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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
In the past 6 years we have spent $14 trillion perhaps $900 billion of which has gone to the war on terror ($150 billion a year)
Perhaps we should look at the 93% of spending that has not gone to the war on terror before we declare that the war has bankrupted our country.
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Don't worry, we will find something or other to bow to.
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
It does not vanish to nothing. Your love and hate lives on in humanity and all we can hope is that our lives and those we've touched have a positive impact in general.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It does not vanish to nothing. Your love and hate lives on in humanity and all we can hope is that our lives and those we've touched have a positive impact in general.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Some people don't need a god to feel a validation in their lives or the threat of an ominous supreme being meeting out justice once we die as a means to control our behavior in this world. Others, apparently, do. Such is life.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It does not vanish to nothing. Your love and hate lives on in humanity and all we can hope is that our lives and those we've touched have a positive impact in general.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Some people don't need a god to feel a validation in their lives or the threat of an ominous supreme being meeting out justice once we die as a means to control our behavior in this world. Others, apparently, do. Such is life.
Very well said TLC.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It does not vanish to nothing. Your love and hate lives on in humanity and all we can hope is that our lives and those we've touched have a positive impact in general.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Then what are you bothering for? All the love and hate in your life will vanish to nothing when you die, the memories of your life with loved ones moving in time to just another person in the timeline of meaninglessness, you may as well shoot your brains out right now, what's the point otherwise? If you are nothing but cheap chemicals luckily thrown together in a watery husk, nothing has meaning and your only God is an evolved desire to live on some instinctive level like that of an ant trying to scurry away from a magnifying glass.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
What are you all so surprised about? This is the way these people have always won.
Remember, you may have money and technology, but what they have is an invincible tradition, a relentless ideology that keeps turning the gears of never ending war always in their favor.
Someday your money and guns may disappear, but that fire in their hearts will remain unquenched, making them come for you. It's been that way since forever.
The only thing that lasts forever is the truth. Nothing can stand before the Will of God. Is the will of God freedom and justice or is it terror. And don't forget to ask, who is who.
And if there is no God?
Some people don't need a god to feel a validation in their lives or the threat of an ominous supreme being meeting out justice once we die as a means to control our behavior in this world. Others, apparently, do. Such is life.
Very well said TLC.
So did you get the answer to your question?
My figure is a total guess, a high one at that, and is based on the $150 or so billion the DoD asks for every year.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
In the past 6 years we have spent $14 trillion perhaps $900 billion of which has gone to the war on terror ($150 billion a year)
Perhaps we should look at the 93% of spending that has not gone to the war on terror before we declare that the war has bankrupted our country.
I'm curious about where your figures come from. I can assume that the $14T is from the sum of the annual budgets over the last 6/yrs.
But where is this $900B from?
Is that solely from Iraq/Afghanistan funding bills? If so, did you feel that the whole DoHS creation was not in response to 9/11? What about the TSA taking over airport screenings/security? What about the increased budgets to the CIA/FBI/NSA and other alphabet soup agencies? What about the spikes in the cost of oil and the associated costs that go along with that?
There are a ton of ancillary costs that I don't think that you are including in this low-ball total that could be attributed to OBL/AQ.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
My figure is a total guess, a high one at that, and is based on the $150 or so billion the DoD asks for every year.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
In the past 6 years we have spent $14 trillion perhaps $900 billion of which has gone to the war on terror ($150 billion a year)
Perhaps we should look at the 93% of spending that has not gone to the war on terror before we declare that the war has bankrupted our country.
I'm curious about where your figures come from. I can assume that the $14T is from the sum of the annual budgets over the last 6/yrs.
But where is this $900B from?
Is that solely from Iraq/Afghanistan funding bills? If so, did you feel that the whole DoHS creation was not in response to 9/11? What about the TSA taking over airport screenings/security? What about the increased budgets to the CIA/FBI/NSA and other alphabet soup agencies? What about the spikes in the cost of oil and the associated costs that go along with that?
There are a ton of ancillary costs that I don't think that you are including in this low-ball total that could be attributed to OBL/AQ.
A lot of the other stuff you mentioned would have happened without the Iraq or Afghanistan wars.
Or are you suggesting that after 9-11 we should have done nothing and just went about our marry way?
At the outset of the Iraq war, the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion to oust Saddam Hussein, restore order and install a new government.
Five years in, the Pentagon tags the cost of the Iraq war at roughly $600 billion and counting. Joseph E. Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist and critic of the war, pegs the long-term cost at more than $4 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office and other analysts say that $1 trillion to $2 trillion is more realistic, depending on troop levels and on how long the American occupation continues.
The total FY 2009 budget request for the Department of Homeland Security is $50.5 billion in funding; a 7 percent increase over the FY 2008 enacted level excluding emergency funding. The Department?s FY 2009 gross discretionary budget request is $40.7 billion, an increase of 8 percent over the FY 2008 enacted level excluding emergency funding.
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
No progress in Iraq, our dollar is devaluing, people are dying, we are falling into a recession. The terrorists don't even have to fight us, they just have to fight us enough to make sure America stays over there.