Haswell, mITX, and 2560X1440

[GeezerMan]

What's the official support for a 2560 X 1440 resolution with a socket 1150 Z97 mITX board? I know the HD 4600 can do it. DVI requires dual link, which I don't think any mITX board has, displayport can do it, but not available on these boards. I have used HDMI on other boards, and it worked depending on the video card.

So, anyone got 2560 X 1440 to display with a mITX board using the onboard HD 4600?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Unfortunately, you can forget about trying to find an LGA-1150 board (ITX and otherwise) with dual link DVI. Doesn't exist. Your best bet is to use an (expensive) active adaptor from DisplayPort to dual link DVI.

As for LGA-1150 ITX boards with DisplayPort, there are a few options available. What are your requirements besides 1440p support?

 

[GeezerMan]

Unfortunately, you can forget about trying to find an LGA-1150 board (ITX and otherwise) with dual link DVI. Doesn't exist. Your best bet is to use an (expensive) active adaptor from DisplayPort to dual link DVI.

As for LGA-1150 ITX boards with DisplayPort, there are a few options available. What are your requirements besides 1440p support?

pretty basic really. Just a general use PC. no gaming, and that's why I wanted to use the HD 4600 video

Looks like GIGABYTE GA-H97N-WIFI has HDMI that supports 1440. I'll have to read up on the H97

ASUS Z97I-Plus LGA 1150 has displayport...

ASRock Z97E-ITX LGA1150 ..yes

 

[Insert_Nickname]

pretty basic really. Just a general use PC. no gaming, and that's why I wanted to use the HD 4600 video

Looks like GIGABYTE GA-H97N-WIFI has HDMI that supports 1440. I'll have to read up on the H97

All Haswell i3/i5/i7 can do HDMI 1.4, so that shouldn't be a problem. The exception are that the Pentium/Celerons cant. They use a cut-down version of the 7th gen HD Graphics with limited features branded, very originally, as HD Graphics...

If you don't require anything more exotic like an M.2 slot etc. you can certainly do a lot worse then the H97N-WIFI. I wouldn't bother with the 8x-series chipsets at this point, and if you don't intend to overclock, the H97 has all that anyone could require.

Alternatives would be either the ASUS H97I-PLUS (doesn't have WIFI) or the Asrock H97M-ITX/ac.

 

[GeezerMan]

yeah, I just found a bunch of ITX boards at the Egg with displayport. I dunno why I was thinking ITX boards didn't have displayport. M.2 does sound kinda interesting.

thanks for your input.

 

[GeezerMan]

there are some features I would like. Such as edge mounted power plugs, good analog audio out

 

[Insert_Nickname]

there are some features I would like. Such as edge mounted power plugs, good analog audio out

In that case, it might make sense to step up to the Asrock Z97E-ITX. Not for the Z97 chipset, but its pretty much the only ITX board that uses a Realtek ALC1150, which is usually an indicator of good quality audio. It also has edge mounted power connectors. As a "bonus" you get an M.2 slot and an Intel NIC.

The Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 uses the ALC1150 too, but its a more "gaming" focused board.

 

[GeezerMan]

In that case, it might make sense to step up to the Asrock Z97E-ITX. Not for the Z97 chipset, but its pretty much the only ITX board that uses a Realtek ALC1150, which is usually an indicator of good quality audio. It also has edge mounted power connectors. As a "bonus" you get an M.2 slot and an Intel NIC.

The Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 uses the ALC1150 too, but its a more "gaming" focused board.

I was reading the Ian Cutress review on the ITX boards. He mentioned the ALC1150, but did not like the 8-pin CPU power connector placement on the Asrock. I'm not overly confident of my Auria monitor displaying the 2560 X 1440 through the HDMI. The manual says no, the HDMI 1.3 standard says yes, it has sometimes worked OK for me in the past with HDMI, and sometimes not. Displayport has always worked correctly.
The GIGABYTE GA-H97N-WIFI looks OK for me, though it has the Realtek ALC892, the port placements are very good. BUT, no displayport

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8276/...k-z97e-itx-msi-z97i-ac-and-gigabyte-z97n-wifi

 

[VirtualLarry]

All Haswell i3/i5/i7 can do HDMI 1.4, so that shouldn't be a problem. The exception are that the Pentium/Celerons cant. They use a cut-down version of the 7th gen HD Graphics with limited features branded, very originally, as HD Graphics...

Now that's REALLY retarded on Intel's part.

Now it's not only a performance feature being cut, but now it's down to downright incompatibility with higher-res monitors.

IMHO, that's not wise of Intel.

 

[GeezerMan]

In that case, it might make sense to step up to the Asrock Z97E-ITX. Not for the Z97 chipset, but its pretty much the only ITX board that uses a Realtek ALC1150, which is usually an indicator of good quality audio. It also has edge mounted power connectors. As a "bonus" you get an M.2 slot and an Intel NIC.

The Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 uses the ALC1150 too, but its a more "gaming" focused board.

GIGABYTE GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 has what I want. Very good port placement on the edge, good analog audio, and displayport...

 

[GeezerMan]

parts so far:

GIGABYTE GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 mobo
Intel Core i3-4360 3.7 GHz has the Intel HD Graphics 4600 or maybe an i5
In Win 901 case
Antec - Seasonic 500 watt power supply, modular, already have
Samsung 830 SSD--already have


Ram--still thinking
CPU Cooler-still thinking

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Intel Core i3-4360 3.7 GHz has the Intel HD Graphics 4600 or maybe an i5

Depends. If you run a lot of stuff at the same time, an i5-4430/4440 would be better. If you just need single-thread performance the i3 will be better.

Stupid, artificial segmentation at work.

If you decide to go with the i3, you can get a 100MHz extra at the same price when the 4370 shows up.

Now that's REALLY retarded on Intel's part.

Now it's not only a performance feature being cut, but now it's down to downright incompatibility with higher-res monitors.

IMHO, that's not wise of Intel.

I -think- they can do 1600p over DisplayPort. No 4K at all.

 

[GeezerMan]

Depends. If you run a lot of stuff at the same time, an i5-4430/4440 would be better. If you just need single-thread performance the i3 will be better.

Stupid, artificial segmentation at work.

If you decide to go with the i3, you can get a 100MHz extra at the same price when the 4370 shows up.



I -think- they can do 1600p over DisplayPort. No 4K at all.

Oh yeah, I know about the i5 benefits. We have two i5-3570K in the house right now. They come in handy when transcoding video, but I just don't do that much video work anymore. Drive space is cheap, and I usually just save videos as ISO images. Every now and then I might play a bit of BF2, but I have actually done that with the integrated HD 4000. I guess it's a psychological thing, going from a i5 to a i3..

 

[piasabird]

I am using a gigabyte Z87N-WIFI (Ver 2.0) with 802.11ac. It said it was 4K ready on the box. It only has DVI-I but it has dual LAN and Dual HDMI. I guess you have to purchase a specific motherboard based on the outputs you need or add a video card. I think a lot of people are using the motherboards with a HDTV so a lot of the Motherboards have HDMI. I also think sometimes it is a marketing ploy to get people to purchase video cards or purchase new monitors with HDMI inputs.

I use my computer to watch video mostly but I often do a lot of stuff with several web pages open. Even though, I think it is better to watch video in full screen mode without doing anything else. I only have the HDTV for a monitor. I am using an i-3 4330 at present. Since it is ITX and in a short case, not much of a CPU cooler will fit in my Master Cooler Elite 130 case. So I chose a CPU with 4600 graphics with the 4 Meg Cache. I figured an i-5 uses more wattage and may create more heat. In reality I don't think much heat is created watching videos with an i-5 unless you are gaming and have a gaming video card, etc.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Oh yeah, I know about the i5 benefits. We have two i5-3570K in the house right now. They come in handy when transcoding video, but I just don't do that much video work anymore. Drive space is cheap, and I usually just save videos as ISO images. Every now and then I might play a bit of BF2, but I have actually done that with the integrated HD 4000. I guess it's a psychological thing, going from a i5 to a i3..

Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with i3 performance, especially on the Haswell ones. HT on Haswell is really well implemented (thanks in part to the additional execution ports), but there is just nothing that will beat a real physical core.

Actually the 4370 will be faster then the 3570K@stock for single-threaded work.

 

[GeezerMan]

Here's an interesting board. EVGA 111-HW-E872-KR
Lots of nice features. displayport, esata, Creative Sound Core3D .

Looks great, but no wifi onboard. Does have the slot for the wifi card, but I like the integrated antennas that some itx boards have.

unbeatable price with the package discount at MC
i5-4690K with this Evga board, after 20.00 rebate is 310.00, includes tax...not bad

 

[Insert_Nickname]

unbeatable price with the package discount at MC
i5-4690K with this Evga board, after 20.00 rebate is 310.00, includes tax...not bad

Not bad at all.

If you're moving up to Z97 boards, you should at least look at the ASUS Z97I-PLUS. Its not cheap, but I doubt you'll find a better ITX board.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97IPLUS/

 

[GeezerMan]

Not bad at all.

If you're moving up to Z97 boards, you should at least look at the ASUS Z97I-PLUS. Its not cheap, but I doubt you'll find a better ITX board.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97IPLUS/

I really don't need a Z97 board, I'm not going to overclock. The Evga is just a good deal at 85.00 AR plus tax. The Asus Z97I-Plus is a nice gamer board, and double the price of the Evga..

I'd have to buy a wireless card for the evga and the antennas and mount them directly to the I/O plate. I much prefer a bracket on the board to mount the antenna jacks, like Gigabyte has