Has Sarah Palin abused her political power? Is a vote for McCain a vote for corruption?

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List
Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it?s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you?ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban?that hadn?t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn?t published until 1998.

Keep the lies coming Dems.

Michelle Malkin link; take with a large grain of salt. She's well known for her hyperbole . You may note her attempt to tie this directly to the Obama/Biden campaign, stating that

the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud

- A blogger posted a comment citing the list on the campaign site. A bit disingenuous, to say the least.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720
That is the right thing to do. No democrat should be in charge of thet investigation that could decide the election. A independant from out of the state should be flown in to head the investigation.

The investigation is already being done by an independent investigator.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List
Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it?s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you?ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban?that hadn?t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn?t published until 1998.

Keep the lies coming Dems.

Michelle Malkin link; take with a large grain of salt. She's well known for her hyperbole . You may note her attempt to tie this directly to the Obama/Biden campaign, stating that

the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud

- A blogger posted a comment citing the list on the campaign site. A bit disingenuous, to say the least.

All that aside... Find me a quote or some kind of attribution where Sarah demanded books to be banned from the Wasilla library. It never happened.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List
Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it?s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you?ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban?that hadn?t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn?t published until 1998.

Keep the lies coming Dems.

Michelle Malkin link; take with a large grain of salt. She's well known for her hyperbole . You may note her attempt to tie this directly to the Obama/Biden campaign, stating that

the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud

- A blogger posted a comment citing the list on the campaign site. A bit disingenuous, to say the least.

All that aside... Find me a quote or some kind of attribution where Sarah demanded books to be banned from the Wasilla library. It never happened.

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List
Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it?s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you?ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban?that hadn?t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn?t published until 1998.

Keep the lies coming Dems.

Michelle Malkin link; take with a large grain of salt. She's well known for her hyperbole . You may note her attempt to tie this directly to the Obama/Biden campaign, stating that

the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud

- A blogger posted a comment citing the list on the campaign site. A bit disingenuous, to say the least.

All that aside... Find me a quote or some kind of attribution where Sarah demanded books to be banned from the Wasilla library. It never happened.

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

Good for that Librarian standing up to that Theocratical Totalitarian Mayor:thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
-snip-
The way you tell it, the only thing with legs is Librariangate.

Meh, librariangate is only gonna have legs with those who wouldn't vote for her anyhow.

I now live in a small town (came here via NYC, Paris, Berlin & London). From time-to-time discussions of "banning" this book or that book comes up here, as I think it does in many others. Sometimes it's the public library, sometimes it's a school library.

Firstly, it isn't really about banning a book in some Nazi fashion. Rather, it's a "if you want it, you have to buy it" thing. Some people don't want public tax money spent on books that are (in their opinion) inappropriate for minors, yet easily accessed by them at a public library.

In mainstream America people acknowlege that not all content is suitable for minors, and people understand that there can be disagreement about what is a suitable expenditure of public/tax funds.

As best I can tell, she only brought up the question, made no demands and no books are specified. If she DID fire the librarian because of a refusal to ban certain books, surely the replacement librarian would have banned them and we'd all know which books were removed. Since we don't, at this point that charge rings hollow.

Fern

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

Good for that Librarian standing up to that Theocratical Totalitarian Mayor:thumbsup:

From your link...

Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

No no no... That was not the question that was asked.

The question was "What would be your response if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?"

That's a very different question. And the context it was asked in was a job interview type setting. What would your response be...

What's more, the librarian served until 1999 and resigned just before SP was re-elected for a second term. If SP wanted to start banning books from the library all she had to do was hire some sychopant librarian and hand her a list of books to remove. THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

The fact that a major news service is twisting the quote to read the way is does is sickening.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
-snip-
The way you tell it, the only thing with legs is Librariangate.

Meh, librariangate is only gonna have legs with those who wouldn't vote for her anyhow.

Fern

It won't effect the Republican base, they're use to this kind of stuff with Cheney, Rockefeller and Agnew.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

No no no... That was not the question that was asked.

The question was "What would be your response if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?"

That's a very different question. And the context it was asked in was a job interview type setting. What would your response be...

What's more, the librarian served until 1999 and resigned just before SP was re-elected for a second term. If SP wanted to start banning books from the library all she had to do was hire some sychopant librarian and hand her a list of books to remove. THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

The fact that a major news service is twisting the quote to read the way is does is sickening.

Your take on it is mind-bogglingly naive. You think when the mayor is asking the librarian if she can remove books, it's an interview question so she knows the librarian is tough enough to handle the intense pressure that comes from running a library? And then went back and asked her two more times? You have to be kidding.

Oh, and she DID in fact send her letters asking for her resignation. Now Palin's excuse was that those letters trying to fire her were just 'loyalty tests'. You know, if that's true in some ways that's even worse. What sort of insane person is running loyalty tests on the town librarian?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

"If the need arose"

Was it Palin that was determining the need, or evaluating what the response in that the community might demand that a book be removed?

The quote does not show that Palin was demanding that a book be removed at all.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

"If the need arose"

Was it Palin that was determining the need, or evaluating what the response in that the community might demand that a book be removed?

The quote does not show that Palin was demanding that a book be removed at all.

She wasn't asking to ban a book, she was just asking to be able to ban books. That's MUCH better.

Give it up guys.

 

[RightIsWrong]

How are the apologist's heads still staying on their shoulders with all of the spinning that is going on here?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

"If the need arose"

Was it Palin that was determining the need, or evaluating what the response in that the community might demand that a book be removed?

The quote does not show that Palin was demanding that a book be removed at all.

She wasn't asking to ban a book, she was just asking to be able to ban books. That's MUCH better.

Give it up guys.

Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.

Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed

Sounds like it was an inquiry regarding policies and procedure.
some one is trying to dig up dirtand has hit bedrock.

If this and "troopergate" is the best that the smears can come up with, then she has smooth sailing. The American public will see through both of these attempts and possibly scorn those that attempted to use it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

"If the need arose"

Was it Palin that was determining the need, or evaluating what the response in that the community might demand that a book be removed?

The quote does not show that Palin was demanding that a book be removed at all.

She wasn't asking to ban a book, she was just asking to be able to ban books. That's MUCH better.

Give it up guys.

Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.

Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed

Sounds like it was an inquiry regarding policies and procedure.
some one is trying to dig up dirtand has hit bedrock.

If this and "troopergate" is the best that the smears can come up with, then she has smooth sailing. The American public will see through both of these attempts and possibly scorn those that attempted to use it.

So then why did she ask her three times about it? What procedure was she trying to clarify... so many times? Was she really that concerned with library book procedure? Come ON man, that's a pretty ridiculous excuse.

What did you expect Palin to say? "Yeah, I'm banning books... whooeee!". Remember when someone said before that Palin has a 'credibility problem'? It's from her trying to say stupid shit like that.

 

[Infohawk]

I don't know yet, but the press should keep investigating despite Republican attempts to characterize any questioning of her past as wrong.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Oh, she only continually pressured the librarian for the ability to ban books. That's MUCH better. The fact that she failed makes it all ok.

Link? Quote?

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

"If the need arose"

Was it Palin that was determining the need, or evaluating what the response in that the community might demand that a book be removed?

The quote does not show that Palin was demanding that a book be removed at all.

She wasn't asking to ban a book, she was just asking to be able to ban books. That's MUCH better.

Give it up guys.

Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head "about understanding and following administration agendas," according to the Frontiersman article.

Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed

Sounds like it was an inquiry regarding policies and procedure.
some one is trying to dig up dirtand has hit bedrock.

If this and "troopergate" is the best that the smears can come up with, then she has smooth sailing. The American public will see through both of these attempts and possibly scorn those that attempted to use it.

Nah the Republican Base will scorn it but the American Public will see a pattern of abuse. Her going after her ex BIL is akin to Bush going after Laura's first Boyfriend because he was a drunk and a Coke Head....wait, bad analogy for Bush.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Find me a quote where she specifically said she wanted books banned from the library.

Then why did she question the librarian three times, fire the librarian, and cause enough commotion to incite a protest outside the library and a possible recall campaign? Don't you find it the least bit unusual that a politician should interrogate a librarian or even concern herself with the town's librarian at all? Why was she asking about how books could be banned from the library?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Find me a quote where she specifically said she wanted books banned from the library.

Then why did she question the librarian three times, fire the librarian, and cause enough commotion to incite a protest outside the library and a possible recall campaign? Don't you find it the least bit unusual that a politician should interrogate a librarian or even concern herself with the town's librarian at all? Why was she asking about how books could be banned from the library?

If a constituent asks about it, then you would expect to inquire about it. That is the responsibility of the elected official.

Why the firing? That is between her, the council and the librarian.
Nowhere does anyone state that the librarian was fired/dismissed because she would not ban a book.

Let the librarian come forward with that charge.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Find me a quote where she specifically said she wanted books banned from the library.

Then why did she question the librarian three times, fire the librarian, and cause enough commotion to incite a protest outside the library and a possible recall campaign? Don't you find it the least bit unusual that a politician should interrogate a librarian or even concern herself with the town's librarian at all? Why was she asking about how books could be banned from the library?

If a constituent asks about it, then you would expect to inquire about it. That is the responsibility of the elected official.

Why the firing? That is between her, the council and the librarian.
Nowhere does anyone state that the librarian was fired/dismissed because she would not ban a book.

Let the librarian come forward with that charge.

It was between them before she was nominated to become VP. It's our right to know if we have some kind of Theocratic Totalitarian running for that office. Hell if she was that would probably play well with the Republican Base or at the very least with other Theocratic Totalitarians like the Ridiculou..err..Religious Right which seems to make up the Republican Base these days

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
-snip-
Don't you find it the least bit unusual that a politician should...even concern herself with the town's librarian at all?

No.

Have none of you ever lived in a small town?

Or if you have, do you have any idea how the government works?

So this is the town's library, that means the librarian is an emplyee under the Mayor. It also means that the Mayor would be communicating with the librarian about budgets, HR policy etc.

It should be rather clear that the mayor position is considered an executive position because they are like the CEO of the town, and all the other aspects (water, sewer, garbage, library, roads etc) are departments under them. Just like in a corporation where the CEO has ultimate authority on personnel for the various departments and their budget and policy etc, the Mayor in a small town has it over the library and other city provided services and departments.

In a small town, when people have complaints they go straight to the mayor. I've done that here (at least before we hired a City Manager, he's who you go to now). It's quite likely when she was elected someone came to her bitching about some book(s) in the library and so she went about checking it out (asking the librarian etc).

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fern

In a small town, when people have complaints they go straight to the mayor. I've done that here (at least before we hired a City Manager, he's who you go to now). It's quite likely when she was elected someone came to her bitching about some book(s) in the library and so she went about checking it out (asking the librarian etc).

Fern

FYI a small town mayor doesn't have the right to violate the First Amendment even if she's Sarah Barracuda.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
If a constituent asks about it, then you would expect to inquire about it. That is the responsibility of the elected official.

No you wouldn't actually.

Just because a single person is apparently interested in a book ban does not mean Palin has to think its a good idea and bring it up with the librarian. In fact since its a public meeting, a constituent in question could have easily come and asked the question on her own, we're not talking about a huge city where an individual is incapable of contacting the head librarian themselves.

In fact, part of the point of being a Representative government is there may be cases where the majority of the voters think something is a good idea, but the Mayor or other Representative realizes it would be a clearly bad idea so they still don't support what is suggested for the good of their constituents.

Bringing the issue up on three separate occasions conveys something other than simply bringing up a question that a constituent had. (Otherwise Palin could let the person know what the librarian had already said when asked about the issue in the past.)

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fern

In a small town, when people have complaints they go straight to the mayor. I've done that here (at least before we hired a City Manager, he's who you go to now). It's quite likely when she was elected someone came to her bitching about some book(s) in the library and so she went about checking it out (asking the librarian etc).

Fern

FYI a small town mayor doesn't have the right to violate the First Amendment even if she's Sarah Barracuda.

It isn't a 1st Amendment issue at all.

What books a library does or doesn't carry is up to their policy.

Like I said earlier, it ain't really banning, it just that if you want it, you pay for it yourself and not with taxpayer money.

And if you don't like the library's choices of books to carry, you're free to excercise your 1st Amendment right and complain about it (whether they don't have what you want, or have stuff you don't want).

Fern