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Has it ever been proven....

Why does it need to be proven? Blowing red lights increases the chance of an accident, Red light cameras decreases the chance of blowing a red light. If you're stupid enough to blow one, you deserve a ticket anyway.
 
I don't like the idea of them having cameras watching everything I'm donig.

Remember, erosion takes time.
 
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Why does it need to be proven? Blowing red lights increases the chance of an accident, Red light cameras decreases the chance of blowing a red light. If you're stupid enough to blow one, you deserve a ticket anyway.
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No one suggests that running red lights is a good idea, however do these cameras alter behavior? That is the point.
 
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Why does it need to be proven? Blowing red lights increases the chance of an accident, Red light cameras decreases the chance of blowing a red light. If you're stupid enough to blow one, you deserve a ticket anyway.
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What has been proven is that there are many more rear enders at intersections with red light cameras. People know that there is a camera and slam on the binders when the light turns yellow in order to not get caught in the intersection when the light turns red. Thus, my question and my quandry. Do they do more harm than good?

Many of these intersections have been found to have yellow lights that don't last as long as they are supposed to. The problem is that the company that installs and maintains them gets a cut of each ticket.
 
Originally posted by: SammySon
I don't like the idea of them having cameras watching everything I'm donig.

Remember, erosion takes time.
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it only goes off when it sense you ran a red light...

they have these in europe for speed i believe...

now that would really suck...no seeing a cop ahead and slowing down

 
it only goes off when it sense you ran a red light...

they have these in europe for speed i believe...

now that would really suck...no seeing a cop ahead and slowing down
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As I said, erosion takes time...
 
Also, as in L.A. just recently, many of these cameras are set to go off before the light turns red. Revenue, revenue, corruption and lying/cheating companies that sell/install/maintain them.


Edit: No, I have never been caught by a red light camera.
 
doesn't need to be proven. running red light = illegal and it's illegal for very good reasons. if you run a red light you deserve to be fined.
 
Originally posted by: dighn
doesn't need to be proven. running red light = illegal and it's illegal for very good reasons. if you run a red light you deserve to be fined.
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If they cause more accidents than they prevent then they are a bad thing. Besides, the point is that they aren't there to protect you, they are there to provide revenue to the municipality.

 
I thought the opposite has been shown, there are more accidents where red light cameras are installed. I'm pretty sure that it's a combination of people slamming breaks to avoid red lights and the city's shortening of yellow lights to catch more people running red lights(profit++). A significantly large chunk of the revenue from a red light ticket goes to the maker of the camera IIRC, which really makes me wonder.
 
Same argument can be used for the 55 speed limit.

In addition, if a curve was plotted based on accidents vs. speed, i doubt that there is any correlation to setting the limit at 55.
 
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Why does it need to be proven? Blowing red lights increases the chance of an accident, Red light cameras decreases the chance of blowing a red light. If you're stupid enough to blow one, you deserve a ticket anyway.
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What has been proven is that there are many more rear enders at intersections with red light cameras. People know that there is a camera and slam on the binders when the light turns yellow in order to not get caught in the intersection when the light turns red. Thus, my question and my quandry. Do they do more harm than good?

Many of these intersections have been found to have yellow lights that don't last as long as they are supposed to. The problem is that the company that installs and maintains them gets a cut of each ticket.
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Thats pretty twisted.
I don't think many people are conscious of them.. I wasn't.
Possibly because I live in a small city.. I'm not sure if we have them in Canada. Probably in major cities like Toronto, and Montreal..
 
Red Light Camera=Revenue for city, nothing more.

There was a big stink here in San Diego some time back about the red light cameras and they no longer are functional, supposedly. So many people were going to court over tickets issued because of the cameras, and it was established that the yellow lights were indeed being shortened to maximize the potential busts from the cameras. Lockheed Martin was involved in setting up the cameras and got a healthy chunk of every fine, which just added more fuel to the fire....
 
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