Has obama failed as a leader

Texashiker

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Over the past few days there have been some news articles talking about how obama is set to use executive orders to bypass congress.

Foxnews has an article on this,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...enda-focusing-on-immigration-income-equality/
"The Republican Congress is not going to rubber-stamp the president's agenda,” White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer told “Fox News Sunday." "And the president is not going to sign the Republican Congress' agenda."

Another article,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obama-congress-act-step-officials-article-1.1592230

WASHINGTON — President Obama will tell Congress in his State of the Union address Tuesday to either act or get out of the way, White House officials said Sunday.

“We need to assure the American people that we can get something done, either through Congress or on our own, White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said on CNN.

“If Congress doesn’t act, the President will,” Pfeiffer said in a separate appearance on Fox News.

Why do we even have a congress if the president refuses to work together?

Part of being a team leader is to bring everyone together, and work through our differences to find common ground. With obama it seems there is no common ground. Either do as he says or he will start signing executive orders.

Good leaders do not make threats.
 

DominionSeraph

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Obama could offer chaining women to the kitchen, a return of slavery, titles of hereditary nobility to the wealthy, and a repeal of all environmental laws, and the Republicans in congress would say, "Not unless we get a raise with that, too."
 

Owls

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Over the past few days there have been some news articles talking about how obama is set to use executive orders to bypass congress.

Foxnews has an article on this,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...enda-focusing-on-immigration-income-equality/


Another article,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obama-congress-act-step-officials-article-1.1592230



Why do we even have a congress if the president refuses to work together?

Part of being a team leader is to bring everyone together, and work through our differences to find common ground. With obama it seems there is no common ground. Either do as he says or he will start signing executive orders.

Good leaders do not make threats.

Senate and house republicans have said from the very beginning that they want Obama to be a 1 term president. They have done everything in their power to harm this country and yet you feel compelled to make this post? Obama isn't perfect and I'm personally an independent but given the crazy anti women, anti immigration, anti science, pro religion, and anti common sense the republican platform seems to run on I'm glad that the republicans aren't able to push nonsense through.

Republicans need a thorough shakedown and modernization before they can be taken seriously again.
 

ivwshane

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Yep stupid Obama! I knew he wasn't going to play ball unless it was on his terms when he said he would object to anything the republicans did in order to make them all one term congressmen. Or when he used terms like "Waterloo" when describing opposition to republicans agenda. Or like how several times he negotiated with republicans only to later veto or say he wasnt going to give a yes vote on the deals he made.

Yeah fuck Obama! If he was a real leader he'd be able to get people who negotiate in good faith to agree to at least some of his policies! Instead we've got this bitch of a president who has a jobs bill fixing this nations failing infrastructure sitting on his desk that he refuses to sign!

If he was just the slightest bit competent at his job he wouldn't be pushing congress to pass his already passed ACA bill for the fortieth time!

I'm mean seriously! Fuck Obama! Everyone hates him because he doesn't do shit! It's why he has the lowest approval rating ever for a sitting president! Unlike congress and their average approval rating.

If this piece of shit president would actually work instead of taking 230+ days off he might have been able to accomplish something!


/S


The "S" is for sarcasm for idiots like the OP, who have to be retarded to think the way they do.
 
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glenn1

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He obviously is the nominal leader of the country/head of state and exercises the powers granted to him by the Constitution and via his executive branch subordinates.

However, if by "leader" you mean someone who can influence others to support and accomplish commonly-agreed tasks; then he is obviously failing else he wouldn't need to be announcing a "go it alone" policy.
 

Texashiker

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Yea lets just forget that Bush had 197 after 5 years to Obamas 167.

You seem to forget President Bush led this nation through a rough time after the 9/11 attacks.

It is not fair to say Bush had more executive orders when we had experienced the largest terrorist attack this nation had ever seen.

If you want to go in and remove all of the executive orders issued by Bush that were related to 9/11, then do that and lets discuss total nubmers.
 
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Matt1970

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Senate and house republicans have said from the very beginning that they want Obama to be a 1 term president. They have done everything in their power to harm this country and yet you feel compelled to make this post? Obama isn't perfect and I'm personally an independent but given the crazy anti women, anti immigration, anti science, pro religion, and anti common sense the republican platform seems to run on I'm glad that the republicans aren't able to push nonsense through.

Republicans need a thorough shakedown and modernization before they can be taken seriously again.

If you believe that, you are not an independent.
 

cubby1223

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I think the point is not Republican versus Democrat, but the realization that the "checks and balances" we all grew up believing, is actually an illusion.

Obama has not failed as a leader, either the Supreme Court has failed in not declaring executive orders unconstitutional, or the nation in not amending the constitution limiting the powers of the presidency.
 

kage69

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I don't know the answer to that. I can point to issues that indicate yes and no, so it's debatable to me.

I do know that the GOTP, the party of Boehner, has absolutely no standing or credibility to comment on 'leadership" though. What a joke, as if having Bush doesn't underscore that enough.
 

boomerang

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The answer to the question is that of course he has failed as a leader because he has no qualities of a leader. He has no desire to work with those that don't have the same viewpoint. He gives the concept of working together lip service because it's politically expedient to do so, but there are no actions that support his words. Whether his ego won't allow it, or he is so glaringly partisan in his views is up for interpretation, but regardless, he is convinced that his way is the only way and if you don't want to go along you will be shunned and berated publicly which is as far from a great way to establish mutual trust and respect as you can get.
 

Scarpozzi

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What sucks about being president is that you're basically on call 24/7 from when you take oath to when you leave office. So vacation doesn't mean you're not necessarily working....

Talking about Obama being a failed leader and "how obama is set to use executive orders to bypass congress" is pretty stupid considering past presidents abusing power in the name of Freedom. The Patriot Act is an example of something that was very wrong....
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20999950/...rt-patriot-act-unconstitutional/#.UuZ10xAo6Uk

I don't disagree with it entirely though. I just feel that there needs to be more checks and balances to document how it is being used. Not necessarily the Supreme Court Justices or Congress, but there needs to be some accountability on the tail end.
 

Jimzz

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You seem to forget President Bush lead this nation through a rough time after the 9/11 attacks.

It is not fair to say Bush had more executive orders when we had experienced the largest terrorist attack this nation had ever seen.

If you want to go in and remove all of the executive orders issued by Bush that were related to 9/11, then do that and lets discuss total nubmers.


Really 9/11?

And no his EO's were not because of 9/11, he only had 1 that was directly related to 9/11 and that was 13235. The next one after was Retirement Act waiver then Council on Bioethics and so on.

Could you possible go one day without looking like a idiotic hack?
 

Texashiker

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Really 9/11?

And no his EO's were not because of 9/11, he only had 1 that was directly related to 9/11 and that was 13235. The next one after was Retirement Act waiver then Council on Bioethics and so on.

Could you possible go one day without looking like a idiotic hack?

Are you saying only one EO by Bush was related to 9/11 and the following war?
 

kia75

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Look at how Congress reacted to Syria and tell me that Obama could work with the Republicans in Congress. That's the only time I've every seen Congresscritters do a complete 360 on an issue in a matter of weeks.

Republicans wanted Obama to invade Syria, show Syria who's boss, etc. Then after Syria crossed the line in the sand and it looked like Obama would actually put troops in the ground all the Republicans lost their nerve! Obama shouldn't put us in an unwinnable war, yadda yadda yadda (despite arguing for this action just a few weeks prior). So Obama found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict, and those same congresscritters who now wanted a diplomatic solution now attack Obama for not invading Syria.

Whatever position Obama is in, Republicans make certain they're in the opposite side.
 

Matt1970

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Look at how Congress reacted to Syria and tell me that Obama could work with the Republicans in Congress. That's the only time I've every seen Congresscritters do a complete 360 on an issue in a matter of weeks.

Republicans wanted Obama to invade Syria, show Syria who's boss, etc. Then after Syria crossed the line in the sand and it looked like Obama would actually put troops in the ground all the Republicans lost their nerve! Obama shouldn't put us in an unwinnable war, yadda yadda yadda (despite arguing for this action just a few weeks prior). So Obama found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict, and those same congresscritters who now wanted a diplomatic solution now attack Obama for not invading Syria.

Whatever position Obama is in, Republicans make certain they're in the opposite side.

When did Republicans want to invade Syria? And even if they did, congress did what they should have done and represented the peoples wishes. Obama drew the line in the sand, then had his bluff called. Obama's diplomatic solution was a foot-in-mouth moment by Kerry that Russia ran with.
 
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Look at how Congress reacted to Syria and tell me that Obama could work with the Republicans in Congress. That's the only time I've every seen Congresscritters do a complete 360 on an issue in a matter of weeks.

Republicans wanted Obama to invade Syria, show Syria who's boss, etc. Then after Syria crossed the line in the sand and it looked like Obama would actually put troops in the ground all the Republicans lost their nerve! Obama shouldn't put us in an unwinnable war, yadda yadda yadda (despite arguing for this action just a few weeks prior). So Obama found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict, and those same congresscritters who now wanted a diplomatic solution now attack Obama for not invading Syria.

Whatever position Obama is in, Republicans make certain they're in the opposite side.
Putin found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict...please don't revise history.
 

rudeguy

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Putin found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict...please don't revise history.

The Peace Prize winner was ready to bomb them into oblivion. Well...with a pin prick. But not a small pin prick. He was definitely going to use the full might of the US military. But on a small scale.
 

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Putin found a diplomatic solution that prevented armed conflict...please don't revise history.

Say what you will, OBAMA ran with the solution. Any Republican president would have had America neck deep in blood and guts in Syria. You know that and I know that. Obama's presidency has saved thousands of American lives. Sadly he will never get the credit he rightfully deseves for it.
 
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Say what you will, OBAMA ran with the solution. Any Republican president would have had America neck deep in blood and guts in Syria. You know that and I know that. Obama's presidency has saved thousands of American lives. Sadly he will never get the credit he rightfully deseves for it.
I'll give him credit...credit for drawing his stupid red line and letting Putin make us look like a fool.
 

Jaskalas

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He got us the healthcare we deserve, now he's on a mission for higher energy prices and protections for imported workers who want your job. Win / Win / Win.

This President is rocking. I mean, who needs healthcare, energy, or jobs?
 

rudeguy

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Say what you will, OBAMA ran with the solution. Any Republican president would have had America neck deep in blood and guts in Syria. You know that and I know that. Obama's presidency has saved thousands of American lives. Sadly he will never get the credit he rightfully deseves for it.

Exactly what flavor is the Koolaid?