't agree more. Guns aren't the problem. Crazy is the problem.

The combination is the problem.

 

[DominionSeraph]

It's particularly unfortunate because it derails discussion about real issues, like the United States' hopelessly broken mental health and judicial systems. This isn't the first mass murder where family/friends/doctors expected the assailant to snap but had effectively no legal way to intervene. And as long as partisan imbeciles focus the discussion on "durr gunz r bad," it likely won't be the last.

Pragmatically, this was neither a mental health nor a criminal justice issue. With puberty comes some level of social readjustment, and there is no criteria which can tell you what any are in need of in order to adjust. Are you going to put goths in jail because they dress in black? Are you going to put nerds in jail because they might be the next Adam Lanza? Are you going to lock the "promiscuous" girls in an institution until they mend their wicked ways?
Rodgers was a high functioning autistic whose basic juvenile routines no longer worked and so he needed to shift paradigms. This is not necessarily clean, and extreme behavior in order to unearth failure points which can break down the previous paradigm as well as form the foundation of the new, more robust paradigm is expected. (If your theory of physics isn't working you may have to smash a few atoms to find out why.) The problem is there's no way to tell angst from someone whose first go assembled the /pol/ hivemind as a self-reinforcing entity. Rodgers latched onto a worldview that was completely defined in terms of himself, but you're going to find that most people define a heck of a lot of their worlds in terms of themselves at that age. There'd be no way to tell that his first reformation was so pathological that the place where the rubber met the road for the next test wasn't the mere flirtation with the idea of murder or the "crazy" persona, but actual murder.

Neither a hospital nor jail setting would have helped him overcome an autistic social dysfunction. Both are systems that operate by easily identifiable rules and regulations -- each person has their place, and everything is done for a specific function. He would have taken to the routine and looked perfectly healthy (other than normal autistic tendencies), but upon coming out he would be in the same situation as when he went in, only more alienated than ever. A system of institutionalization based on nothing but "worry" would probably create more killers than anything.


Some change to the gun culture would probably help. Americans like their entertainment simple, with morality spoon-fed to them as a black and white proposition with the correct answer always being, "violence." A gun's simplicity of use lowers the bar as to what constitutes a worthwhile killing. (Go through your movie library and in each instance of gun violence ask yourself, "Would the perpetrator still kill if he had to pounce on the victim, overcome them in violent struggle, and chew through their jugular to do it; or would all that effort make an alternative solution the [now] obviously preferable one?")
Steeped in a culture where the self-insert hero is always right and the forces against him are designed to be clearly wrong, it's not surprising that conservatards are as racist and self-absorbed as they are or that someone like Rodgers likewise might get caught up in such a tale.

 

[boomerang]

Well, now that we've heard that it's the fault of the right wing, anybody have any concern for the victims?

 

[Anubis]

Ahh ok, just read this ABC News report: http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-uc-santa-barbara-shooting-identified-family/story?id=23853918

The kid had aspergers and had been seeing therapists many in fact for a while. But why on earth didn't his parents get him committed as soon as they saw that video? What the hell?

We really do need to enact strict background checks and make sure people with mental health issues don't get guns in their hands.

CA has laws that prohibit the sale of guns to those with mental health issues however
there was nothing in this kids record for mental health, he had never been committed so there was nothing on file

a background check would have also cleared him, he didn't have any record.
The cops talked to him after he posted the vids but they are powerless because he had not actually done anything wrong at that point

 

[Jaskalas]

His family actually had reported him to the police after he posted his earlier vlogs. He subsequently removed them from Youtube, then re-posted them the day of his rampage. I gather he posted the final video very shortly before he began his crimes last night.

I find the video really strange in that it feels like what a b-movie maker would have come up with as the video send-off of someone like this. It's like he is a bad actor playing himself. I do not agree that he seems psychotic - I see no reason to think that he is experiencing delusions. He just seems like an angry, narcissistic douche.

Having read much of his life story, from himself, he was born with a strong need of validation from others. Had a broken family, a stepmother who he fought with, and few positive influences in his life. There are a few red flags with his childhood stories.

 

[justin4pack]

Sooo true, man we use to make our kids turn off the TV and come sit at the dinner table together and we all took time to talk with each other about our day and such. Don't become a work a holic or you will lose so much precious time with your kids.

You know, I just had to change my work schedule because I was missing my kids grow up ,my wife, there lives. I'm glad I realized this. So much time was passing and I didn't notice.