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Last year I sold both my C-max and Pacifica to Carvana.

The C-Max was 8 years old, had 60k miles, needed new tires, was beat to hell, (probably 2k worth of body damage easily) and Carvana gave me $7800 for it.
My Pacifica was 5 years old about 45k miles on it, and I got 25k. That was 5k less than I paid for it.

Those plus state & federal credits almost paid for my Mach-E that is now nearly $10k more retail than I paid for mine.
 
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High temp records are starting to fall all over the state of CA and the grid just exceeded the 2006 record demand. Odds of rotating blackouts tonight seem pretty high.

We have 9kW grid-tied solar panels sitting on top of our roof doing nothing. SCE has been dragging their feet giving us permission to operate them. I know at least half a dozen of people in the same situation. If power demand is really stressing the grid, maybe they should prioritize people waiting to activate their PV systems.
 
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We have 9kW grid-tied solar panels sitting on top of our roof doing nothing. SCE has been dragging their feet giving us permission to operate them. I know at least half a dozen of people in the same situation. If power demand is really stressing the grid, maybe they should prioritize people waiting to activate their PV systems.

The problem now is the fall off in PV production this time of the day. If anybody has batteries utilities should definitely prioritize turning them up though.

It took Austin Energy weeks to come out to give the final inspection and energize our PV system so a lot of places have the same problem.
 

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The problem now is the fall off in PV production this time of the day. If anybody has batteries utilities should definitely prioritize turning them up though.

It took Austin Energy weeks to come out to give the final inspection and energize our PV system so a lot of places have the same problem.
Yes, but with solar power I am more inclined to turn the thermostat way down to cool the house during the day and use the AC more sparingly during night time. We could still do it without solar power, but it would cost us a small fortune.
 

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Yes, but with solar power I am more inclined to turn the thermostat way down to cool the house during the day and use the AC more sparingly during night time. We could still do it without solar power, but it would cost us a small fortune.

I know the state passed solar permitting reform requiring instant permits after 2023. Would be nice to seem them lean on the utilities to get inspections done and systems turned on next.
 

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Just got the emergency alert on our cell phones warning us to conserve energy or they may have to start rolling blackouts.

Demand has tailed off some, people got the memo.
 

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Just imagine if FL went mostly electric and a cat 5 knocked out the power grid. :eek: Our shoe consumption would go through the roof. :D
 

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We have a 3 vehicle house.
The 3500 Ram with Cummins does things that EV's or hybrids cannot.
Wife's new Tiguan makes her happy. We could get ~28K on trade in for an EV, but right now they are unobtanium in Washington state due to an unfavorable incentive climate that is pushing the inventory away.
My 2003 TDI beetle owes me nothing. It would be the ideal one to get rid of save for the fact that it averages 46 MPG. That makes it a bit of a hurdle.
What we might do is sell the Beetle and get an old Leaf with some battery left in it. I'm thinking no more than 8K.
It is an option, rather than going all-in just spend a relative pittance for a purpose EV.
 
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Pardon my ignorance, but am I missing the joke somewhere in there?
I think he thinks gas stations don’t need electricity to pump gas.

I can tell you from experience when there is a wide spread power outage working gas stations are few and far between.
 
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This weekend was about enough for me to start really thinking of adding a second car back into my fleet that's either a PHEV or traditional hybrid. Uhg.

Drove from Portland, OR to Bend, OR. It's about 150 miles. I charged up before leaving and got down to Bend with about 80 miles left on the tank. That part is fine. What isn't fine is that there was only one Level 3 in the town (Electrify America) and 3/4 stations were down. They couldn't fix them remotely. There was a line 4 cars deep and a couple of them were older EV's (Bolt for example) that have very slow charging rates. I would have to wait around for hours to get in line. Did some googling and found some level 2's from the local power company being serviced through charge point. I went over there, had to download and setup *another* account/app. And then proceeded to get 30kWh over the course of an hour for $12. It was enough to get us around the area for a day. But it took me two more trips over to the Electrify America station to finally find a working bay that wasn't occupied.

Eventually it worked out, but it was only because we weren't on a schedule or *needed* to get someplace before getting charged up.

It was frustrating. It was expensive. It was slow. If I had been trying out a demo product over weekend I wouldn't have bought an EV. Woof.
Kyle Conner has noticed this recently. It's bad enough that he's no longer recommending EVs to newbies who want to road trip, at least for now.


I think there's incentives to install new chargers, but none to repair them, so all the 1st generation chargers are dying. He thinks EA is just waiting for parts to install newer charger hardware in the same location.
 

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We have 9kW grid-tied solar panels sitting on top of our roof doing nothing. SCE has been dragging their feet giving us permission to operate them. I know at least half a dozen of people in the same situation. If power demand is really stressing the grid, maybe they should prioritize people waiting to activate their PV systems.

Did they lock the PV disconnect? If not you could always flip it and put it into service. You won't get credits for the power you are feeding into the grid but at least you will minimize your household usage. When I went solar many years ago I just put it into service while I waited for SCE.
 
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High temp records are starting to fall all over the state of CA and the grid just exceeded the 2006 record demand. Odds of rotating blackouts tonight seem pretty high.

I didn't have any blackouts in my service area.
 

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Did they lock the PV disconnect? If not you could always flip it and put it into service. You won't get credits for the power you are feeding into the grid but at least you will minimize your household usage. When I went solar many years ago I just put it into service while I waited for SCE.
We have full access to the PV disconnect, I didn't know that was an option as we were told to not turn it on until we get the permission to operate. We don't really care about the credits at this point, just being able to use the power generated by the PV is enough.
 

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I didn't have any blackouts in my service area.
We didn't get any blackouts either. Once the emergency alert went out, we turned our AC off and only had fan on to circulate the residual cool air. That worked well for about an hour and bought us enough time for the power demand to drop off.

Today is expected to be even hotter, so rolling blackouts may be imminent.
 

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We had 1 blackout on monday night due to equipment failure (transformer failure), lasted about 3 hours. Could have been from stress or just a random occurrence. Then we had a blackout this morning that lasted about 15 minutes. No idea what happened there, though we seem to get a lot of issues with mylar balloons shorting powerlines (happens at least 3x a year).

There was a forced blackout yesterday for about 30 minutes in another area, but ISO said there wasn't any need yesterday. Maybe our utility jumped the gun...

Supposed to be slightly cooler here today (peninsula, SF Bay Area, only about 90), so hopefully won't have any issues.
 

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We have full access to the PV disconnect, I didn't know that was an option as we were told to not turn it on until we get the permission to operate. We don't really care about the credits at this point, just being able to use the power generated by the PV is enough.

I know my installer told me that here is the PV Disconnect and you are supposed to leave it off until you get permission to operate. However this is how you turn it on and then winked at me. Some utilities will actually apply a lock to it until they give permission to operate.
 

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We had 1 blackout on monday night due to equipment failure (transformer failure), lasted about 3 hours. Could have been from stress or just a random occurrence. Then we had a blackout this morning that lasted about 15 minutes. No idea what happened there, though we seem to get a lot of issues with mylar balloons shorting powerlines (happens at least 3x a year).

There was a forced blackout yesterday for about 30 minutes in another area, but ISO said there wasn't any need yesterday. Maybe our utility jumped the gun...

Supposed to be slightly cooler here today (peninsula, SF Bay Area, only about 90), so hopefully won't have any issues.
We might've dipped into reserve power as the peak demand almost hit 52,000Megawatts yesterday. We had a transformer blow up at a major intersection a few weeks ago. It wasn't pretty as the debris scattered all over the road and took them 4hrs to restore power to the entire block.
 

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We might've dipped into reserve power as the peak demand almost hit 52,000Megawatts yesterday. We had a transformer blow up at a major intersection a few weeks ago. It wasn't pretty as the debris scattered all over the road and took them 4hrs to restore power to the entire block.
Wow, Texas with a lot less people is pushing almost 80,000MW. Guess we really do have a lot bitcoin in the state
 

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Wow, Texas with a lot less people is pushing almost 80,000MW. Guess we really do have a lot bitcoin in the state

Need to start bottling all the AC drainage/condensation water from the swamp air that is Houston and shipping it to drought stricken areas. :D
 
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Wow, Texas with a lot less people is pushing almost 80,000MW. Guess we really do have a lot bitcoin in the state
Yes, but CA has a lot more solar panels owners generating their own power. Last I checked (in Jan), CA solar panels capacity installed is around 35,000MW.
 
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Need to start bottling all the AC drainage/condensation water from the swamp air that is Houston and shipping it to drought stricken areas. :D
Last year, our primary drain for the AC units got clogged that went unnoticed for 5 days. So, all the condensation water went out the backup drain outside the house but we have the drain pipe going directly into a 55 gallon drum. During the 5 days, the 55 gallon drum was completely filled.