Haswell and win 7?

[John Connor]

I just heard haswell doesn't work well with Windows 7. Is this true?

 

[escrow4]

If you want all the shiny goodies and better threading use 8(.1 soon). 7 is old and tired in comparison. Seriously, forget the UI, its just a better OS.

 

[PliotronX]

No it is not better, it is absolutely ridiculous. Change for change's sake does not equate to better. Even the redesigned file explorer is poorly thought out. For a quick file copy, alt, e, f no longer works. It's alt, h, c, f. Something I use quite often. Nevermind changing network types no longer being a simple hotlink in networking and sharing center and not being able to get into safe mode without changing a bios setting and then half the time it won't boot because it's out of UEFI mode. As an OS it is terrible, but I've read Haswell performs better with it so I guess I'm stuck with it. I have yet to see benchmarks posted if it is so and I wish I had more time to dual boot and see. 7 is Microsoft's best work and will be indefinitely. I'm just glad 8 is not coded like CRM. Holy hell..

I find it humorous that 8.1 is so unpopular that there is not a working crack for it. You know it sucks when pirates won't even touch it. It'll be the first MS OS version that hasn't been cracked before hitting the market,

 

[Turbonium]

If you want all the shiny goodies and better threading use 8(.1 soon). 7 is old and tired in comparison. Seriously, forget the UI, its just a better OS.

Just something to think about:

Imagine Win7 and Win8 both had the exact same backend etc., but the only difference was the UI.

Which would you choose? I think most would choose Win7 for a plethora of reasons.

Ultimately, I think having a good UI with more than adequate backend is a better combination with some improved backend but a horrid UI. But that's just my opinion.

Honestly, I don't hate Win8. I just think it's a step forward in one aspect, and a step backwards in the other. If they had simply kept the traditional Windows interface, it would be great (if it was like Win7 but with all the improved threading etc. of Win8 as you mention). Win8 is such a fail imho.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Haswell works perfectly fine with Win7.

 

[DigDog]

I find it humorous that 8.1 is so unpopular that there is not a working crack for it. You know it sucks when pirates won't even touch it. It'll be the first MS OS version that hasn't been cracked before hitting the market,

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[BSim500]

I just heard haswell doesn't work well with Windows 7. Is this true?

First I've heard of it, unless you're referring to the S0ix super-low idle states which desktops lack anyway:-
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/3

Nothing wrong with Win7 for Haswell for desktops. You might slightly better battery life out of Win8 for ultra-portables, etc, but even that depends on how you use it.

I find it humorous that 8.1 is so unpopular that there is not a working crack for it. You know it sucks when pirates won't even touch it.

 

[Maximilian]

I find it humorous that 8.1 is so unpopular that there is not a working crack for it. You know it sucks when pirates won't even touch it. It'll be the first MS OS version that hasn't been cracked before hitting the market,

Lol @ this

 

[BallaTheFeared]

There probably isn't a crack for it because the of the phone activation workaround, crack is pointless.

 

[John Connor]

There could be a wrapper made to elevate the phone call.

I don't see Win 8 on the pirate bay that much, but plenty of XP and Win 7. LOL!

So what about Win 9? I heard that may or may not have Metro?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Since tablets are set to overtake desktops in sales, I'd presume a metro-like UI will get even more engrossed into the OS than it is now.

Microsoft like any tech company will continue to try and move forward with unification of their OS between all devices, from phones to tablets to laptops to desktops.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Since tablets are set to overtake desktops in sales, I'd presume a metro-like UI will get even more engrossed into the OS than it is now.

Microsoft like any tech company will continue to try and move forward with unification of their OS between all devices, from phones to tablets to laptops to desktops.

I wouldnt be so sure. The crown prince in MS got fired over Windows 8. And Ballmer is out as well.

As Apple have already shown. You need 2 OSes and the unification is nothing but a dream/nightmare.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Until someone does it right, of course.

 

[daveybrat]

I wouldnt be so sure. The crown prince in MS got fired over Windows 8. And Ballmer is out as well.

As Apple have already shown. You need 2 OSes and the unification is nothing but a dream/nightmare.

Agreed, that's how they should have designed Windows 8 from the beginning. Call one Windows 8 RT for phones and tablets, and regular Windows 8 for PC's and laptops with the 'option' to disable the metro interface.

 

[Brahmzy]

People still bitching about W8/81? Don't like Metro? Neither do I. Guess what. StartIsBack fixes all of it. No more Metro BS. Problem solved. Now quit yer bitching and get the better OS. W8.1 rocks. Best MS OS yet.

 

[SlickR12345]

Its the same. Windows 8 performs between 0% and 3% better than windows 7 and I've seen all the benchmarks.

In encoding, decoding, file transfer, copy, etc... its the same speeds, in games it can even be slower, and in certain insignificant applications performs up to 3% better.

For games like BF4 for example its up to the game how it gets optimized, so its up to game developers if the game is optimized the same or they choose to optimize it better on windows 8.

I think the majority of developers will optimize equally between win7 and win8.

 

[NegativeBeef]

Since tablets are set to overtake desktops in sales, I'd presume a metro-like UI will get even more engrossed into the OS than it is now.

Microsoft tablet sales are horrible so I don't see how that's going to help them?

 

[bob123aka]

Already running W8.1 for a few days already. Just have to get a ISO of one of the people who got it prior to the release and use a fake W8.1 key in installation. After that just change the keys once installation is done to your legit W8 key and works fine. Find W8.1 a little smoother then W8 and can see almost x2 diff in games in BF4 Beta with no lagg spikes even though thats just on the BF4 Engine.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Microsoft tablet sales are horrible so I don't see how that's going to help them?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[glugglug]

I gave up on getting Windows 8 or 8.1 to work properly on my new Haswell system after 3 weeks, and Windows 7 is now running on it perfectly. With the exception of keyboard, mouse, monitor, blu-ray drive, and heatsink, every single component is something that didn't exist before 8 came out. Yet 7 was plug and play with 8 being an unmitigated disaster. So those who say it doesn't work well on 7 don't know what they are talking about. On 8.1 you will never get the USB issues ironed out. Not to mention how they completely butchered media center and broke RDP backwards compatibility and lot of other things.

Because of how bad 8 is, I strongly suspect it will never get used in the enterprise (kind of like Vista), MS will have no choice but to extend support of Win 7, and Win 7 actually has more life left to it then 8.

 

[PliotronX]

I have a little free time because the fall break is upon us humble students. What kind of benchies would you guys like to see between a fresh 8 and 7 install? I just have a GTX 650 in her for the time being which will soon become my PhysX card so games won't be impressive.

There probably isn't a crack for it because the of the phone activation workaround, crack is pointless.

It works until multiple people use the same key. 8.1 being meant as a Service Pack for 8, it accepts 8 keys but they have to be unique.

I gave up on getting Windows 8 or 8.1 to work properly on my new Haswell system after 3 weeks, and Windows 7 is now running on it perfectly. So those who say it doesn't work well on 7 don't know what they are talking about. On 8.1 you will never get the USB issues ironed out. Not to mention how they completely butchered media center and broke RDP backwards compatibility and lot of other things.

Because of how bad 8 is, I strongly suspect it will never get used in the enterprise (kind of like Vista), MS will have no choice but to extend support of Win 7, and Win 7 actually has more life left to it then 8.

Crap, this makes me nervous. As I'm installing 8 on my new HW build..

8's only tangible improvement is the inclusion of Security Essentials. It's going to reduce a lot of cleanup calls I get due to Defender, Norton, and McRapee missing stuff.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Already bought a copy of Win 7 for my future build.

 

[blackened23]

Microsoft tablet sales are horrible so I don't see how that's going to help them?

I think Windows RT is dead in the water because Bay Trail tablets running full windows 8.1 will be in the same price range. But if you're talking about MS machines in general, the Surface Pro sold respectably. They're not competing directly against the ipad, as the ipad is a far less capable system.

Consumers, on average, are just too stupid to understand capabilities of hardware and just focus on the form factor. The surface pro is actually an awesome, awesome machine that i've been very impressed with, but the average consumer will just think "HURR DURR TABLET" and compare it to an ipad, which obviously has far less capability. Comparing the Surface Pro to a macbook air, for instance, I find the surface pro to be a superior machine in many respects. Not that the macbook air is bad, but the surface pro is actually very nice.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

All the new kids will just call us old fogeys for sticking with Win7 (or for that matter XP), even when we present sound reasons for doing so.

Forums are starting to turn into XBoxLive :|

 

[glugglug]

8's only tangible improvement is the inclusion of Security Essentials. It's going to reduce a lot of cleanup calls I get due to Defender, Norton, and McRapee missing stuff.

My father in-law's new Windows 8 Sony VAIO came with both Kapersky and McRapee trials pre-installed. (and Defender/MSE disabled for this crapware).