Has the Republican party lost its way?

[EDoG2K]

What is the Republican party supposed to stand for? I always thought the Republican party was about smaller government, lower taxes, and free market economics.

Seems to me that lately the Republican party has now turned into something completely different. Now the Republican party seems to represent backwards, conservative, preserve the status quo. The Republican party now seems all about super high defense spending for this 'war on terrorism', repealing civil right w/ a "Big Brother" type of mentality, anti-homosexual w/ an extraordinary amount of zeal, horrible environmental policies, unfailing support of big business, and tax cuts for the rich.

Why don't Republicans care at all about the environment, enough to at least be responsible with the sustainability of our natural resources? How about preserving our civil liberties? These are not contradictory to what your party stands for.

Comments? Am I way off base here?

 

[Jhhnn]

The Republicans have been hijacked by the anti-government right, and also, increasingly, by the theocrats. These guys are really scary, and largely responsible for the shift in the Republican party over the last 10-12 years. Tear down the govt and the constitution, establish biblical rule, ultimately bring on Armageddon.

Think I'm paranoid? Read this, then tell me I'm wrong-

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

The Christian Coalition doesn't influence the party anymore, they LEAD the party...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The Republicans have been hijacked by the anti-government right, and also, increasingly, by the theocrats. These guys are really scary, and largely responsible for the shift in the Republican party over the last 10-12 years. Tear down the govt and the constitution, establish biblical rule, ultimately bring on Armageddon.

Think I'm paranoid? Read this, then tell me I'm wrong-

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

The Christian Coalition doesn't influence the party anymore, they LEAD the party...

Hence, the term NeoCons. Not a good thing.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The Republicans have been hijacked by the anti-government right, and also, increasingly, by the theocrats. These guys are really scary, and largely responsible for the shift in the Republican party over the last 10-12 years. Tear down the govt and the constitution, establish biblical rule, ultimately bring on Armageddon.

Think I'm paranoid? Read this, then tell me I'm wrong-

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

The Christian Coalition doesn't influence the party anymore, they LEAD the party...

Hence, the term NeoCons. Not a good thing.

neocon has been around longer than that.

 

[SuperTool]

Republican party has not lost it's deficit running way.

 

[daniel1113]

Who is in control of the Congress and Presidency?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
What is the Republican party supposed to stand for? I always thought the Republican party was about smaller government, lower taxes, and free market economics.

Seems to me that lately the Republican party has now turned into something completely different. Now the Republican party seems to represent backwards, conservative, preserve the status quo. The Republican party now seems all about super high defense spending for this 'war on terrorism', repealing civil right w/ a "Big Brother" type of mentality, anti-homosexual w/ an extraordinary amount of zeal, horrible environmental policies, unfailing support of big business, and tax cuts for the rich.

Why don't Republicans care at all about the environment, enough to at least be responsible with the sustainability of our natural resources? How about preserving our civil liberties? These are not contradictory to what your party stands for.

Comments? Am I way off base here?

No you're not way off base...

But, its not all of them. Our republican governor here in Vermont still holds close to those ideals. In his short first term he's fufilled most of his campaign promises...making our state more hospitable to business by cutting the fat with permit reform, getting our ass in gear on new roads to relieve congestion, secured federal funding for a redevelopment project, started a program to clean up lake Champlain and introduced a plan to shift taxes to luxuries like lottery tickets and off of property and income taxes. He's a good guy, and has restored a lot of my faith in the republican party.

But yeah, DC is a mess.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
What is the Republican party supposed to stand for? I always thought the Republican party was about smaller government, lower taxes, and free market economics. Seems to me that lately the Republican party has now turned into something completely different. Now the Republican party seems to represent backwards, conservative, preserve the status quo. The Republican party now seems all about super high defense spending for this 'war on terrorism', repealing civil right w/ a "Big Brother" type of mentality, anti-homosexual w/ an extraordinary amount of zeal, horrible environmental policies, unfailing support of big business, and tax cuts for the rich. Why don't Republicans care at all about the environment, enough to at least be responsible with the sustainability of our natural resources? How about preserving our civil liberties? These are not contradictory to what your party stands for. Comments? Am I way off base here?

Well put. :beer:

 

[bozack]

unfortunately you are talking about the extremists, which is what the liberal media loves to focus on...

extremist dems like Dave are IMHO just as bad, if not worse as they feel that their socialized Robin Hood systems are better

 

[CaptnKirk]

Saw this happen under Nixon.
The crooks have a way of trying to take over the country as thier own every time they weasle back into power.
It works as a cycle where people forget why they got mad and get duped again.
Takes about a 20 year generation maturation to where the children don't remember what the adults did back then.
Then they become voters - and some become fanatics.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Who is in control of the Congress and Presidency?

Republicans control every facet of government, yet they are out of the mainstream..funny how that works.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Who is in control of the Congress and Presidency?

Republicans control every facet of government, yet they are out of the mainstream..funny how that works.

Yep - me thinks the OP needs to offer the democrats moonie's mirror. Wasn't it me that posted something about how the democrats did a self evaluation and basically admitted they were losing influence back in 1989 and it basically forcast what would happen to it? Yep - that was me I suggest people read 'The Politics of Evasion' and the sequal to that. Seems to me that it is the democrats are still lost in thier "old ways" - which is exactly what 'The Politics of Evasion' addressed.

CkG

 

[Ferocious]

Ron Paul of Texas is one of the few good Republicans remaining.

Most modern Republicans are pathetic. (as are most modern Democrats)

 

[MAW1082]

. . . the people in the cabinet of Bush II are the same people that were in Bush I's cabinet and in Reagan's cabinet. If one wants to further this point, I think you would be able to make a lot of connections between Reagan's cabinet and Nixon's.

There is nothing new going on in the Republican party today that wasn't going on twenty years ago, it's just that today there's a lot more information out there for the electorate to access (via the internet, etc.). The republican party is and always has been a tool of the wealthy and religious right. George Bush II is simply a figurehead who supports the policies and ideals of his cabinet. How else does one explain the election of someone like Ronald Reagan or Arnold Schwarzenegger. These guys are actors, not politicians . . . welcome to the real world.

The Republican party is nothing more than the tool of the economically elite and evangelical right.

In response to your point about the Republican party suddenly becoming overly concerned with terrorism, read something about Nicaragua or many of the other Latin American states the Nixon/Reagan/Bush I labeled as terrorists and whose governments they overthrew.

 

[Zebo]

Huh Lost it's way?

You must go back to T Roosvelt before republicans were my party.

Every single Republican administration since the Hoover administration has managed to get unemployment up in the six percent range. Hell Hoover had 25% that's twenty five not two point five.

You obviosly don't understand they are for the elite and want people "over the barrel" for thier world view and hav'nt read Cheap labor conservatives

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bozack
unfortunately you are talking about the extremists, which is what the liberal media loves to focus on...

extremist dems like Dave are IMHO just as bad, if not worse as they feel that their socialized Robin Hood systems are better

Tally Ho!!!

Robin Hood - Have We Forgotten His Lesson Already?

We live in an age where the heavy hand of hostile takeovers and monopoly looms over governments and businesses.

"[Robin Hood is] a man who, in a barbarous age, and under a complicated tyranny, displayed a spirit of freedom and independence which has endeared him to the common people, whose cause he maintained (for all opposition to tyranny is the cause of the people), and, in spite of the malicious endeavours of pitiful monks, by whom history was consecrated to the crimes and follies of titled ruffians and sainted idiots, to suppress all record of his patriotic exertions and virtuous acts, will render his name immortal."

-Joseph Ritson

However, we do know that Robin's main enemy was the Sheriff of Nottingham, who was notorious for abusing the poor people. Just like there is now, there was a large gap between the rich, noble-born citizens and the lowly peasant class. Peasants could do little when people in positions of power decided to persecute them.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bozack
unfortunately you are talking about the extremists, which is what the liberal media loves to focus on...

extremist dems like Dave are IMHO just as bad, if not worse as they feel that their socialized Robin Hood systems are better

Tally Ho!!!

Robin Hood - Have We Forgotten His Lesson Already?

We live in an age where the heavy hand of hostile takeovers and monopoly looms over governments and businesses.

"[Robin Hood is] a man who, in a barbarous age, and under a complicated tyranny, displayed a spirit of freedom and independence which has endeared him to the common people, whose cause he maintained (for all opposition to tyranny is the cause of the people), and, in spite of the malicious endeavours of pitiful monks, by whom history was consecrated to the crimes and follies of titled ruffians and sainted idiots, to suppress all record of his patriotic exertions and virtuous acts, will render his name immortal."

-Joseph Ritson

However, we do know that Robin's main enemy was the Sheriff of Nottingham, who was notorious for abusing the poor people. Just like there is now, there was a large gap between the rich, noble-born citizens and the lowly peasant class. Peasants could do little when people in positions of power decided to persecute them.

Robin Hood makes me sick....nothing but a thief.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Robin Hood makes me sick....nothing but a thief.

I rather enjoyed Robin Hood as a child, as he represented simple justice; not wealth redistribution, mind you, but justice, that people's money that had been taken unjustly *cough* progressive taxation *cough* could be returned.

It is the wealth redistribution idiots that equate Robin Hood to a shining socialist utopian that piss me off.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
What is the Republican party supposed to stand for? I always thought the Republican party was about smaller government, lower taxes, and free market economics.

Seems to me that lately the Republican party has now turned into something completely different. Now the Republican party seems to represent backwards, conservative, preserve the status quo. The Republican party now seems all about super high defense spending for this 'war on terrorism', repealing civil right w/ a "Big Brother" type of mentality, anti-homosexual w/ an extraordinary amount of zeal, horrible environmental policies, unfailing support of big business, and tax cuts for the rich.

The Republican party is supposed to stand for smaller government and free market economics but in fact it hasn't done anything to get rid of the government agencies that are keeping a strangehold on the economy. Namely the IRS and the Federal Reserve. I don't know about environmental policies but Republicans definately seem to be in favor of Big Brother.

What you and others fail to realize is that both parties endorse statism, just slightly different types. Liberals want statism imposed upon industry in order to re-direct goods and services to "noble" causes. While conservatives want statism relating to the social aspect of people's lives. They are adamantly opposed to drugs, gay marriage etc.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Robin Hood makes me sick....nothing but a thief.

I rather enjoyed Robin Hood as a child, as he represented simple justice; not wealth redistribution, mind you, but justice, that people's money that had been taken unjustly *cough* progressive taxation *cough* could be returned.

It is the wealth redistribution idiots that equate Robin Hood to a shining socialist utopian that piss me off.

He didn't just take from those who did the taxing, mind you; anyone of wealth was fair game.

 

[DoubleL]

No it hasn't lost is way, When you are at war that is all you stand for till that is over and Bush isn't a full conservative but most people knew that when he was running,

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Robin Hood makes me sick....nothing but a thief.

I rather enjoyed Robin Hood as a child, as he represented simple justice; not wealth redistribution, mind you, but justice, that people's money that had been taken unjustly *cough* progressive taxation *cough* could be returned.

It is the wealth redistribution idiots that equate Robin Hood to a shining socialist utopian that piss me off.

He didn't just take from those who did the taxing, mind you; anyone of wealth was fair game.

"anyone of wealth was fair game"

and you have PROOF of this how???

because they aren't even sure of the guy's REAL name.

 

[0roo0roo]

rockefeller republican doesn't exist anymore. its just nanny government, government in your bedroom, everywhere, don't tax but spend like crazy, religion+ government mixing, shifting tax burden off the rich to the middle class these days

No it hasn't lost is way, When you are at war that is all you stand for till that is over and Bush isn't a full conservative but most people knew that when he was running,

so he ran on lies. of course he did, no surprise. just look at the things he said would be states rights during campaign 2000, marajana? gay marraige? now he has ashcroft going after the sick who smoke, and gay marriage amendments to the constitution. he's simply a liar.

 

[ScottyB]

Has the Republican party lost its way?

No, they're still evil.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
rockefeller republican doesn't exist anymore. its just nanny government, government in your bedroom, everywhere, don't tax but spend like crazy, religion+ government mixing, shifting tax burden off the rich to the middle class these days

No it hasn't lost is way, When you are at war that is all you stand for till that is over and Bush isn't a full conservative but most people knew that when he was running,

so he ran on lies. of course he did, no surprise. just look at the things he said would be states rights during campaign 2000, marajana? gay marraige? now he has ashcroft going after the sick who smoke, and gay marriage amendments to the constitution. he's simply a liar.

:beer: