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pontifex

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Originally posted by: Falloutboy
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

ever heard of EvE? one persistant world

EVE has about 19,000 people online total. not everyone is on at the same time. have you ever played EVE? there is nothing in that game to bog down a server grpahics-wise. every zone is exactly the same for the most part, one zone might have red gas clouds while another might have blue. one zone might have a featureless gray/black ball called a planet when another doesn't.there are so many zones you will not likely see another player most of the time.

 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

ever heard of EvE? one persistant world

Yup, I play EVE. Way more fun that ridiculously grinding one does in WoW.

lmao!! wow has more grinding than eve??? rofl!!
all you do in eve is grind mining, travel for 10 real world minutes a time with nothing happening, or run the same repetitive "missions" over and over. wow = fun for the 1st 60 levels. eve = NEVER FUN
 

warcrow

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

In a cluster environment it's possible. You would really need some really incredibly powerful and fast equipment for sure. The realms you log into (for instance, I log into Lightbringer) arnt one physical server, they're a cluster of servers, mainly for redundancys sakes. If there is ever an issue with a componant in one of the systems, its easy to remove that single machine from the loadbalancers, move traffic to the other working machines, replace the faulty componant, bring it up and test it, then open the machine back up (IE: open it up in the LB).
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Heifetz
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: DAWeinG
Yup since October 2005, WoW has had over 4.5 million active subscribers.

Official on Blizzard's WoW website

It says 1.5

Nevermind you're right. Wow. 4.5 million subscribers @ 14.95 each per month.

$807,300,000 a year.

where did you learn math? 4.5 x 15 is 67.5 mil

x 12 for each month, foo!
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

In a cluster environment it's possible. You would really need some really incredibly powerful and fast equipment for sure. The realms you log into (for instance, I log into Lightbringer) arnt one physical server, they're a cluster of servers, mainly for redundancys sakes. If there is ever an issue with a componant in one of the systems, its easy to remove that single machine from the loadbalancers, move traffic to the other working machines, replace the faulty componant, bring it up and test it, then open the machine back up (IE: open it up in the LB).

I don't know what you mean by cluster environment, but each server or world of an MMO are already server farms, and not a single server. The server requirement to host 1 million people in the game is daunting, but the task of creating content and zones enough to hold 1 million in the game is the real problem.
 

warcrow

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

In a cluster environment it's possible. You would really need some really incredibly powerful and fast equipment for sure. The realms you log into (for instance, I log into Lightbringer) arnt one physical server, they're a cluster of servers, mainly for redundancys sakes. If there is ever an issue with a componant in one of the systems, its easy to remove that single machine from the loadbalancers, move traffic to the other working machines, replace the faulty componant, bring it up and test it, then open the machine back up (IE: open it up in the LB).

I don't know what you mean by cluster environment, but each server or world of an MMO are already server farms, and not a single server. The server requirement to host 1 million people in the game is daunting, but the task of creating content and zones enough to hold 1 million in the game is the real problem.

lol you just repeated me. :)
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

In a cluster environment it's possible. You would really need some really incredibly powerful and fast equipment for sure. The realms you log into (for instance, I log into Lightbringer) arnt one physical server, they're a cluster of servers, mainly for redundancys sakes. If there is ever an issue with a componant in one of the systems, its easy to remove that single machine from the loadbalancers, move traffic to the other working machines, replace the faulty componant, bring it up and test it, then open the machine back up (IE: open it up in the LB).

I don't know what you mean by cluster environment, but each server or world of an MMO are already server farms, and not a single server. The server requirement to host 1 million people in the game is daunting, but the task of creating content and zones enough to hold 1 million in the game is the real problem.

lol you just repeated me. :)

I didn't know if you meant like a beowulf cluster, or a server farm.
 

hooflung

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Mrfrog840
havent ever played WoW. I stopped playing after WC2
That is some great insight. I don't want to speak for the OP, but I'm sure that right now he couldn't be happier with your contribution to this thread.

Back to the topic: I would guess that a lot of people that are leaving Star Wars are going to WoW. It's the next-best thing.

Haven't tried Star Wars. What's wrong with it exactly?


There is no more Star Wars Galaxies... it is now merely awaiting the doors to be shut... 2 accounts cancelled nov. 15 with more than half of the other vet players.

As to the OP :

I never thought I would say it... but I have WoW now... 2 accouns actually... and its VERY good now and yes it is totally crowded on every server I been too. Even new ones are pretty nice size after they come online. 4.5 million and to be honest it feels like it ( well not really 4.5 million because that is impossible... but you feel like you can go anywhere and have a someone in the general area.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Markbnj
1.5 million are chinese and they pay less than $14.95 a month

I think they all play on a single IDE account.

Actually the Chinese farmers on American servers are all IGE employees. Chinese people who play the game legitimately do so on Chinese servers where (I'd assume) the game, or at least parts/most of it, is in their language. Further, the monthly fee is affordable - $12-$15 US, which is required monthly to play on American servers, is insanely expensive on an average Chinese salary. IGE Pays $15 a month for the account and probably ~$20 a month to the farmer(s) on that account, and gets probably 1k-2k gold in that month, which is $80-$160 US. It's so lucrative, bans barely hurt them... if Blizzard even enforces it, that is - I have my doubts. Someone once said a good businessman finds out what the customer wants, and gives it to him. Unfortunately enough WoW players want to purchase gold that blocking this practice may be a bad business move for Blizzard.
 

hooflung

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Originally posted by: Falloutboy
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

ever heard of EvE? one persistant world

you will not have a game like WoW ever doing a single cluster with any type of success that WoW has. EVE gets away with it since it is in a niche gaming market. 19k people online at once is nothing compared to how many would be in WoW at once... which would be suspect would be 250k-300k users at once.

The tech hasn't reliably gotten to a point for servers of such manatude, were not talkign a simple db/web app here, to be stable for such a thing in one datacenter. When WoW opens up their own datacenter ( if the FCC would let them ) then maybe... until then... dream on.

 

hooflung

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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
eve is at about 100,000 subs currently, WoW is 1.5M yes wow has alot more but its by no means 200 times more.

Trying to include those Eve Trial accounts are we? Last I checked, which was not long ago was that Eve Online had only 50,000 players. No more than 19K at one time and that is rare... Most sectors only have one or two players in them and the packed ones may have 200? Nothing special at all really.

Glad you like Eve Online, but this thread doesn't have anything to do with it. Besides, one server for WoW would be incredably stupid even if it was possible, it just means you have to deal with even more morons and when majority rules, that is not a good thing.


75K confirmed accounts thank you very much. 80k is rumored. 100k if you include demo accounts.
 

hooflung

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

ever heard of EvE? one persistant world

EVE has about 19,000 people online total. not everyone is on at the same time. have you ever played EVE? there is nothing in that game to bog down a server grpahics-wise. every zone is exactly the same for the most part, one zone might have red gas clouds while another might have blue. one zone might have a featureless gray/black ball called a planet when another doesn't.there are so many zones you will not likely see another player most of the time.


dude... you have NO authority to comment on such things... speculation at best... I have no problem find people to kill. Not to mention nodes are not balanced how you see them according to how you see it on the map, m'kay?
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: hooflung
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
eve is at about 100,000 subs currently, WoW is 1.5M yes wow has alot more but its by no means 200 times more.

Trying to include those Eve Trial accounts are we? Last I checked, which was not long ago was that Eve Online had only 50,000 players. No more than 19K at one time and that is rare... Most sectors only have one or two players in them and the packed ones may have 200? Nothing special at all really.

Glad you like Eve Online, but this thread doesn't have anything to do with it. Besides, one server for WoW would be incredably stupid even if it was possible, it just means you have to deal with even more morons and when majority rules, that is not a good thing.


75K confirmed accounts thank you very much. 80k is rumored. 100k if you include demo accounts.

LOL, listen to yourself... You seem to have your self esteem wrapped up in Eve Online.
 

pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: hooflung
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
Originally posted by: PHiuR
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
:thumbsdown: for seperate servers.
:thumbsup: for a single server

I don't see how it is possible to fit 1 million players on ONE server when it's an MMO.

ever heard of EvE? one persistant world

EVE has about 19,000 people online total. not everyone is on at the same time. have you ever played EVE? there is nothing in that game to bog down a server grpahics-wise. every zone is exactly the same for the most part, one zone might have red gas clouds while another might have blue. one zone might have a featureless gray/black ball called a planet when another doesn't.there are so many zones you will not likely see another player most of the time.


dude... you have NO authority to comment on such things... speculation at best... I have no problem find people to kill. Not to mention nodes are not balanced how you see them according to how you see it on the map, m'kay?

i have played the game. what did i say thats not true?
when i played, i saw very few people outside the starting area. mayeb 1 person per zone i went to, if that. you want me to get on a trial account and take screenshots of several zones to prove they are almost exactly the same? different colored gas clouds and whether there is a black/gray featureless planet, and maybe a different model of space station is all the variety the game has to offer.
 

pontifex

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: hooflung
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
eve is at about 100,000 subs currently, WoW is 1.5M yes wow has alot more but its by no means 200 times more.

Trying to include those Eve Trial accounts are we? Last I checked, which was not long ago was that Eve Online had only 50,000 players. No more than 19K at one time and that is rare... Most sectors only have one or two players in them and the packed ones may have 200? Nothing special at all really.

Glad you like Eve Online, but this thread doesn't have anything to do with it. Besides, one server for WoW would be incredably stupid even if it was possible, it just means you have to deal with even more morons and when majority rules, that is not a good thing.


75K confirmed accounts thank you very much. 80k is rumored. 100k if you include demo accounts.

LOL, listen to yourself... You seem to have your self esteem wrapped up in Eve Online.

you haven't seen anything until you see the EVE fanboys over at mmorpg.com. they are 10x worse. they pretty much sit there and bash any game thats not EVE. When they get tired of bashing the games, they turn on the players of other games. they tell them they are children, immature, stupid, etc. but they turn around and say they are mature because eve is a mature game 2 seconds after they just flamed and trolled everything else.
 

Cheetah8799

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
I haven't played for about four months and I checked the realm status today and there seem to be way, way, way more servers than there were before.

Am I hallucinating?

They have added quite a few servers. Lots of people have alts on various realms now. Plus with the new trial accounts there are a lot of new people trying the game. Not to mention the many kids on holiday break that are causing realm logins to start to queue up again from what I'm hearing on various forums.
 

Cheetah8799

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
coworker of mine said she her thirteen year old son wanted world of warcraft for christmas. i told her that might not be such a great idea.

why not?


why not? It's so insanely addictive it would ruin any kids school grades. Any parent should seriously consider ways to keep their kids from becoming addicted to gaming.

I think if any coworker said the same to me I too would advise that they not let their kids start playing. Then I'd back it up with a quick tour of the official WoW forums where they can read about how addicted so many people are...

p.s. I just stopped payment on my account for the 2nd time. It's fun, but quickly causes addiction problems that I'd rather avoid.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
coworker of mine said she her thirteen year old son wanted world of warcraft for christmas. i told her that might not be such a great idea.

why not?


why not? It's so insanely addictive it would ruin any kids school grades. Any parent should seriously consider ways to keep their kids from becoming addicted to gaming.

I think if any coworker said the same to me I too would advise that they not let their kids start playing. Then I'd back it up with a quick tour of the official WoW forums where they can read about how addicted so many people are...

p.s. I just stopped payment on my account for the 2nd time. It's fun, but quickly causes addiction problems that I'd rather avoid.

theres this thing called self control. might want to check into it.
parents should be watching what their kids do so and limit game time, not totally deprive the kid of the game.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
coworker of mine said she her thirteen year old son wanted world of warcraft for christmas. i told her that might not be such a great idea.
why not?
why not? It's so insanely addictive it would ruin any kids school grades. Any parent should seriously consider ways to keep their kids from becoming addicted to gaming.

I think if any coworker said the same to me I too would advise that they not let their kids start playing. Then I'd back it up with a quick tour of the official WoW forums where they can read about how addicted so many people are...

p.s. I just stopped payment on my account for the 2nd time. It's fun, but quickly causes addiction problems that I'd rather avoid.

Yet another "I have a problem, so the obvious solution is to punish everyone else who is not me" proponent. :roll:

Admit and deal with your own shortcomings, don't lay blame on the target of your addictions.
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
coworker of mine said she her thirteen year old son wanted world of warcraft for christmas. i told her that might not be such a great idea.
why not?
why not? It's so insanely addictive it would ruin any kids school grades. Any parent should seriously consider ways to keep their kids from becoming addicted to gaming.

I think if any coworker said the same to me I too would advise that they not let their kids start playing. Then I'd back it up with a quick tour of the official WoW forums where they can read about how addicted so many people are...

p.s. I just stopped payment on my account for the 2nd time. It's fun, but quickly causes addiction problems that I'd rather avoid.

Yet another "I have a problem, so the obvious solution is to punish everyone else who is not me" proponent. :roll:

Admit and deal with your own shortcomings, don't lay blame on the target of your addictions.

No, but he has a point. Any caring parent should be watching their kids carefully. It is the parents duty to determine what is right and wrong for their children. There is enough bad and terrible parenting out there that when someone does suggest to remove video games from their kids library everyone jumps on them... It is better to be too strict than to be to loose. Of course, I am not talking the extreme lock your child in a cage type stuff. My parents were hard on me and I can damn well thank them for it.

For instance, my co-worker has kids and was recently divorced. He is a good dad, he limited the time his son and daughter would play video games and this kids left him because their mom would feed them cookies whenever they want, she would buy them new games all the time and never demands any responsibility from them. Well, the shame is that a 15 or 17 year old cannot appreciate a strict parent, instead, they go the parent that lets them do whatever they want. The shame is that when those kids grow up and have kids of their own, they will understand that the mother was a terrible parent and that their father, the one whom they disliked because of his rules was the better parent. In the end, the Dad will have much more respect than the mother in this case.

Good parenting is something of the past it seems, because when a parent finally does take action, people rally up against them and say the parents are unreasonable.

What most people do not understand is that 99% of parents that are strict do it because they love their children and want to see them succeed. Those that let their kids do anything do not love their children, not in the true sense of the word. Parents care about their children and wish no harm, something not understood by most of the young crowd.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
coworker of mine said she her thirteen year old son wanted world of warcraft for christmas. i told her that might not be such a great idea.
why not?
why not? It's so insanely addictive it would ruin any kids school grades. Any parent should seriously consider ways to keep their kids from becoming addicted to gaming.

I think if any coworker said the same to me I too would advise that they not let their kids start playing. Then I'd back it up with a quick tour of the official WoW forums where they can read about how addicted so many people are...

p.s. I just stopped payment on my account for the 2nd time. It's fun, but quickly causes addiction problems that I'd rather avoid.

Yet another "I have a problem, so the obvious solution is to punish everyone else who is not me" proponent. :roll:

Admit and deal with your own shortcomings, don't lay blame on the target of your addictions.

No, but he has a point. Any caring parent should be watching their kids carefully. It is the parents duty to determine what is right and wrong for their children. There is enough bad and terrible parenting out there that when someone does suggest to remove video games from their kids library everyone jumps on them... It is better to be too strict than to be to loose. Of course, I am not talking the extreme lock your child in a cage type stuff. My parents were hard on me and I can damn well thank them for it.

For instance, my co-worker has kids and was recently divorced. He is a good dad, he limited the time his son and daughter would play video games and this kids left him because their mom would feed them cookies whenever they want, she would buy them new games all the time and never demands any responsibility from them. Well, the shame is that a 15 or 17 year old cannot appreciate a strict parent, instead, they go the parent that lets them do whatever they want. The shame is that when those kids grow up and have kids of their own, they will understand that the mother was a terrible parent and that their father, the one whom they disliked because of his rules was the better parent. In the end, the Dad will have much more respect than the mother in this case.

Good parenting is something of the past it seems, because when a parent finally does take action, people rally up against them and say the parents are unreasonable.

What most people do not understand is that 99% of parents that are strict do it because they love their children and want to see them succeed. Those that let their kids do anything do not love their children, not in the true sense of the word. Parents care about their children and wish no harm, something not understood by most of the young crowd.
That's all good, but if you think that's what the above poster was trying to convey with his post, you are one hell of a mind-reader. :shocked: