Has your opinion of the war changed in light of everything?

Syringer

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Originally I was against it..not thinking Saddam was any sort of threat to anyone, but then I became supportive of it, since I thought it'd be a relatively easy effort to free 20 some million Iraqis..however given recent events and the cost that will be inhibited I'm not so sure anymore =/

And given what I've read here, I'd say a good number of people here were supportive of our actions, but have changed sides..
 

ConclamoLudus

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I was for. And I'm still hesitatingly supportive only because I don't want there to be WMD's floating around out there and I want things to move on for the best in Iraq. I'm very angry at the intelligence being exaggerated and hyped up but at this point I just want to know what happened to the damn weapons. War's are disgusting but I believed that Iraq was a legitimate threat with its weapons. Now I'm starting to think that they shipped all their weapons out of there a while back before the move towards war really got built up. Its very discouraging that Bush isn't addressing these things a little more seriously. I'm not ready to sign up with the Bush = Nazi crowd, but I'm certainly critical of how he is handling the situation. I'm not as concerned about the legality of the war anymore, I'm just hoping we can move towards what is best for Iraq's citizens and what is best for the world (which would be to find WMD's and get rid of them before we catch the ugly side of them).

I'm very pleased that Hussein is no longer a threat to anyone. I'm not really worried about him anymore, just some unaccounted for weapons that creep me out now.
 

Alistar7

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Hopefully in Syria's hands, they have at least shown to be responsible with theirs even after decades of terrorist groups operating there fairly freely.

There are reports AQ has purchased nuclear material out of Russia for a dirty bomb though, does that make you sleep better? It's not from US intel either in case you were wondering.
 

dahunan

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I think we need to bring the bombs back to the Syrian border and kill anyone trying to enter who is not authorized.

Or just do daily bombing runs along their border for practice.
 

da loser

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I was anti-war simply because i didn't think the iraqi people would be appreciative of our efforts and thus be really supportive of our efforts. I felt they were really indifferent to their situation. The uprisings failed and the middle road people didn't support them. This shows a willinglingness to live under their situation vs dying for freedom.

I never believed they had massive wmd supplies, but I thought they had some quantity. I also didn't think they were an imminent threat, but I didn't feel the administraition was going to war to defeat an imminent threat, but prevention for the future. Bush would not have been able to go to war in 2004, and if he had lost democrats (bad economy) would not have done anything either, so we're looking at least 5 years where he could possibly develop nuclear weapons.

I've changed slightly, at least most people it seems are appreciative and working together with us. I see the lack of info from the media as a positive in areas besides northwest baghdad, so i guess that means iraqis are working with the coalition. I'm still not sure whether they're willing to put out their necks for solving the countries problems. Whether this is caused by years of dictatorship or ignorance, I've read numerous stories from iraqis of their demands, but I don't see a lot of stories of action on their part like cleaning up your own neighborhood, doing neighborhood watches, informing the coalition of dangers. Military people say they're informing us, I'm just not sure how far they are willing to go.

Example: I read raed's blog, and he told of his story of the taxi cab with a grenade. They passed a checkpoint, yet he doesn't say he warned the troops then or later. I'm sure there are many they would have, just not sure how many.

I'd like to see our reconstruction efforts go towards empowering the iraqis to improve their own neighborhoods, grassroots stuff so they don't have as much time to complain. also, we need more offensive operations. i really don't care about the people that hate the intrusions into their home. Either they didn't have that during saddam so are getting a taste of their own medicine(active/indifference) or have no compassion for the difficulty of the situation. Knowledge of those programs will become known in the future.
 

Zipp

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I have the same opinion today as I did before the war started. Going too war was the right thing to do for the short term and even more importantly long term security of the United States and it allies as well as Iraq's neighboring countries. The added bonus was the people of Iraq are now free of a ruthless dictator and they can begin to rebuild there country and make it a better place. The WMD will slowly turn up with the help of the Iraqi people and eventually I fell that Saddam will be captured or he will give himself up.
 

Zebo

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I wanted to go to war with China but Bush choose the easy defenseless target. Playgroud Bullies do this.
 

LunarRay

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Apopin did a survey back at the start about how will this turn out... I'm searching for it... I wonder who has changed from then...
 

mastertech01

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Ask in about 2 years, when a real opportunity has existed to see positive results. If you had delusions of a 90 day miracle, it hasnt, nor ever will happen.

Did the USA have total peace and harmony in 90 days after the revolution? Hell has it ever?
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Ask in about 2 years, when a real opportunity has existed to see positive results. If you had delusions of a 90 day miracle, it hasnt, nor ever will happen.

Did the USA have total peace and harmony in 90 days after the revolution? Hell has it ever?

Oh please, this is such a horrible comparison. Iraq is going to kick out the Americans and then have a massive civil war forever. It's going to be Afghanistan part 2.

 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally I was against it..not thinking Saddam was any sort of threat to anyone, but then I became supportive of it, since I thought it'd be a relatively easy effort to free 20 some million Iraqis..however given recent events and the cost that will be inhibited I'm not so sure anymore =/

And given what I've read here, I'd say a good number of people here were supportive of our actions, but have changed sides..
Are you practicing to be a Democrat politician? Seems like you have "riding the fence" down pretty good.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally I was against it..not thinking Saddam was any sort of threat to anyone, but then I became supportive of it, since I thought it'd be a relatively easy effort to free 20 some million Iraqis..however given recent events and the cost that will be inhibited I'm not so sure anymore =/

And given what I've read here, I'd say a good number of people here were supportive of our actions, but have changed sides..
Are you practicing to be a Democrat politician? Seems like you have "riding the fence" down pretty good.


Are you suggesting that republicans are like lemmings... follow the leader where ever he shall lead...

The pied piper has tooted his horn... all aboard... next stop .. who cares we're just a riding..
Glad I'm a registered Republican and a thinking Democrat... looking like a Libertarian .... but fully independent
 

AnImuS

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I wanted to go to war with China but Bush choose the easy defenseless target. Playgroud Bullies do this.

Will you be ready once the draft starts to fight when they need every man, and women inorder to help?
CIA World fact book:

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 370,087,489 (2002 est.)

"Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 203,003,036 (2002 est.)"

:Q
 

dahunan

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Jan 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: AnImuS
Originally posted by: Zebo
I wanted to go to war with China but Bush choose the easy defenseless target. Playgroud Bullies do this.

Will you be ready once the draft starts to fight when they need every man, and women inorder to help?
CIA World fact book:

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 370,087,489 (2002 est.)

"Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 203,003,036 (2002 est.)"

:Q


DOUBLE :Q :Q

 

Nitemare

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: AnImuS
Originally posted by: Zebo
I wanted to go to war with China but Bush choose the easy defenseless target. Playgroud Bullies do this.

Will you be ready once the draft starts to fight when they need every man, and women inorder to help?
CIA World fact book:

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 370,087,489 (2002 est.)

"Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 203,003,036 (2002 est.)"

:Q

They will drown trying to march here
 

CADsortaGUY

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Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally I was against it..not thinking Saddam was any sort of threat to anyone, but then I became supportive of it, since I thought it'd be a relatively easy effort to free 20 some million Iraqis..however given recent events and the cost that will be inhibited I'm not so sure anymore =/

And given what I've read here, I'd say a good number of people here were supportive of our actions, but have changed sides..
Are you practicing to be a Democrat politician? Seems like you have "riding the fence" down pretty good.


Are you suggesting that republicans are like lemmings... follow the leader where ever he shall lead...

The pied piper has tooted his horn... all aboard... next stop .. who cares we're just a riding..
Glad I'm a registered Republican and a thinking Democrat... looking like a Libertarian .... but fully independent

I see you haven't fought your way out of your wet paper bag yet ;) :D Maybe if you grow a set and rip the bag, instead of wondering how the bag will feel, you'll be able to see the real world ;)

CkG
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally I was against it..not thinking Saddam was any sort of threat to anyone, but then I became supportive of it, since I thought it'd be a relatively easy effort to free 20 some million Iraqis..however given recent events and the cost that will be inhibited I'm not so sure anymore =/

And given what I've read here, I'd say a good number of people here were supportive of our actions, but have changed sides..
Are you practicing to be a Democrat politician? Seems like you have "riding the fence" down pretty good.


Are you suggesting that republicans are like lemmings... follow the leader where ever he shall lead...

The pied piper has tooted his horn... all aboard... next stop .. who cares we're just a riding..
Glad I'm a registered Republican and a thinking Democrat... looking like a Libertarian .... but fully independent

I see you haven't fought your way out of your wet paper bag yet ;) :D Maybe if you grow a set and rip the bag, instead of wondering how the bag will feel, you'll be able to see the real world ;)

CkG

I be in cog neato... With the bag no one can know what lay beneath. Maybe I'm an undercover CIA operative... in search of OBL on the internet... or still on the run in Matrix... or really Moonbeam and you could tell if you saw my head..:)