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Moonbeam

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Tab: I had these thoughts inspired by a long time forum member CycloWizard

CW: In a world in which this bill can exist,

M: What is the world in which this bill can exist? It is the world of democracy where years and years of bankrupt right wing thinking have gotten a more liberal President and Congress elected. It is a world in which a more intelligent and people interested group has been duly elected by the people to replace a bunch of backward assholes. And now the assholes who have lost control are suddenly demanding revolution.

CW: logic has been abandoned

M: The logic of assholes has been abandoned leaving assholes with the feeling they are all alone and unloved, their testosterone levels at zero and their girly voices squeaking.

CW: and the philosopher has no choice but to become a warrior to fight the threat of force which has been leveraged against him.

M: Look out! The girly men have written their philosophical messages with lipstick on pigs are coming to hit you with their purses

T: With that said, I think he might be right. Obama has gone too far, no? His backroom dealing, socialism, liberalism is destroying this country. He is obviously not listening to our laws, so why should we?

M: Yup, he went too far. He challenged their delusional thinking. He poked a hole in their favorite sex toys and vibrational stimulators. He pulled the plug on their warm blood bath of insular self hate and exposed them to the sun.

You cock suckers lost the election you whinny assholes. Fucking live with it like men you worthless crybaby scum.

Feel how fucking worthless you feel and grow a spine. We have lurched ever so slightly to the left and you've all loaded up your diapers with your stinky poop. Go change them you insignificant little piss ants.
 

jpeyton

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Every member of the US military swears an oath to defend the United States against enemies, foreign and domestic.

Who says they can't decide that the US government is a domestic enemy of the Constitution?
Their commander in chief decides that.

Police officers and military members are trained to be enforcers, not free-thinkers.
 

jpeyton

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This is brilliant, and should be sufficient to shatter this thread into a thousand pieces:

http://christopher-calbat.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/26/4073188-an-article-i-wish-i-would-never-have-to-write-to-those-calling-for-a-civil-war-this-marine-wants-you-to-stop-and-think

By Sgt C USMC

It's been said that the military is always preparing for war. That is true. We prepare for combat every day. We ran 5 miles today to the rifle range and shot nearly 200 rounds a piece at targets and then ran back. However, we also pray for peace. I would love one day to be completely unnecessary. But alas, I am a realist, and I know that day will never come.

The headlines of the last week have reminded me more of glimpsing at the S2 Daily Briefing Sheets while in theater or the Al-Jazeera than the NY Times or the Washington Post. Think about that for a moment, let it sink in.

Before I get into the main premise of this article - I need to make two statements here.
First and foremost , when it comes to the back and forth of who did what to whom and why - I don't give a @!$%#. It doesn't change the action. In life we're judged by our actions, nothing more, nothing less. One of the greatest things of the military is when it comes to an enemy, the politics behind the situation - don't matter in accomplishing that mission. For the military , life is simple in that regard.

Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you've earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.
But this government of ours is a democracy. We vote for our representatives, and they vote in our interests. Sometimes, the votes don't go our way. That's life, better luck next time. Exhaust your legislative options, and then focus on gaining the required votes and/or seats to achieve your desired legislative vote next election time. That's the way things work.

But the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you've usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.

For those of you calling for a civil war, I implore you to stop and think about what you're saying. Look around your neighborhood and your city. Now imagine using that terrain to survive. Imagine dodging semi-automatic rifle fire as you scramble from cover to cover, dragging your wounded child behind you. Imagine the deafening report of a mortar as it strikes the ground a 150 feet in front of you, the overpressure enough to shatter your teeth and perforate an ear drum. Try and envision a Stryker rolling through neighbor's front lawn or a F/A-18 making lazy loops over your head in Close Air Support for the troops in the distance.

Now with that vision in mind, stop by your local Marine Corps base, being they will be the first military units you'd face in an all out 'civil war' . Look at them for a moment, examine their 'work environment' . They're running the track, they're climbing ropes, they're grappelling with each other in mock hand-to-hand combat, and shooting targets while moving in raid lines on a daily basis. Nearly everyone on that base, down to our 'secretaries' has a combat award of one type or another, they've faced some of the most stressful situations on Earth where succumbing to the stress can get you killed, and they flourished.

Now ask yourselves and be honest - when is the last time you've run anything other than late to work, climbed anything other than a flight of stairs, grappelled with anything other than a paper jam, and shot off anything other than your mouth? When's the last time you were in any situation more stressful than a traffic jam?

Now I'm not blaming you for your career choice, not in the least. I can't think of a single job that's not useful in some way or another. I just want you to simply compare and contrast your work environment with ours and ask yourselves "Who is better suited to win this battle ?" We both know the answer here, and if you doubt that answer, look at the results from Fallujah in 2004. Over 1200 of them 'lost' and we 'lost only 28. That's a 'win-ratio' of almost 60-1, and they've been fighting their whole lives.

Put this in another scenario. You and your officemates think your local pro football team sucks , so you put together your own team of the best your company has and challenge them to a game. Even if your team might be good, they're professionals. This is their job. Your job is to answer phones and type on a keyboard. In short, they've forgotten more than you will ever know about football. The result, will be a slaughter for you, and a practice for them. But at least you'll get a chance to sit at home, ice your wounds and say 'whew I never should've done that!'

Not so with combat. The results of combat are far...FAR..more permanent. There are no second chances, no time for regrets, and no do-overs. This is not Call of Duty.

Now I 'd like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can't speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you're no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you're now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I'm not alone.

I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.
Any tea partiers feel like becoming martyrs?
 
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Slew Foot

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In the times of the foudning fathers, blood was blood. You shot up the tyrants who would otherwise run roughshod over your liberties. Nowadays, blood is a metaphor for the democratic process, and you rest assured that if the rights of Americans continue to be trampled, there will be blood in November.
 

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In the times of the foudning fathers, blood was blood. You shot up the tyrants who would otherwise run roughshod over your liberties. Nowadays, blood is a metaphor for the democratic process, and you rest assured that if the rights of Americans continue to be trampled, there will be blood in November.
lmao, nope.
 

nyker96

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lol

a liberal asking for censorship

lol
didn't I say this should stop for both sides? I don't care if you are red/blue/liberal/conservative/independent/tea/coffee/juice. don't come here advocating violence. Political issues be dealt politically not with violence. This is why a democratic government exists in the first place to work out differences in a peaceful manner. We don't use guns just votes.
 

Perknose

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It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

Worst president in the history of our nation. Most divisive president ever. Most harmful president ever. worst president ever.
Christ, spidey, Bush has been gone for over a year, Obama is President now.

Please, try to keep up! :rolleyes:
 

OrByte

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In the times of the foudning fathers, blood was blood. You shot up the tyrants who would otherwise run roughshod over your liberties. Nowadays, blood is a metaphor for the democratic process, and you rest assured that if the rights of Americans continue to be trampled, there will be blood in November.
puuulease.
 

umbrella39

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I had these thoughts inspired by a long time forum member CycloWizard



With that said, I think he might be right. Obama has gone too far, no? His backroom dealing, socialism, liberalism is destroying this country. He is obviously not listening to our laws, so why should we?
Got your keyboard up there, too, along with your head? /snore
 

xj0hnx

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The Military.


Now I wonder who controls the Military right now?
It's a pretty safe bet that there are more guns in civilian hands than there are in the military's, the military just has a lot of really, really big guns.
 

paperfist

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So, is a violent revolution NEEDED? THAT IS THE QUESTION!!?!?!?!
When your leaders don't listen to the majority over and over again something must give.

I find it rather amusing that these politicians condemn violence saying that's not what this country is about. Really? How do they think this country got its start? And if they abhor violence so much why do they send us to die in wars?
 

Patranus

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Political issues be dealt politically not with violence. This is why a democratic government exists in the first place to work out differences in a peaceful manner. We don't use guns just votes.
Tell that to George Washington. LOL.
 

Craig234

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This is a thread of idiocy whether facetious or not. It falls below almost any standards for a political forum.
 

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I don't get it. You have a well established democratic process. Your leader is elected by a variation of popular vote every four years. So why is it that you feel the need for a revolution? It's not as if it's 1984 and you have no way to express your discontent. If what you say is true, and the majority of the population believed that Obama would become a bad president, he would never have been elected. Moreover, isn't the healthcare bill a part of what he campaigned on? So why are you so affronted and so up in arms when he tries and succeeds to pass it as law?

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

Worst president in the history of our nation. Most divisive president ever. Most harmful president ever. worst president ever.
That's what Democrats (and even a lot of Republicans) said about Bush. Calm down. It's not that bad.
 

alchemize

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Tab is either a) trolling or b) has made his once every 6 year flip to the opposite spectrum of politics.
 

MotF Bane

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I don't get it. You have a well established democratic process. Your leader is elected by a variation of popular vote every four years. So why is it that you feel the need for a revolution? It's not as if it's 1984 and you have no way to express your discontent. If what you say is true, and the majority of the population believed that Obama would become a bad president, he would never have been elected. Moreover, isn't the healthcare bill a part of what he campaigned on? So why are you so affronted and so up in arms when he tries and succeeds to pass it as law?
The two main parties have the money and the zombies (I mean the people who will vote D/R no matter who runs. Hitler could be running, and they'd vote for him.) to keep themselves in power. Those same two parties are not good for the country. Some of their members put their personal beliefs ahead of the Constitution, others are just bought and paid for by corporations and/or special interests. Two wars, military bases all over the globe, a sinking economy, reduced civil liberties (i.e. "Patriot" Act), massive and increasing debt, et cetera.

As for Obama, healthcare was in his campaign, but I firmly believe that the economy was more influential to his victory than healthcare, by far. Also, if you look at the healthcare bill that got passed, it's a steaming pile of shit. You must buy healthcare (money for the corporations), if you don't, you get taxed (money for the government). This is nothing like UHC/single-payer.

I'd keep going, but I'm just getting irritated.
 

Jhhnn

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So why is it that you feel the need for a revolution?
Because they can't win by democratic means, and because they're deep in denial about the true nature of America's ills...

They're caught in a mental and emotional prison by their own beliefs and bitterness, whipped into a frenzy of fear by the pundits and prognosticators of the Right. Basically deranged- just the way their leadership plans on keeping them, too...
 

MotF Bane

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Because they can't win by democratic means, and because they're deep in denial about the true nature of America's ills...

They're caught in a mental and emotional prison by their own beliefs and bitterness, whipped into a frenzy of fear by the pundits and prognosticators of the Right. Basically deranged- just the way their leadership plans on keeping them, too...
So you enjoy Congress's dick in your ass, right? Don't mind those civil liberties, you apparently won't miss them anyways.
 

xj0hnx

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Because they can't win by democratic means, and because they're deep in denial about the true nature of America's ills...

They're caught in a mental and emotional prison by their own beliefs and bitterness, whipped into a frenzy of fear by the pundits and prognosticators of the Right. Basically deranged- just the way their leadership plans on keeping them, too...

Sounds just like the loony left during Bush's administration.
 

xj0hnx

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I'm in for it, let's shoot all the Republicans. Perfect agreement there, right?

Ahh, another shining example of the "progressives" and their desire to kill people that don't agree with them. You people are sickening.
 

JEDIYoda

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I had these thoughts inspired by a long time forum member CycloWizard


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Originally Posted by CycloWizard
In a world in which this bill can exist, logic has been abandoned and the philosopher has no choice but to become a warrior to fight the threat of force which has been leveraged against him.

With that said, I think he might be right. Obama has gone too far, no? His backroom dealing, socialism, liberalism is destroying this country. He is obviously not listening to our laws, so why should we?
Quoted for posterity, and further proof of your worthlessness.
 
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